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Argyle Now Allows Teachers to Carry on School Grounds.

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  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    In 2013, Texas enacted laws that would allow individual school districts to decide whether or not to allow its teachers to be armed. Districts around Texas are taking advantage of this law. Most recently, Argyle, Texas, a city just 10 minutes away from where I live has allowed some teachers to start carrying guns. They have even thrown up a sign, “Attention: Please be aware that the staff at Argyle ISD are armed and may use whatever force is necessary to protect our students.” The teachers that choose to carry are required to take safety classes, acquire a concealed carry license and undergo a psychological evaluation. Additionally, the names of the teachers that carry guns are not released.

    The 2013 law is obviously a knee-jerk reaction to the Sandy Hook shooting, but is arming extremely underpaid government workers a reasonable solution? Are school shooting commonplace enough that allowing teachers to conceal carry is necessary? Is there a better, more reasonable measure to ensure our children’s safety that doesn’t involving guns in the classroom?

    A handful of other Texas towns are allowing teachers to carry as well, but as far as I can tell, Argyle is the largest of them. The funny thing about it all, all the districts that are allowing teachers to be armed have extremely low violent crime rates. Some haven't had a reported murder in decades. So why do these schools in particular allow their teachers to be armed? And why does Argyle feel that an attack on their school is likely enough to warrant a sign to act as a deterrent?
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Psychological evaluation for a teacher.........that's a joke isn't it? Are they going to locate the sex perverts, malcontents and of course that porno-King and queen that use their pictures of classroom kids distributing in sex circles. How long is it going to take for a teacher to go crazy from all the student pressures and pull out the "UZI" ( oh! I forgot that's for nine year olds).......pull out the 9mm with a 20 round clip. That should take out all the students in the classroom. How often will be evaluations? One and done is not enough. So, what's wrong with this picture? A teacher with a poor character upbringing being picked on their whole life, gets to carry a gun around young students in a school. I'm willing to bet there's a swagger to the step and swinging the hip down the school halls showing......."I'm bad...I'm bad". How long will it take for the smart ones to make fun of this teacher and post hilarious pictures in school and on facebook? Giving teachers guns is just poor and nothing good is going to come out of this action.

    Kids can be cruel and they will not be scared enough to challenge the most deadliest of teacher in the halls. I can see a comedy or movie coming out of this scenario. Gum in the gun barrel, slime on the gun grip, and bullets or gun comes up missing. Oh! the public is going to see how smart children can be and no gun is going to keep them from thinking about how to make fun of this new teachers tool.

    The worst to come out of this, a student will more than likely get shot accidentally and now the media screams for hanging the teacher in the schoolyard. Lawyers....start your engines the race to billions is about to come.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    I agree.

    Time, Sept 16, 2013: Ready, Fire, Aim: The Science Behind Police Shooting Bystanders

    "According to a 2008 RAND Corporation study evaluating the New York Police Department’s firearm training, between 1998 and 2006, the average hit rate during gunfights was just 18 percent. When suspects did not return fire, police officers hit their targets 30 percent of the time.

    The data show what any police officer who has ever been involved in a shooting can tell you–firing accurately in a stressful situation is extremely hard. In an article for TIME last year, Amanda Ripley looked what happens in the brain and body when shots are fired. The brain stem sends out signals that cause blood vessels to constrict and hormones to surge. Studies have shown that eyesight becomes narrower (literally tunnel vision) under such conditions. People who have been in gunfights describe hearing very little and perceieve time slowing down. Amid this chaos, as police officers have to make difficult, split-second decisions, humans can lose motor skills as the body reverts to basic fight or flight instincts.


    Police departments, of course, understand this and put all their officers through rigorous training "to inoculate officers against the stress". But even then they are still bad shots...30 percent hit-the-target rate at best.

    Now knowing this background, does anyone really believe that a teacher is going to be the perfect marksperson and cooly drill a bullet right between the murderer's eyes. It's more likely the children will be screaming and scampering out the door while the teacher caught up in the moment is shooting wildly...just like the New York police accidentally shooting bystanders.

    In the Michael Brown case, with at least 10 shots fired at Brown, it's a wonder that a bystander...maybe a child crossing the road, wasn't mowed down as well.
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    I had a conversation actually a few months back with a 3rd grade teacher, about this very topic. Should teachers be allowed to have guns in the classroom, if properly trained and under volunteer basis, not requirement? Her answer of course was a strong NO. ... I do think that if done perfectly (strenuous and routine testing and training) this could actually work. But that is kind of pie in the sky type thinking.

    Since when is any protocol done perfectly? When it comes to teachers, Zach is right to point out that they are underpaid government workers. And fair to add that being a teacher in and of itself is an extremely stressful job. Adding an element like this really takes away from the inherent idea that school for kids is an open and free social institution. Turns it into something scary. I mean, I understand that school shootings are a more common occurrence these days, but honestly statistically speaking throughout the country its still a very rare thing. ... I wouldn't want to be a kid going into elementary school knowing that Mrs./Mr. whatever has a glock in the drawer, if things get out of hand. Would be terrifying. Adds to this weird, overaction, nerf the world mentality that is, as Zach says 'knee jerk'.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    This is a mistake, plain and simple.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    johnnycee Wrote: This is a mistake, plain and simple.
    Not only that, it shows the intelligence of this country, I give it an "F"; I guess these people who instituted that schould go back to school themselves.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    If there is a direct threat or someone knows of a possible threat becoming real, then the local police are /should be able to handle it, if a particular school feels the need for armed security ,then there are many security companies that could do the job, and in a non-threating appearance, there are also retired law enforcement officers who gladly do the job as long as they keep up their certifications, bottom line is that teachers teach, there is also the fact that a teacher many have a concealed carry permit, in which case no one would know unless the need arose for that particular teacher to respond to a life threating event. But having teachers armed as a matter of course is wrong and sends the wrong message to the kids.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    I would think that the school district authorizing the teacher to carry a gun would provide additionally pay for service rendered. This teacher would have the distinction of volunteering to carry a gun but should be paid differently than teachers that refuse to carry. This sounds like a violation of labor laws, if the school district forces a teacher to carry, but probably is not. I will not be surprised to find these teachers are paid more for carrying a gun.

    With this thought of permitted to carrying a gun brings an additional issue of "Insurance". How is the school district going to be protected from injury or suspect shooting law suits? Is there special insurance riders if a teacher carries a gun? Will the school district foresee a substantial insurance increase as a result of this gun carry action? Insurance companies are quick to recognize underwriting risks and will protect their business. The school district could be ruined rather quickly if a student is harmed by the presence of gun in the school, teacher or not. This knee-jerk moment in attempting to solve a problem is troubling to answering the "what-if's". Maybe the lawyers behind the approval of this permitted gun carry see a future advantage for law suits or investment. Lawyers stand to receive many rewards to this action, so they would be best to promote the passage of this teacher gun carry.

    "Stupid is....that stupid does", however there are some smart sneaky people endorsing this action with an alternative motive. Another thought: does tax payers, nationally, pay to state school districts any extra funding needed to insure teachers that carry guns? I'm concerned about my taxes being used to fund additionally expenses related to a Texas school district authorizing teachers to carry guns. Our Federal taxes do distribute to states supplementing education costs. So, how much more does Texas get in the percentages distributed for national education allowing teachers to carry guns?
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Time to ban this looser!