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    Although I'm not a fan of Rand Paul, even he has come to the conclusion that the police in Ferguson are "too militarized":

    http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/147da34e570116f0

    A lot of the blame for that militarization, unfortunately, is the fault of the Federal government, which passed a law in 1997 called the 1033 program. To date, the Pentagon has donated more than $4 billion in military hardware to local police departments, who actually DON'T NEED MRAP armored vehicles to "protect and serve" their local communities:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/opinion/ferguson-shows-the-risks-of-militarized-policing.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Ar%2C{%222%22%3A%22RI%3A17%22}

    Congressman Hank Johnson (Georgia) has introduced legislation to block further program 1033 distributions, but don't be surprised if it Congress doesn't take any action for a while - they're still too busy suing the President to conduct any business that is actually USEFUL.

    It's encouraging to see that the Missouri Highway Patrol (under orders from Democratic Governor Jay Nixon) has now taken control of law enforcement in Ferguson. The Ferguson police chief is eerily reminiscent of Sheriff Bulll Connor of Alabama, who looked like this in 1963:

    http://www.annotatedmst.com/episodes/teenagewerewolf/bull%20connor.jpg

    If you'd like a lighter look at the news n Ferguson, the Onion is always happy to oblige:

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/tips-for-being-an-unarmed-black-teen,36697/
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    Moyers and Company, February 21, 2015: Where Will the Militarization of American Life Take Us?

    This article was written by Tom Englehardt of Tom Dispatch, but I would have sworn he is a ghost writer for Dutch. If you don't want to read the article, I'll just insert the last paragraph:

    "In sum, we, the people, are ever less in control of anything. The police are increasingly not “ours,” nor are the NSA and its colleague outfits “our” intelligence agencies, nor are the wars we are fighting “our” wars, nor the elections in which we vote “our” elections. This is a country walking back nothing as it heads into a heavily militarized future. In the process, an everyday American world is being brought into existence that, by past standards, will seem extreme indeed. In other words, in the years to come an ever-less recognizable American way of life will quite expectably be setting in the west. Don’t be shocked."

    Familiar words for those that read the many posts in this website.
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    Schmidt Wrote: Moyers and Company, February 21, 2015: Where Will the Militarization of American Life Take Us?

    This article was written by Tom Englehardt of Tom Dispatch, but I would have sworn he is a ghost writer for Dutch. If you don't want to read the article, I'll just insert the last paragraph:

    "In sum, we, the people, are ever less in control of anything. The police are increasingly not “ours,” nor are the NSA and its colleague outfits “our” intelligence agencies, nor are the wars we are fighting “our” wars, nor the elections in which we vote “our” elections. This is a country walking back nothing as it heads into a heavily militarized future. In the process, an everyday American world is being brought into existence that, by past standards, will seem extreme indeed. In other words, in the years to come an ever-less recognizable American way of life will quite expectably be setting in the west. Don’t be shocked."

    Familiar words for those that read the many posts in this website.
    Thanks Schmidt; no I don't have employed "ghost" writers; they likely copied my "threads" my copy rights are infringed; I'll call my lawyer. Want at least a million for the incurred damages. I always thought seeing the "news" here that I was the only one who thought that way.
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    Admit it - you are a member of the Dutch Liberation Movement whose main goal in life is to free civilization from the clutches of religion !
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    Any police agency in this country doesn't represent "we the people" because they represent the "HAVES". Most people don't own homes. The police are always at their worst wherever there's renters (mainly apartments)

    If a bum walks into a donut shop.looking ragged, but has money; if he's refused service he has no recourse....even though he may have the money to pay for his item.
    That same donut shop owner can call the police to which they will remove him from the shop upon request.
    The bum has broken no laws, he's just an undesirable.
    The shop "owner" rules over the "renter" (less fortunate)
    Police are much different in West LA than in South LA. The cop knows that the home owner is usually more active politically (votes) Usually has an education (can identify police abuse)...AND WILL DEFINITELY FILE A COMPLAINT
    The renter will not. Usually working class (poor) uneducated , and has become used to it. The police view the "renter" as "less than".......abuse becomes the norm.
    Now......look at the projects. People pay no rent (section 8) They have no jobs (food stamps and free healthcare) and definitely have no education. The most undesirable part of society. Abuse is rampant.....but so is crime. What do you do?
    This percentage of society cannot be fixed.....Generations of poor, stupid and jobless.
    You have to fix this problem at it's origin. Eliminate poverty. How? Would have to take a socialistic approach...NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
    So what do we do?
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    pgr Wrote: Admit it - you are a member of the Dutch Liberation Movement whose main goal in life is to free civilization from the clutches of religion !
    No PGR; I'm no member of anything except as a member of the "clown's" club of America. ( At least I feel that way) Also I don't want to get rid of "religion" because I "believe" in "life" on Mars and hamburgers, just like L.A.
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Any police agency in this country doesn't represent "we the people" because they represent the "HAVES". Most people don't own homes. The police are always at their worst wherever there's renters (mainly apartments)

    If a bum walks into a donut shop.looking ragged, but has money; if he's refused service he has no recourse....even though he may have the money to pay for his item.
    That same donut shop owner can call the police to which they will remove him from the shop upon request.
    The bum has broken no laws, he's just an undesirable.
    The shop "owner" rules over the "renter" (less fortunate)
    Police are much different in West LA than in South LA. The cop knows that the home owner is usually more active politically (votes) Usually has an education (can identify police abuse)...AND WILL DEFINITELY FILE A COMPLAINT
    The renter will not. Usually working class (poor) uneducated , and has become used to it. The police view the "renter" as "less than".......abuse becomes the norm.
    Now......look at the projects. People pay no rent (section 8) They have no jobs (food stamps and free healthcare) and definitely have no education. The most undesirable part of society. Abuse is rampant.....but so is crime. What do you do?
    This percentage of society cannot be fixed.....Generations of poor, stupid and jobless.
    You have to fix this problem at it's origin. Eliminate poverty. How? Would have to take a socialistic approach...NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
    So what do we do?
    L.A. Citizen -- Yes you are right. Many of us write in this website to be critical of society and in particular what actions Obama is taking or has taken. But as one of my old bosses once told me it's fine to criticize but you damn sure need to have thought out alternative solutions that are better than what we are doing now. I see a lot of criticism here, but fewer solutions that can be practically implemented. We often talk about going back to the root causes of problems, poverty in this case, but the solutions are more difficult to come by. President Obama has preached education and making the "ladders of opportunity" open to everyone, but Republicans see that as a threat and couch it as Obama's wealth redistribution.

    That's nothing new or even specific to Obama. The rich and powerful control the messaging, and many poor people in fact vote against their own economic well being...you've described them more bluntly. And being poor also means you will be denied certain rights because you do not have power. The police look after those that have the power and money.

    Obama's proposed solutions are long term...public education starting at age 4. free community college, low interest student loans, Pell grants, etc. However, with the religious driven elected politicians and public education haters like Louie Gohmert in Congress and state legislatures that decide what laws are passed, you are right...NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

    So what do we do?

    VOTE.
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    Schmidt Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Any police agency in this country doesn't represent "we the people" because they represent the "HAVES". Most people don't own homes. The police are always at their worst wherever there's renters (mainly apartments)

    If a bum walks into a donut shop.looking ragged, but has money; if he's refused service he has no recourse....even though he may have the money to pay for his item.
    That same donut shop owner can call the police to which they will remove him from the shop upon request.
    The bum has broken no laws, he's just an undesirable.
    The shop "owner" rules over the "renter" (less fortunate)
    Police are much different in West LA than in South LA. The cop knows that the home owner is usually more active politically (votes) Usually has an education (can identify police abuse)...AND WILL DEFINITELY FILE A COMPLAINT
    The renter will not. Usually working class (poor) uneducated , and has become used to it. The police view the "renter" as "less than".......abuse becomes the norm.
    Now......look at the projects. People pay no rent (section 8) They have no jobs (food stamps and free healthcare) and definitely have no education. The most undesirable part of society. Abuse is rampant.....but so is crime. What do you do?
    This percentage of society cannot be fixed.....Generations of poor, stupid and jobless.
    You have to fix this problem at it's origin. Eliminate poverty. How? Would have to take a socialistic approach...NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
    So what do we do?
    L.A. Citizen -- Yes you are right. Many of us write in this website to be critical of society and in particular what actions Obama is taking or has taken. But as one of my old bosses once told me it's fine to criticize but you damn sure need to have thought out alternative solutions that are better than what we are doing now. I see a lot of criticism here, but fewer solutions that can be practically implemented. We often talk about going back to the root causes of problems, poverty in this case, but the solutions are more difficult to come by. President Obama has preached education and making the "ladders of opportunity" open to everyone, but Republicans see that as a threat and couch it as Obama's wealth redistribution.

    That's nothing new or even specific to Obama. The rich and powerful control the messaging, and many poor people in fact vote against their own economic well being...you've described them more bluntly. And being poor also means you will be denied certain rights because you do not have power. The police look after those that have the power and money.

    Obama's proposed solutions are long term...public education starting at age 4. free community college, low interest student loans, Pell grants, etc. However, with the religious driven elected politicians and public education haters like Louie Gohmert in Congress and state legislatures that decide what laws are passed, you are right...NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

    So what do we do?

    VOTE.
    Schmidt; yes a correct reply; I like to add: "VOTE" does not work either; here in FL votes are being "bought" May be I'm negative, but look at this site; how many members has it? very few indeed, so how does our message gets out? have a "food" drive does not work either; the only hope is the Koch brothers go skydiving without parachute. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN, or is it "God's will?
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    The Obama Administration is announcing new rules to limit the use of military equipment by our nations police forces. The new rules ban explosive-resistant vehicles with tracked wheels and will also force police to prove why they need to use other military style equipment before deploying them to any streets where there is unrest.

    It's a relatively small first step, but it's better than nothing. We also have to remind ourselves that the President can only do so much without Congressional action reigning in our nations police.

    I'll add the President's speech announcing the new rules after he delivers it later today.
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    Does this mean that you favor a federalization of all Local police under federal guide lines?
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    johnnycee Wrote: Does this mean that you favor a federalization of all Local police under federal guide lines?
    Huh? Where in the world did you come up with that one?

    I want my federal government to stop supplying our nations police forces with military equipment that is meant to be used in war. And I want my federal government to make it harder for a cop to get off scot free after murdering an unarmed citizen for walking while black.
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    Not one cop has ever walked away from murder, whether the deceased was armed or not, walking, running or standing still, do you happen to know of one? Btw, my federal comment was in reference to your suggestion that the President needs to rein in the police, and since the feds only have jurisdiction over federal crimes and you were referencing discussing the State and Local police agencies, and their use of excessive / lethal force, and the feds would be the only means for the president to do what you call rein them in.
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    Won't help much; just saw a police interview about the Texas motorcycle gang killings; This police guy was wearing just about the same uniform as in the military including all the colored code stripes like all our generals. Also the swat teams still run around in army equipment just to intimidate.
    I doubt if they ever will accept a London Bobby uniform and only a night stick. The guy in Ft Myers FL absolutely looks like a Nazi and behaves like it as well
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    johnnycee Wrote: Not one cop has ever walked away from murder, whether the deceased was armed or not, walking, running or standing still, do you happen to know of one?
    You have to be kidding, right? Cops get away with murdering unarmed citizens on a damn near daily basis in this country. All they have to do is say they were scared and all is forgiven.
    johnnycee Wrote: Btw, my federal comment was in reference to your suggestion that the President needs to rein in the police, and since the feds only have jurisdiction over federal crimes and you were referencing discussing the State and Local police agencies, and their use of excessive / lethal force, and the feds would be the only means for the president to do what you call rein them in.
    The Feds have jurisdiction over any and all matters that pertain to our civil and human rights. Having the right to not be shot by a police officer for standing on a corner falls well within that category.
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    Dutch Wrote: Won't help much; just saw a police interview about the Texas motorcycle gang killings; This police guy was wearing just about the same uniform as in the military including all the colored code stripes like all our generals. Also the swat teams still run around in army equipment just to intimidate.
    I doubt if they ever will accept a London Bobby uniform and only a night stick. The guy in Ft Myers FL absolutely looks like a Nazi and behaves like it as well
    I wholly agree not much will change without Congress taking some concrete action, but not allowing cops to use military vehicles and making them explain why they need to use other equipment is better than the status quo. But yes--Congress has to step it up and pass legislation and then enforce the legislation they pass. Cops don't want to give up one iota of the power they have built up throughout this country and it will be a monumental task to reign them in.