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It's Blue in Texas

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  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Gov. Perry indicted??????.....where did this come from????? who's kept the secret juice on this media breaking news story?????

    Of course the trendy thing to do is "DENY", and "DENY" and "DENY"! Perry and his advise team will delay and deny as long as they can. The story will break tomorrow with these indictments are trumped up by you know.....the Democrats.

    Stay tune because Rachel Maddow has already released her current news on the subject. I can just say.......wow....and it couldn't happen to a better politician. First Christy, now Perry, who's next Cruz????????????????
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    Just saw this and it's nuts. Two felony counts is nothing to scoff at.

    We must remember that he is innocent until proven guilty, but if convicted on both counts, he is facing a minimum of 7 years in prison.

    Whether he is found innocent or not, it will put a damper on his Presidential bid. Perry has already said he is not seeking re-election for governor this year and will be stepping down in January.

    As for the title of this thread, it is possible that this can be a sign that Texas is turning blue or it could just be that the abusive was too obvious to ignore, even for moderate Republicans. Time will tell.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    If this about that DUI case in 2013 against the County District Atty. then there is no case, she should have resigned, BTW, the Gov. I believe is the only Government official that can fire another elected official, absent a felony conviction.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    The felony is from holding hostage millions to people of Kansas threatening the public official. That is strictly against the law. You can take issue directly with the public official, but you cannot make attacks on citizens to make your case against the public official. I hope Perry goes to prison for 99 years. I know it will not happen, but at least I hope his political career is burnt toast.

    Go Blue........in Texas!
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    Here's Perry on the Indictment:




    "It is outrageous that some would use partisan, political theatrics to rip away at the very fabric of our state's constitution." That's funny; that's exactly what he did, and why he is being indicted in the first place.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    sbfriedman Wrote: Here's Perry on the Indictme




    "It is outrageous that some would use partisan, political theatrics to rip away at the very fabric of our state's constitution." That's funny; that's exactly what he did, and why he is being indicted in the first place.
    How is it political theatrics when the official plead guilty to the DUI and then refused to resigned, which she should have considering now she was a convicted felon, I don't know much about Texas law but in most states a convicted felon cannot hold political office.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    Just to clarify. In Texas your first DWI conviction is a Class B Misdemeanor, your second conviction is a Class A Misdemeanor and your third conviction is considered a 3rd Degree Felony.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Schmidt Wrote: Just to clarify. In Texas your first DWI conviction is a Class B Misdemeanor, your second conviction is a Class A Misdemeanor and your third conviction is considered a 3rd Degree Felony.
    Is that what she plead guilty too, a misdemeanor? does this make her any less of a criminal, could she get into a Law School with a misdemeanor, how about a Police Academy, or even get a low level Security Clearance with Homeland Security, the answer is no, so why should she be held to a lower standard of conduct than those that she has prosecuted, she should resign,period.
  • Center Left
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    O M G,
    You've never made a mistake have you johnnycee ? It would just be a reason for a party to get one more democrat out of office. I wish republicans would find their own site. They could try: racistpeoplewithmoneywhodontcareaboutseniorsorthepooranddontbelieveinglobalwarming.com
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    JC - DINO,
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I don't care if you are a Democrat, Republican, Independent, or a write in, if you are in a law Enforcement Agency, you cannot have a criminal record,period, law enforcement is always held to a higher standard, as it should be, she should have resigned.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    As I have stated so many times before, I am a Independent thinking Democrat who places the good of the country before party politics, I have never been in lock step with any political party or politician, surely you believe having criminals serve in a law Enforcement capacity ,especially in a leadership role is wrong and is not good for the country, does my believing in this make me a DINO.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote:How is it political theatrics when the official plead guilty to the DUI and then refused to resigned, which she should have considering now she was a convicted felon, I don't know much about Texas law but in most states a convicted felon cannot hold political office.
    This is a classic example of an ad hominem attack. This logical fallacy is also known as 'killing the messenger.' Instead of addressing Governor Perry's alleged wrongdoing, you attack someone else and dismiss the charges without taking even one moment to wonder if they are with merit. It doesn't seem to matter to you if Governor Perry possibly committed multiple felonies.
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    johnnycee Wrote: I don't care if you are a Democrat, Republican, Independent, or a write in, if you are in a law Enforcement Agency, you cannot have a criminal record,period, law enforcement is always held to a higher standard, as it should be, she should have resigned.
    In your opinion, does that make what Rick Perry did okay then? Should a governor (red/blue or whatever) be allowed to withhold state funding until any DA that has a DUI quits, even though she by law didn't technically have to in this case? Also remember that money was already earmarked and approved by committee to go to her agency.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Huffington Post, August 17, 2014: Why Rick Perry Will Be Convicted

    "Perry is accused of using his veto authority to coerce a publicly elected official into leaving office. And when the veto threat, and later the actual exercise of the veto didn't work, he may have tried a bit of bribery, which is why he is facing criminal charges.

    "Not because he exercised his constitutional veto authority.

    "First, he used the veto to threaten a public officeholder. This is abuse of the power of his office. Presidents and governors frequently use the possibility of vetoes to change the course of legislation. But that is considerably different than trying to force an elected officeholder to resign. What Perry did, if true, can be politely called blackmail, and, when he sent emissaries to urge Lehmberg to quit even after his veto, he may have indulged in bribery. According to sources close to the grand jury, Perry dispatched two of his staffers and one high-profile Democrat to tell Lehmberg if she left her office the governor would reinstate the PIU budget."


    Read the rest of the article at the above Huffington Post link. If the jurors follow the letter of the law, Rick Perry will be convicted and go to jail. If there are a bunch of Republican loyalists on the jury, then they may play politics, just like Perry. It really depends on the jury. Maybe Perry can bribe or threaten one of more of them as well. This indictment is considerably more serious than a DWI charge.