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Nine year old girls accidently kills instructor at shooting range

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    LA Times, August 26, 2014: Firing range instructor dies after 9-year-old girl shoots him with Uzi

    "An instructor at a shooting range in Arizona died Monday after a 9-year-old girl accidentally shot him in the head with an Uzi he was showing her how to use, the Mohave County Sheriff’s Office said.

    "He was standing next to the girl, instructing her how to use the Uzi, when she pulled the gun’s trigger and the recoil sent the weapon over her head, causing him to be shot, the sheriff’s office said."


    I know we've discussed gun rights and gun safety legislation ad infinitum in this website, mostly after every mass shooting. And I know that nothing I say here is going to change anyone's mind one iota. But let me just ask...is anyone at fault here?

    Who is at fault?

    a. The shooting instructor...he should have known better than to put an Uzi in the hands of a nine year old

    b. The parents for pushing their child to do things beyond her age expectation

    c. The girl for not following the instructions

    d. The gun range for allowing a minor to shoot a gun at their facility

    e. THE NRA for blocking all common sense gun legislation

    f. No one...God acts in mysterious ways

    g. President Obama...if he wasn't in office these gun owners would not have to prepare themselves to fight the "government of tyranny"
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: LA Times, August 26, 2014: Firing range instructor dies after 9-year-old girl shoots him with Uzi

    "An instructor at a shooting range in Arizona died Monday after a 9-year-old girl accidentally shot him in the head with an Uzi he was showing her how to use, the Mohave County Sheriff’s Office said.

    "He was standing next to the girl, instructing her how to use the Uzi, when she pulled the gun’s trigger and the recoil sent the weapon over her head, causing him to be shot, the sheriff’s office said."


    I know we've discussed gun rights and gun safety legislation ad infinitum in this website, mostly after every mass shooting. And I know that nothing I say here is going to change anyone's mind one iota. But let me just ask...is anyone at fault here?

    Who is at fault?

    a. The shooting instructor...he should have known better than to put an Uzi in the hands of a nine year old

    b. The parents for pushing their child to do things beyond her age expectation

    c. The girl for not following the instructions

    d. The gun range for allowing a minor to shoot a gun at their facility

    e. THE NRA for blocking all common sense gun legislation

    f. No one...God acts in mysterious ways

    g. President Obama...if he wasn't in office these gun owners would not have to prepare themselves to fight the "government of tyranny"
    "Scmidt" you're just one step ahead of me; I wanted to write about that also.
    I guess they never learn in this country; first of these parents should be made guilty as an accessory to murder; second that kid has to be re-educated. and never touch a gun again.
    Also again the shooting ranges should get the same rules as "bar's" no one under the age of 18 or 21. Furthermore the targets should not show a "human torso" outline but just the "red and white circle thing" as used for darts. Why always gun training to shoot at "humans" (we've got the military for that, which is bad enough) ? Our cops are also trained the wrong way. But yeah this instructor got his well deserved early retirement. Way too many "gun" nutheads in this country.!! When do the next classes start for 6 year olds to learn to defuse handgrenades?
  • Liberal
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    This is a sick country we all live in for sure!
  • Democrat
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    Except with E ,F, and G, I am in agreement with your list.
  • Independent
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    johnnycee Wrote: Except with E ,F, and G, I am in agreement with your list.
    Sorry J.C. "E" is as "Schmidt" said is the cause of all evil; wake up; little nine year olds should never play with assault weapons, neither should you!!!!!!
  • Democrat
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    Some believe that common sense gun legislation is a total ban, the NRA, which I am a member , has always supported back ground checks but to also include mental health checks, which our current and prior congress's have loathed to change the HIPPA Laws in this matter. Therein lies the problem.
    BTW, I do own semi-automatic rifles and hand guns, although the Military has modeled some of it's weaponry after my hunting and sport rifles, they are not assault rifles as you ascribed to them, is a bolt action single shot rifle with a bayonet attached an assault rifle, certainly, what about if there is no bayonet attached, is it still an assault rifle?
  • Liberal
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    Do you need all these toys (weapons) to protect yourself from the republicans or the Athiests?
  • Democrat
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    I would hold onto all weapons and possibly invest in some new ones..........yes as adult toys. But I would not advise anybody to get rid of their weapon cashes because the way the whinny people are discouraging weapons and promoting demilitarizing the police there has to be someone that is prepared to defend our nation. All those complaining about the big bad police with their superior military weapons and equipment will be the first to run when front doors come down and the terror comes inside. Go ahead and make your voices known to America that you disapprove of police, but you'll be first to complain when those police do not come to your aid. I wouldn't step in to a conflict unless I was prepared and I would not stand aside watching my family, friends and neighbors being attacked by some lunatic or criminal.

    Anyway, who's bright idea was it to demilitarize the police? How is that to be conducted? What does demilitarization mean? Do you take away all weapons and allow only sticks? How do you train those officers? You apparently do not want them know any military tactics in self defense? If anybody has an "INTELLIGENT" idea on how to demilitarize police, than lets see it. This is a challenge if your up to it. Somebodies idea of demilitarization is not everybody's idea, so, be prepared for someone saying your not demilitarizing enough. What do you want those police to do? Be martyrs and stand up to bullets and mayhem without defending themselves? Just watch and record events of criminals attacking innocent people? Be careful for what you ask unless your willing to be police yourself. Dare you to stand up to your demilitarizing principles and lets see how long you survive. Oh, you want to be a martyr and go to waiting 70 virgins in your after life. I get it!

    Granted, a nine year old with an UZI is over-the-top! I had first Remington 22 that I liked loading 14 hollow points at age 7. I had my first shotgun at 8 years old. I have since graduated but in my old aged years, guns are the furthest thing in my mind, however, they are close...... just in case. I fully support GUN CONTROL, but that is because the guns being promoted by manufacture's and the NRA are also over-the-top.


  • Liberal
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    Six people were killed in England last year by guns - six bullets killed Brown in a few secons a few days ago. The US police don't have a problem? A good start to demilitarization would be taking away all their military toys
  • Democrat
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    So PGR, you would advocate dissolving the Second Amendment as it pertains to civilians, demilitarize ? the civil authorities by taking away as you call them their toys, so how would the civil and criminal laws be enforced, especially in this ever increasing rise in lawlessness, you cannot use the European models because they have neither the level of criminality that we in the US must endure, and also the diversity of it's citizens and non-citizens who for the most part are pandered too for political purposes, so my first question still lies unanswered, about the bolt action rifle and now this question I hope you can answer and that would be, who will enforce the civil and criminal Laws?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I just watched the owner of the gun range being interviewed by Chris Hayes. I'll just grab a few lines from the interview.

    The nine year old had successfully fired a few shots in the "single shot" mode, before the instructor switched the gun to full auto and let her shoot again. That's when things went all wrong.

    The parents of the girl had brought her to the range. They had been "training her". And it was on her "bucket list".

    The gun range owner said that there are no government regulations regarding the age of shooters allowed on the range, but they have "common sense" rules that prohibit anyone under 8 years old from being allowed on the range.

    The gun range owner said they will review their rules in consultation with the NRA.

    I was going to rank my list of "who is at fault", but will wait until I hear more facts.

    In the meantime, I thought I would share this tidbit. If you want the whole interview go to MSNBC's Chris Hayes show tonight. They typically don't post those interviews until after the repeat segment is played.
  • Democrat
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    Schmidt, your first four on dead on, whether or not they are in the proper order of sequence is inconsequential. Although I would be hard pressed to not place the parents above the gun range instructor as to fault.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: Some believe that common sense gun legislation is a total ban, the NRA, which I am a member , has always supported back ground checks
    This is not even close to being truthful. The NRA lobbied heavily against background checks after the horrific slaughter in Newtown. The NRA released a statement on 01/24/13 saying that the "NRA does NOT support universal background checks and is not working with Manchin to implement this type of legislation. NRA opposes, and will continue to oppose, universal background checks and registration schemes." I encourage you to fact check things before insisting they are true. It's quite easy to debunk this nonsense with actual facts.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: So PGR, you would advocate dissolving the Second Amendment as it pertains to civilians, demilitarize ?
    Pro gun activists have a very elementary way of reading the second amendment, which reads "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    I'm loathe to ever claim to understand exactly what our founders were envisioning, but what ever happened to reading the first part of this amendment? We used to have militias in this country because we didn't have a standing army. Since we didn't have a standing army then our founders wanted to make sure that 'the people' were able to protect themselves if they needed to. This ideal has now morphed into every wing nut in this country thinking that an 8 year old should be able to own a semi-automatic weapon because it's their God given right to.

    And why don't we hold every other amendment as sacrosanct as we do the second? Why is the first amendment, which guarantees that our government can't get involved in religion, not being enforced? What about the fourth amendment guarantee that prevents our government from spying on its own citizens? The list can go on and on. Why is this singular amendment so important to you while you seem to so easily write off every other one?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I will add a couple more tidbits to Jared's reply to JC.

    Huffington Post: NRA: 'Children Can Have Fun At The Shooting Range'

    "WASHINGTON -- Less than two days after a 9-year-old girl in Arizona accidentally shot and killed a gun range instructor who was showing her how to fire an Uzi, the National Rifle Association on Wednesday touted new ways for children to "have fun" at shooting ranges.

    "The nation's largest gun lobby posted a tweet Wednesday afternoon to its NRA Women account that read "7 Ways Children Can Have Fun at the Shooting Range." The tweet included a link to an article with the same title published on the website of Women's Outdoor News. A little over an hour after posting it, NRA Women deleted the tweet without explanation."


    The Huffington Post article goes on to say that "The Israeli-made submachine gun can fire almost 30 rounds per second, according to the manufacturer."

    30 rounds per second! That seems almost impossible so I checked in Wikipedia. They cite different models, one of which can do 20 rounds per second.

    So whether it is 30 or 20 rounds per second, wouldn't the recoil on that gun be like turning on a fire hose? How possibly could a nine year old girl control something like that? It's insane.

    I'm still working on my "who is at fault" list. But don't drop the NRA.