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  • TJ
    2014-08-14 08:53:12 PM
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    After an incident a few days ago..... there has been much civil unrest in Ferguson, Mo (outside of St. Louis). Police approached 2 young men and told them to get out of the street. There was an argument between one young man and the officer. They got into a dispute. The officer said the young man tried to take his gun. (officer was still in his car at this time). One guy ran away. The other was said to have left right after. The officer got out of his car and pointed his gun towards the guy who had argued. Witnesses say that the guy raised his hands. The officer shot the guy. The guy who was shot was not armed. Many are protesting that it was excessive force by the police. There will need to be much more of an investigation to determine what actually happened. The guy who was shot was left in the street for a very long time. Hours. The father came onto the scene and tried to go to his son. The police kept him away. He asked why there was no ambulance. Many local citizens lost faith in their local police that day. The Governor spoke about this today. He announced that the police would not be doing control of the protesting crowds now. It will be the Highway Patrol. Many said the Gov.'s actions reflect a vote of no confidence in the local police. The officer involved went to the hospital with a swollen head. For his protection, his name hasn't been released. Citizens have protested for the last few nights. The police fired tear gas at the crowds. It's been a main story on the news recently.

    What are your thoughts or opinions ?
    What I would have liked to see done..(?)...... The officer should have shot the guy in the leg and then called for back up and an ambulance. This way nobody dies, no reason for civil unrest, no law suit against the city.
  • Schmidt
    2014-08-14 10:10:54 PM
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    Tony -- Yes we've been discussing this under the Militarization of the Police thread.

    It would seem that there is calm tonight after the State police took over from the city/county police. The state police are intermingling with the crowd. None of the militarization that we saw last night. Hope the calm remains. Chris Hayes of MSNBC is broadcasting from Ferguson tonight. He'll be back live on his late segment.
  • Dutch
    2014-08-14 10:55:36 PM
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    TJ Wrote: After an incident a few days ago..... there has been much civil unrest in Ferguson, Mo (outside of St. Louis). Police approached 2 young men and told them to get out of the street. There was an argument between one young man and the officer. They got into a dispute. The officer said the young man tried to take his gun. (officer was still in his car at this time). One guy ran away. The other was said to have left right after. The officer got out of his car and pointed his gun towards the guy who had argued. Witnesses say that the guy raised his hands. The officer shot the guy. The guy who was shot was not armed. Many are protesting that it was excessive force by the police. There will need to be much more of an investigation to determine what actually happened. The guy who was shot was left in the street for a very long time. Hours. The father came onto the scene and tried to go to his son. The police kept him away. He asked why there was no ambulance. Many local citizens lost faith in their local police that day. The Governor spoke about this today. He announced that the police would not be doing control of the protesting crowds now. It will be the Highway Patrol. Many said the Gov.'s actions reflect a vote of no confidence in the local police. The officer involved went to the hospital with a swollen head. For his protection, his name hasn't been released. Citizens have protested for the last few nights. The police fired tear gas at the crowds. It's been a main story on the news recently.

    What are your thoughts or opinions ?
    What I would have liked to see done..(?)...... The officer should have shot the guy in the leg and then called for back up and an ambulance. This way nobody dies, no reason for civil unrest, no law suit against the city.
    Tony; I said ........should have shot the guy in the leg......... a long time ago when they shot that guy at the outside of the White House; then I had a lot of oposition about my statement. I also said then that they were way too militaristic; everyone denied that at that time. I'm glad that finally people start to see what has happened.
  • L.A. Citizen
    2014-08-15 12:17:40 AM
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    Hey JC


    Wasn't that me who just a couple weeks ago stated that police have morphed into a para-military organization. Dirty ass cops
  • Zach F
    2014-08-15 07:05:07 AM
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Hey JC


    Wasn't that me who just a couple weeks ago stated that police have morphed into a para-military organization. Dirty ass cops
    This would not be an example of cops being "dirty." Dirty implies that that bend or break the laws for personal gain. Extortion, evidence planting, etc. This is more of a series of high stress events getting out of hand over the course of a few days.
  • pr
    2014-08-15 07:50:49 AM
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    This pretty much sums up the USA in just a few paragraphs! I have always said the same thing and agree 100% with the author! http://www.salon.com/2014/08/15/10_ways_racism_killed_michael_brown_and_eric_ga.../
  • AmcmurryFreedom
    2014-08-15 11:24:53 AM
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    However you want to flavor the venom racism, it is as apparent to most people involved in conflict. Police have a saying that to avoid conflict, "you must show overwhelming FORCE". Police often will intimidate and show force, but there are many police professionals that have a keen way of distracting conflict by calm, orderly and sane instructions to people they confront. The problem is that this type of character in police is difficult to train a police force, who come from a variety of backgrounds. For an example, an ex-military special forces who has been train to exhibit force as a means to control situations. Another example, a policeman that has a background from racist family, such as KKK or good ole southern boy upbringing where racism controls the minority population. Now hand them a badge, gun and a police uniform, how do you train these people out of their previous lives? The biggest problem for society is these police have their fingers on the hair-trigger of a weapon or todays' new control weapon "pepper spray". Choke holds, a knee in the side and a 250lb policeman jumping on your back, how do you prevent this from occurring? People protest all the time, but the protests only last as long as the energy continues to protest. People will get tired of yelling and throwing fists in the air and mobilizing "peaceful" protests (what a laugher). Society will continue on track to vent anger and the police will continue to show force, so what will give into humanity?

    People are a long way off from defeating racism in America. Some countries like Norway, Sweden Finland, and much of Europe do resist racism better than America, however, their racism is different. They abhor religion and immigration and attack people based on their desire for a life. This is just like racism, but colored differently. Our Earth as a planet in the universe is as backward socially as the barbarians we come from. Sure we make more money and live longer than before, but we treat others with disrespect, horror, and death. America could care less about children coming across the border escaping terror in their country. America throws people in prison and jail like unused food into trash containers. America spews hateful speech and physical attacks on one another for a selfish opinionated belief that they are better than the other person. Well, America is not alone in this and it is either worse or on pare with other countries. This is a worldly problem and nobody has expressed a cure for how to treat another human being as they may be different from you. It's all racism, however you want to color it. As I have much regard for my state Missouri, I do realize that this state has a horrible past in racism and there are communities in this state that still today show a distinct show of force in preventing people coming together for humanity. A past camping trip to a well visited cave area in central Missouri showed many what a "Crow" hanging on a line means. Look it up and you will see that racism is well pronounced in Missouri and around America (the beautiful).
  • johnnycee
    2014-08-15 01:01:06 PM
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    There is now a store security video being circulated showing both Mr. Brown and his colleague strong arming and assaulting an elderly woman at the store while stealing cigar earlier in the same day, the two were stopped because they fit the flash report of the description of the robbers. It appears that this not so Gentle Giant was quite capable of being violent and probably was a thug.

  • Schmidt
    2014-08-15 05:57:26 PM
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    Maybe...but the police chief also reveled that the alleged theft was a separate incident and had nothing to do with the shooting. The shooting was a result of a confrontation after Brown and his friend were approached for "walking down the middle of the street." No relation to the alleged robbery. The police shooter most likely knew nothing of the robbery that had taken place. It's a red herring.

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/jaywalking
  • L.A. Citizen
    2014-08-15 10:46:50 PM
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    Zach F Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Hey JC


    Wasn't that me who just a couple weeks ago stated that police have morphed into a para-military organization. Dirty ass cops
    This would not be an example of cops being "dirty." Dirty implies that that bend or break the laws for personal gain. Extortion, evidence planting, etc. This is more of a series of high stress events getting out of hand over the course of a few days.
    High stress events that cause them to act under their own authority constitutes a felony. Most citizens aren't aware that all police departments have strict policies regarding behavior. The cover up is the felony..... lm glad this is starting to come out all over the country.....dirty ass cops
  • AmcmurryFreedom
    2014-08-16 10:36:58 AM
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    "The beer is good and people are crazy", a song that always stick to mind when I see the unruly parts that people play like in Ferguson. Mo. Overreaction on both sides ultimately causes conflict. When one side attempts to solve a situation with organized play and cooler action there may be a chance for a resolution. However, in Ferguson, Mo., both sides overreacted, thus the mayhem was initiated.

    We are all children when you think about where we stand in the pecking order of life. A famous quote that many like to use and some dispute if it was ever said, is cataloged in the Library of Congress. It is attributed to Socrates by Plato sometime around 400BC.

    "The children now have luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

    Much of this historical quote proves the people of Ferguson, Mo. are acting like bad children showing no respect for each other and allowing greed, racism and bigotry to allow crime and mayhem to rule their day. Nobody is right and everybody is wrong in this situation. Can their be anything learned from this exercise of people behaving badly?
  • TJ
    2014-08-16 04:46:37 PM
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    Major press conference is on now on CNN. Every time the Gov. gets an angry crowd, he asks Capt. Ron Johnson (Hwy patrol) to come to the microphone. If they didn't have a Captain of color....... I'm not sure what they would do. The Gov. has implemented a curfew from Midnight to 5:00 am. The persons in the crowd yelling out questions are concerned with the pursuit of justice. They are suggesting the person or persons handling the police investigation should be changed. I guess they feel this person is biased towards the police. If you read this soon, tune into CNN or any other station covering this press conference.
  • that guy in Arizona
    2014-08-16 07:46:48 PM
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    I read a few minutes ago that the Governor has now declared a curfew for Ferguson, which is in effect from midnight to 5 a.m.

    No surprise there, but what's REALLY amazing are the actions of the Ferguson police chief, which were enumerated on the Daily Kos this afternoon:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/16/1322091/-Dumbest-Police-Chief-in-America?detail=email#
  • TJ
    2014-08-17 09:00:20 PM
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    that guy,
    Wow, that link showed good information. The local police dept. has only 3 black officers (according to the news - today) What I'm wondering is why the guy was allowed to lay in the street for 4 hours with nobody checking for a pulse or trying to administer CPR ?????? Why was there no ambulance called ????????? No wonder the locals are pissed off. Damned dirty cops. But some would say they are held to a higher standard.....LMAO.....

    "I cried today" was what Capt. Ron Johnson said today in a local church...... This man is getting much respect in this ugly situation. I would not be surprised if he took this ugly event and used it as a way to escalate himself from the highway patrol to a position in politics. Mayor seems like a good idea. I think he would be a powerful speaker at the democratic convention..... Mark my words, this man could take this very bad situation and his new found trust and run for political office.
    Another question...... If Mr. Brown was not armed..... why was he shot multiple times ? He obviously wasn't shooting back. Yes Mr. Brown stole cigars. But in the video I saw on the news. He was rude and impolite but I didn't see him strong arm an old woman (as was previously suggested) I didn't even see him involved with an old woman. Perhaps there's another video out there.
    911 call at 9:01 reporting the theft, 9:04 the guy way dead, even though the cop who shot him didn't know,,,,,
  • pr
    2014-08-18 05:01:22 AM
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    Racism, pure and simple, Tony! You're correct about the state police guy - he's the only one looking good in this whole torrid affair!
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