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Tribalism is replacing nationalism in politics

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    eternal flame Wrote: Hey guys: I don't want ANYONE on this Forum to be getting into a physical fight. Because if I have to come over there and drag you out by the ears, it will be a sorry day for all of us. You two would have to stand in the corner (eating popcorn) for at least a half an hour. And no giggling.
    EF -- Is that your experience talking?
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    Actually NO --- I just had to babysit a lot when younger. (ha) I also got beat up a bit by a little boy (bully) who used to come over and destroy all my toys, which I treasured. I wasn't allowed to fight back, & just had to watch him destroy my things & walk away. But I vowed if I ever grew up, there would come a day of reckoning. Never happened. The last time I saw that little boy, he was grown up, wearing a toga & riding a tricycle around in the university gym/ coliseum, during Greek Week. I don't know if he graduated or not. BUT I DID, & I still use all of my fighting instincts in Debate & in Politics. And I still love munching popcorn: ) They say it diffuses "aggression." (ha)
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    eternal flame Wrote: Actually NO --- I just had to babysit a lot when younger. (ha) I also got beat up a bit by a little boy (bully) who used to come over and destroy all my toys, which I treasured. I wasn't allowed to fight back, & just had to watch him destroy my things & walk away. But I vowed if I ever grew up, there would come a day of reckoning. Never happened. The last time I saw that little boy, he was grown up, wearing a toga & riding a tricycle around in the university gym/ coliseum, during Greek Week. I don't know if he graduated or not. BUT I DID, & I still use all of my fighting instincts in Debate & in Politics. And I still love munching popcorn: ) They say it diffuses "aggression." (ha)
    Watch out for the Dutch tribe; I have a very strong finger,because it was stuck in a dike and saved Holland.
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    Corn fed! LA, I thing you've been eating out of the same bucket. Your photo doesn't exactly show a hungry, lightweight;) I, on the other hand, swim with the Sharks!
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: But the world has changed. human behavior is changing. Those fights you spoke of in your home town (growing up) where everybody shook hands....that world doesn't exist anymore. The values that you were taught are fading away. And yes, I'm sure you were treated with dignity and respect in those Muslim countries.....but you didn't go there waiving a bible in the air demanding tolerance. You didn't pitch a tent either or make demands.....You respected their ways, laws and customs... and you worked. There was no reason to disrespect you.
    Today,,,,if you were to go back to those same countries things may be different then when you left. Diplomacy was the answer, not anymore.
    Take a look at our own Congress.....today's diplomacy doesn't even (in any way) mirror the diplomacy practiced in the past. How do you rationalize with an idiot?? People make demands today,,,they don't ask or even consider the other guy. The world has changed.
    I saw it immediately after getting out of prison. I was in shock for a couple of months. people had changed sooo much in 15 years. I expected it to be the way it was when I left.......I WAS WRONG
    L.A. Citizen -- Of course you are right about the world changing. Back in the 1950's and 60's America was more egalitarian. I just didn't feel the class and race distinction so much that we feel today. I attribute much of the change to Ronald Reagan who ushered in not only the trickle down Reagonomics philosophy, he also was the catalyst for much of the present hate against government and any programs to help the poor...the "welfare queen". Class distinction and divide took a big leap forward under Reagan. But perhaps also our racial divide. Ronald Reagan was a race baiter.

    Salon, January 11, 2014: The racism at the heart of the Reagan presidency

    You can read about Reagan's race baiting to attract the Wallace voters. I won't cover it here.

    But getting back to your point about diplomacy, I agree it is more difficult today, but does that mean we should give up? It's not an either or proposition. There are still lots of good people in the world that refuse to be intimated by the ruthless authoritarians. They just need to make their voices heard more. I know that's easier said than done, but I won't give in.
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    pgr Wrote: Corn fed! LA, I thing you've been eating out of the same bucket. Your photo doesn't exactly show a hungry, lightweight;) I, on the other hand, swim with the Sharks!
    I would be "TACO FED" my bucket comes with salsa and tortillas......with a little jameson whiskey.....My Dads Irish.
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    Via con Dios and a full belly.
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    pgr Wrote: Corn fed! LA, I thing you've been eating out of the same bucket. Your photo doesn't exactly show a hungry, lightweight;) I, on the other hand, swim with the Sharks!
    I would be "TACO FED" my bucket comes with salsa and tortillas......with a little jameson whiskey.....My Dads Irish.
    PGR,
    I went to a skinnier version pic. I'll be eating celery and carrot sticks for a while...thx
    Schmidt still looks like he'll beat the shit out of me so I'm gonna have to hit the weight pile. I heard about those guys from Montana, they can chew on live bumble bees and be okay.
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    It's the bee pollen that gives 'em strength!
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    Talking about icons and food ---- I hear Lady Liberty can bite nails in half, & breathe fire like a dragon. But, heck, she probably weighs even more than the AstroDome. ---- Hey, maybe you guys could all chip in, and buy her a treadmill?

    Just picked up this newer video for my "namesake" ---- Eternal Flame:
    It vaguely reminds me of the days when I was a ghost writer. (of 200 song lyrics).
    (Looks like they switched the link --- & added some extra video's on this link. Just watch the first one, please: )

    --------ENJOY------------------------- youtu.be/aztY_fpjJeQ

    P.S. you might have to push the "rewind" button at the lower left side of the black screen.
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    nationalism is tribalism. it is simply a level farther away from the self-centered human. family is the closest tribe. in the case of the u.s. the next tribe is racial and/or religious. then comes nation-state. in point of opinion nations-state and religion can switch places depending upon how the self processes agitprop and how said agitprop is presented. imo, this can be seen in shia vs sunni, jew vs muslim/christian (despite how the pharisaical right claims to "support" israel), israeli vs palestinian, hindu vs muslim, hutu vs tutsi...

    etc, etc, etc ad infinitum ad nauseum.

    for all of our "advancements" and social change humans are violent, egotistical, scared little creatures afraid of the dark who cling to anything that makes them feel a part of a larger something offering basic protection from the world and particularly "the other."

    sad.
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    lonely bird Wrote: nationalism is tribalism. it is simply a level farther away from the self-centered human. family is the closest tribe. in the case of the u.s. the next tribe is racial and/or religious. then comes nation-state. in point of opinion nations-state and religion can switch places depending upon how the self processes agitprop and how said agitprop is presented. imo, this can be seen in shia vs sunni, jew vs muslim/christian (despite how the pharisaical right claims to "support" israel), israeli vs palestinian, hindu vs muslim, hutu vs tutsi...

    etc, etc, etc ad infinitum ad nauseum.

    for all of our "advancements" and social change humans are violent, egotistical, scared little creatures afraid of the dark who cling to anything that makes them feel a part of a larger something offering basic protection from the world and particularly "the other."

    sad.
    Lonely, your last para says it all; I guess the "universe" looks at us the same way; we're just a noisy bunch of bacteria; being scared of their own shadows.
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    lonely bird -- Yes you are right. There are several levels of tribalism and allegiances to those tribes, including that "1 percent club" at the top of the totem pole. And they are all driven by fear of the "other", a fear largely based on ignorance. For those at the top, they do fear President Obama's promotion of a more egalitarian society with equality of opportunity for all, which they see as a threat to their life style. What works for them, therefore, is the in-fighting amongst the lower tribes. It doesn't matter the reason, just as long as we are at each others necks. Most often though, as you point out, we are passionately divided politically based on our religious beliefs (or non-beliefs).