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    johnnycee Wrote: You chose to believe a DOJ 's scathing report but refuse to believe a Grand Jury's findings. Findings, determinations, decisions as opposed to a report, which is full of, I believes, we think, should be's, could be's, guess's and you chosed which one to believe, kind of like selective reasoning, as I said before if it doesn't fit your preconceived notion then it must be wrong, and you were the one to stray from the original topic and bring up the race issue, which was about a military style of policing, so stay on topic unless you want be unfair and subjective rather fair and objective. The DOJ made an unproven accusation , that is why it is and was called a report, which you, chose to believe , but which has nothing to do with the military style of policing, which is the topic of this thread. P.S. The resignations were politically motivated and you know that .
    Once again you talk out of your arse, JC!

    A Grand Jury's finding, in most cases, is nothing but political maneuvering by the police and prosecuter. I'll take a DOJ finding over ant Grand Jury's finding anything.
    Apparently your knowledge of anatomy is about as informed as your knowledge of police procedures, which is none, same with grand juries and their procedures. Lets say for argument sake the grand jury brought charges against the officer(s) would you still consider their findings nothing more than political maneuvering. Didn't think so, now who is talking out of their butt.
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    Dutch Wrote: P.R. a wasted effort; Jared, T.J. you and I tried, but this guy is a walking mine field. I'm afraid there are plenty like him, so the shoot to kill and bully doctrine will continue as long as the training is Gestapo like. Do not forget J.C. is also a member of the NRA which promotes gun ownership as well the more gun sales the better, totally forgetting that that organization is part of the blame for all the gun killings in this country
    The only effort being wasted is my attempts to show you that the legal system and the enforcement part of the system is not based on here say, facts must presented and proven to further the issue at hand, regardless of what an individual feels what would constitute justice. I don't know what Gestapo training is , never trained under it and I am sure neither did you, so I can't comment on that although since you probably didn't either I can't see how you know about the training methods, oh well, just one more thing you opined about with no knowledge of the subject matter, being a member of the NRA is not the cause of violence in our nation, more people are killed with illegal guns than with legal ones also, more people are killed with handguns than long guns, rifles to the uninformed, but yet the first word out of any anti gun person's mouth is the dreaded AR-!5 semi-automatic rifle, take notice that I said rifle and not assault weapon because it isn't an assault rifle, but to those who oppose the 2nd Amendment facts never mattered, so why start now, Violence is done by the vast majority of criminals who gain their weapons illegally, blaming the NRA is the same as blaming the Auto industry for the thousands killed every year by vehicles or the fork because people are fat. You should try the sugar less kool aid , I hear it taste better.
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    Let's get back on topic.

    The militarization of the police is a very real thing. Mainly because there is a specific program, the 1033 program, that gives military equipment to police forces free of charge. There has been well over $5 billion worth of military equipment given to countless police departments for free, or I should say on the taxpayers dime. A specific military department, the U.S. Defense Logistics Agency Disposition Services, doles out everything from sand bags and blankets to tactical armored vehicles, grenade launchers, watercraft, and military aircraft.

    So to suggest that our police are not becoming militarized shows that certain people are woefully ignorant when it comes to the facts.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: Let's get back on topic.

    The militarization of the police is a very real thing. Mainly because there is a specific program, the 1033 program, that gives military equipment to police forces free of charge. There has been well over $5 billion worth of military equipment given to countless police departments for free, or I should say on the taxpayers dime. A specific military department, the U.S. Defense Logistics Agency Disposition Services, doles out everything from sand bags and blankets to tactical armored vehicles, grenade launchers, watercraft, and military aircraft.

    So to suggest that our police are not becoming militarized shows that certain people are woefully ignorant when it comes to the facts.
    Water craft are necessary to a jurisdiction with extensive waterways, for example , the City of Pittsburgh has 3 major rivers, the city is one of the distressed city's in the State of Pa, they cannot afford to purchasing new water craft, so any water craft that the military is willing to give is most welcome for both the taxpayers of Pittsburgh and the State of Pa. , I agree with you about grenade launchers? but not on armored vehicles, not all but definitely some smaller Humvee's can be used in a urban setting regarding barricaded situations, aircraft, our sate police covers a huge forested and mountainous region from the mid state up to the NY. border, and further west is also mountainous but with large areas of farmlands, they most certainly will welcome any small aircraft from the military to assist them in their duties. Will there be abuses of this system , oh yeah, but lets throw the baby out with bath water either.
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    J.C. johnnycee Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote: Let's get back on topic.

    The militarization of the police is a very real thing. Mainly because there is a specific program, the 1033 program, that gives military equipment to police forces free of charge. There has been well over $5 billion worth of military equipment given to countless police departments for free, or I should say on the taxpayers dime. A specific military department, the U.S. Defense Logistics Agency Disposition Services, doles out everything from sand bags and blankets to tactical armored vehicles, grenade launchers, watercraft, and military aircraft.

    So to suggest that our police are not becoming militarized shows that certain people are woefully ignorant when it comes to the facts.
    Water craft are necessary to a jurisdiction with extensive waterways, for example , the City of Pittsburgh has 3 major rivers, the city is one of the distressed city's in the State of Pa, they cannot afford to purchasing new water craft, so any water craft that the military is willing to give is most welcome for both the taxpayers of Pittsburgh and the State of Pa. , I agree with you about grenade launchers? but not on armored vehicles, not all but definitely some smaller Humvee's can be used in a urban setting regarding barricaded situations, aircraft, our sate police covers a huge forested and mountainous region from the mid state up to the NY. border, and further west is also mountainous but with large areas of farmlands, they most certainly will welcome any small aircraft from the military to assist them in their duties. Will there be abuses of this system , oh yeah, but lets throw the baby out with bath water either.
    J.C. your mindset is typical; Jesus will be proud of you; may be sell him a grenade launcher if you don't want it; or an Apache helicopter to use on Mars; get help fast!! You're an expert at "cover up" and go along with the wrong things. Yes the Gestapo would have been proud of you as well.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    J.C. johnnycee Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote: Let's get back on topic.

    The militarization of the police is a very real thing. Mainly because there is a specific program, the 1033 program, that gives military equipment to police forces free of charge. There has been well over $5 billion worth of military equipment given to countless police departments for free, or I should say on the taxpayers dime. A specific military department, the U.S. Defense Logistics Agency Disposition Services, doles out everything from sand bags and blankets to tactical armored vehicles, grenade launchers, watercraft, and military aircraft.

    So to suggest that our police are not becoming militarized shows that certain people are woefully ignorant when it comes to the facts.
    Water craft are necessary to a jurisdiction with extensive waterways, for example , the City of Pittsburgh has 3 major rivers, the city is one of the distressed city's in the State of Pa, they cannot afford to purchasing new water craft, so any water craft that the military is willing to give is most welcome for both the taxpayers of Pittsburgh and the State of Pa. , I agree with you about grenade launchers? but not on armored vehicles, not all but definitely some smaller Humvee's can be used in a urban setting regarding barricaded situations, aircraft, our sate police covers a huge forested and mountainous region from the mid state up to the NY. border, and further west is also mountainous but with large areas of farmlands, they most certainly will welcome any small aircraft from the military to assist them in their duties. Will there be abuses of this system , oh yeah, but lets throw the baby out with bath water either.
    J.C. your mindset is typical; Jesus will be proud of you; may be sell him a grenade launcher if you don't want it; or an Apache helicopter to use on Mars; get help fast!! You're an expert at "cover up" and go along with the wrong things. Yes the Gestapo would have been proud of you as well.
    No one mentioned apache helicopters but you, I agreed that a having grenade launcher for city cops is both silly and dangerous, and where and what on earth am I covering up, and while your at it, where did you gain your Gestapo training and how much of their tactics have you learned..
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    J.C. johnnycee Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote: Let's get back on topic.

    The militarization of the police is a very real thing. Mainly because there is a specific program, the 1033 program, that gives military equipment to police forces free of charge. There has been well over $5 billion worth of military equipment given to countless police departments for free, or I should say on the taxpayers dime. A specific military department, the U.S. Defense Logistics Agency Disposition Services, doles out everything from sand bags and blankets to tactical armored vehicles, grenade launchers, watercraft, and military aircraft.

    So to suggest that our police are not becoming militarized shows that certain people are woefully ignorant when it comes to the facts.
    Water craft are necessary to a jurisdiction with extensive waterways, for example , the City of Pittsburgh has 3 major rivers, the city is one of the distressed city's in the State of Pa, they cannot afford to purchasing new water craft, so any water craft that the military is willing to give is most welcome for both the taxpayers of Pittsburgh and the State of Pa. , I agree with you about grenade launchers? but not on armored vehicles, not all but definitely some smaller Humvee's can be used in a urban setting regarding barricaded situations, aircraft, our sate police covers a huge forested and mountainous region from the mid state up to the NY. border, and further west is also mountainous but with large areas of farmlands, they most certainly will welcome any small aircraft from the military to assist them in their duties. Will there be abuses of this system , oh yeah, but lets throw the baby out with bath water either.
    J.C. your mindset is typical; Jesus will be proud of you; may be sell him a grenade launcher if you don't want it; or an Apache helicopter to use on Mars; get help fast!! You're an expert at "cover up" and go along with the wrong things. Yes the Gestapo would have been proud of you as well.
    No one mentioned apache helicopters but you, I agreed that a having grenade launcher for city cops is both silly and dangerous, and where and what on earth am I covering up, and while your at it, where did you gain your Gestapo training and how much of their tactics have you learned..
    Sorry to say; I hate the Gestapo mentality; my parents got killed by them; that is another reason that I see as many members see, that the police forces here copied may be unknowingly the Gestapo methods, including the same mentalities which you clearly show in your writings.
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    Dutch , I am truly sorry for what happened to your parents, but there is no Gestapo tactics or methods being employed here in the US, The "Geheime Staatspolizei was formed in 1933 later merged with the SS in 1936, where they employed terror tactics for the killing of any one with questionable loyalties or whom they thought were traitors. I see none of that here, it always seems that using a colorful adjective or a slogan will convince some people of so-called facts that are not true, even using the questionable stats about people being killed by the police in total are not reflective of any mass killing, these gestapo people were of a police state created by the national government party in power at that time , which as we all know as Nazi's, their sole purpose was to subjugate the population to their will by any means possible, again ,this is not going on here, are there heavy handed cops , yes for sure, but they get weeded out sooner or later, but they far from being Gestapo like.
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    johnnycee Wrote: Dutch , I am truly sorry for what happened to your parents, but there is no Gestapo tactics or methods being employed here in the US, The "Geheime Staatspolizei was formed in 1933 later merged with the SS in 1936, where they employed terror tactics for the killing of any one with questionable loyalties or whom they thought were traitors. I see none of that here, it always seems that using a colorful adjective or a slogan will convince some people of so-called facts that are not true, even using the questionable stats about people being killed by the police in total are not reflective of any mass killing, these gestapo people were of a police state created by the national government party in power at that time , which as we all know as Nazi's, their sole purpose was to subjugate the population to their will by any means possible, again ,this is not going on here, are there heavy handed cops , yes for sure, but they get weeded out sooner or later, but they far from being Gestapo like.
    Sure J.C. this is only the beginning ; it all starts with lots of flag waving and impressive uniforms and then the next step and the next etc. It would not take long to reach the same levels as you pointed out. As is clearly evident that certain members of the GOP want to move in that direction just read Eternal's threads that will tell you enough. Again I like to point out check on how they train the police in Sweden and some other countries which have a lot less crime than here and have proper gun control. As well a police who's not trained to shoot on torso and head only like here!!
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    Dutch Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Dutch , I am truly sorry for what happened to your parents, but there is no Gestapo tactics or methods being employed here in the US, The "Geheime Staatspolizei was formed in 1933 later merged with the SS in 1936, where they employed terror tactics for the killing of any one with questionable loyalties or whom they thought were traitors. I see none of that here, it always seems that using a colorful adjective or a slogan will convince some people of so-called facts that are not true, even using the questionable stats about people being killed by the police in total are not reflective of any mass killing, these gestapo people were of a police state created by the national government party in power at that time , which as we all know as Nazi's, their sole purpose was to subjugate the population to their will by any means possible, again ,this is not going on here, are there heavy handed cops , yes for sure, but they get weeded out sooner or later, but they far from being Gestapo like.
    Sure J.C. this is only the beginning ; it all starts with lots of flag waving and impressive uniforms and then the next step and the next etc. It would not take long to reach the same levels as you pointed out. As is clearly evident that certain members of the GOP want to move in that direction just read Eternal's threads that will tell you enough. Again I like to point out check on how they train the police in Sweden and some other countries which have a lot less crime than here and have proper gun control. As well a police who's not trained to shoot on torso and head only like here!!
    Sweden is a nice country but about a tenth the size of the USA, it's government is a monarchy ours is republic form of government, it's population is not as large or diverse as ours nor does it have as many different cultures as ours, there are many other differences as well. And each country has it's own pluses and minuses , it all depends on what you are looking for.
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Dutch , I am truly sorry for what happened to your parents, but there is no Gestapo tactics or methods being employed here in the US, The "Geheime Staatspolizei was formed in 1933 later merged with the SS in 1936, where they employed terror tactics for the killing of any one with questionable loyalties or whom they thought were traitors. I see none of that here, it always seems that using a colorful adjective or a slogan will convince some people of so-called facts that are not true, even using the questionable stats about people being killed by the police in total are not reflective of any mass killing, these gestapo people were of a police state created by the national government party in power at that time , which as we all know as Nazi's, their sole purpose was to subjugate the population to their will by any means possible, again ,this is not going on here, are there heavy handed cops , yes for sure, but they get weeded out sooner or later, but they far from being Gestapo like.
    Sure J.C. this is only the beginning ; it all starts with lots of flag waving and impressive uniforms and then the next step and the next etc. It would not take long to reach the same levels as you pointed out. As is clearly evident that certain members of the GOP want to move in that direction just read Eternal's threads that will tell you enough. Again I like to point out check on how they train the police in Sweden and some other countries which have a lot less crime than here and have proper gun control. As well a police who's not trained to shoot on torso and head only like here!!
    Sweden is a nice country but about a tenth the size of the USA, it's government is a monarchy ours is republic form of government, it's population is not as large or diverse as ours nor does it have as many different cultures as ours, there are many other differences as well. And each country has it's own pluses and minuses , it all depends on what you are looking for.
    J.C. I was talking about the training and mentality; not about the size of the country. You must know by now that the US is as a matter of fact divided in lots of tiny countries; every State here has its own often strange rulings. The arrogance here is that they only run around in circles threading in their own mess but refuse to look at other countries who don't have the same problems as us and analyze that. Certainly those countries do not promote gun ownership like here; which is asking for problems etc.
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    Gun ownership is woven into the very fabric of American culture, the gun violence is mostly done by illegal weapons wielded by unauthorized persons,if you want to curtail the violence one must suspend that portion of the HIPPA that obstructs the background check, legal gun ownership is not the problem, illegal ownership and poor background checks factor heavily into the cycle violence. But that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
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    All these gun owners talk as if the government is trying to take away their guns that may be needed just in case of a civil uprising....WHAT A JOKE. These rednecks aren't going to do shit if the government takes away their guns......Cowards.

    Go get your lawn mower, some Pabst Blue Ribbon, a bag of meth, your lynerd skynerd CD and shut the hell up hill billies.....the only uprising you know is calling Obama a n-word on Fox news.

    Go to Church and pray for Bruce Jenner...SINNERS
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    Okay, this isn't about Militarization but it's another page in the very long book about white officers killing unarmed blacks and the courts saying "It's all good, we see the uniform..... go about your business....sorry to have wasted your time."
    In this case from 2012, the moment became deadly when a car back fired. Sounded like a gun so follow the closest black people then kill them. 60 police cars were involved in the chase. Once stopped, there was no threat to society. Doesn't matter. Over 100 shots (137) were fired including one officer who stood on the hood of a police car and shot 15 times through the windshield / into the 2 new dead persons. Both the man and the woman in the car were shot with 20 bullets each.
    In this country we have tons of guns. most are probably owned by whites but not all of them are. Watch out....... citizens will one day be fed up and justice won't always be handled in a court room where the verdict is known before arriving. Justice may be disbursed by those seeking a chance to right a wrong.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/23/us/cleveland-police-verdict/
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: All these gun owners talk as if the government is trying to take away their guns that may be needed just in case of a civil uprising....WHAT A JOKE. These rednecks aren't going to do shit if the government takes away their guns......Cowards.

    Go get your lawn mower, some Pabst Blue Ribbon, a bag of meth, your lynerd skynerd CD and shut the hell up hill billies.....the only uprising you know is calling Obama a n-word on Fox news.

    Go to Church and pray for Bruce Jenner...SINNERS
    I don't believe the Government is attempting to take away my right to own a gun, but they are attempting to over regulate to the point that it might be too difficult to own a firearm, which of course would not prevent 1 criminal from owning one, also don't dismiss those nut job survivalists, which Pa. is known for quite a few of their encampments in the mountains, they are true misguided zealots which makes them very dangerous.