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Obama Administration Drawing Up Plans to Bomb Iraq; Decision Due Any Day

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    AMC, There's one major fact that you are missing. In the USA we have freedom of religion.... That doesn't mean people should expect US laws and rights to follow them around the globe. It sure isn't a guarantee outside of our borders. That's why I am sick of paying taxes to save the idiots who act like they are in Nebraska when in fact they are in a Muslim run nation in a Muslim run area of the world. Wake up and smell the lack of personal freedoms.
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    In the meantime we are bombing and dropping food supplies; so where does it end? The not so funny thing is as happens most times ; the US sticks it head into a wasp nest but never thinks about an end result or consequences. How many times do we have to end up with bloody noses?
    Like I've said many times the one's we attack will only get more fanatic. Take as example what is ISIS doing? Because they do not have the means to attack the US directly, they instead attack the Christians and kill them in order to vent their anger against the US. They know we love Christians, so they use that as "bait" to get us angry etc. We fall for that and the story goes on and on. Guess on how this story is going to end (answer: never)
    We started this mess by invading a country which never attacked us; now I saw on the news the question why is NATO or the UN not giving assistance.
    I'll give a simple answer; where was the US when flt 17 was shot down? Why would NATO or the UN get involved at all into a US created wasp nest?
    Is this the start of the demise (like Napoleon) of the domination in the world by the US? Will our fantastic foreign policy come home to roost?
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    Dutch: Has there ever been a total atheistic society , a totally godless culture that had even a modicum of success?
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    JC, of course you are correct; plenty of people who are kind of unsure, or need a mental imaginary help (inferiority complex) need the religion factor to feel better, as well want to belong to the "herd". Actually it originates the same as animals do; they follow the leader, even if the leader makes them all drown. Do not forget "religion" is actually a cover up for shortcomings in this world; just pray, forgive, introduce rules, etc. In the olden days people needed rules; the clergy were then the only educated few; they used their influence on the other human qualities like "power over the people", which is also an animal instinct ( the male will fight the other male to get the "power") Churches and religion "dictate" people on how to think and what to think, which makes life easier for the "believers" ; like everything is "god's will; like Ebola? (doubt it) Thus you are right; plenty of people need religion in one form or another. That this creates wars etc . is forgotten in the equasion. (my religion is better than yours)
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    So if religion/dogma is needed in some form or another to aid in the civilization of a culture from whatever primitive status they were in prior to finding religion/dogma, does not that dogma eventually become the means though which that society fails? It is known as a conundrum, is it not.
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    johnnycee Wrote: So if religion/dogma is needed in some form or another to aid in the civilization of a culture from whatever primitive status they were in prior to finding religion/dogma, does not that dogma eventually become the means though which that society fails? It is known as a conundrum, is it not.
    JC you got the picture; all "needs" which humans produce will have either a positve or negative effect on humanity; it is like producing "plastic" on the one hand a nice product; on the other hand it polutes the environment and may eventually cause another problem for humans. Religion does the same thing; however this game is played without real material, but the mind only; which may in turn "create facts", like war etc.
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    So what is your solution to this chasing the tail problem, either way we end up either isolated or beholden to someone or something, here is a simplified version, it's about medicine; Doctor, I have an ear ache:
    2000 BC-Here eat this root.
    1000 BC That root is heathen, say this prayer.
    1850 That prayer is superstition, drink this potion.
    1940 That potion is a snake oil, swallow this pill
    1983 That pill is ineffective, take this antibiotic
    2004 That antibiotic is artificial, here take this root.

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    J.C. yes you are absolutely right; humans are strange creatures. Related to this thread, why don't people realize that it is in their best interest to take care of themselves and their family; as soon as you get way too much involved in the outside world (as I have because of travels) then you may either think the world is crazy or yourself are crazy. so make the choice. If you think of yourself being nuts take some Prozac or something stronger, or attend church. Anyone's choice. Since I've seen all all religions closeby in this world I got the opinion that indeed caring for others and your family without influence of pushy religions is the "middle" of the road. (averages also in eating, thinking, working etc. is good for humans) You've got only one life to live; make the best of it and try to appreciate it as much as you can, without getting drawn into the "know it alls" of the world.
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: I find it appalling that many blame religion, when in fact it is simple ignorance. Allowing people to believe the faiths they are comfortable with and live a life deep in humanity means they are others opposed to your faiths and work hard to discourage or use genocide to eliminate your species from earth. Humanity does mean total acceptance of other peoples faiths and religion unless that belief is to kill and conduct genocide. The religious sects that prey on religions that are different from theirs are just plain ignorant of their teachings. It has already been disputed that Islam is not a faith of murdering people that are not Islamic. However, many Islamic factions strain verses in the Koran to make false judgment on those that are not Islam. Just like Christianity, many use scriptures to base their ignorant view of other people judging people as a deterrent to their standard way of life.

    It's about accepting people on both sides of the argument and not condemning each other. Religion is not the culprit, it is "IGNORACE". For those who profess religion is the root of all evil..............your all are just as ignorant of humanity accepting all people.
    What about a pedophile? or a serial rapist? that's where your position is headed. What compels me to accept anything or anyone?
    "Accepting all people" that's why the world is the way it is......way too much tolerance.\

    RELIGION is the foundation of all evil. All religions. It amazes me that some of you can actually rationalize your beliefs from post to post.....WOW
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    Wow, The Pope got his face also on the news ; he was disturbed by what is happening in Iraq. Kind of a huge hypocrite! Guess who is responsible to convert (since the Catholic church started) people to belief in the BS he preaches from a human written novel? So I guess he is the real culprit. The catholic church can better keep its mooth shut; they are champions in murder, extorsion, slave labor, rape, money laundering etc. They even murdered Jews in Palestine; then murdered the Templars who did the dirty work for them. Like I said many times religion is only something between the ears, which does not belong there, because it is brought there by indoctrination only. If you preach hard and long enough people start believing; just like Fox news.
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    Bombing Iraq......
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    TJ Wrote: Bombing Iraq......
    So what else is new? Guess who is making money of this!!
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    Right now likely there will be more airstrikes and food drops; I just wonder about the cost of this exercise; I guess it was not planned in the "budget".
    However the best solution is to present this bill to the Bush, Cheney, Rove families; they've got money enough as well do not feel guilty.
    Furthermore the total stupidity to have a 5000 men (6 football fields) Embassy as well a huge Consulate in the North of Iraq; disolve those, that saves some money as well; absolutely NUTS. Fire some of the hundreds of generals as well!!!
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    The turmoil in Iraq has taken another dramatic turn after Fouad Massoumof, the newly minted President of Iraq, named a new Prime Minister. Massoumof named fellow Shiite politician Haider al-Abadi. a relative unknown political figure, to be the next Prime Minister. The move effectively ended the reign of Nouri al-Maliki, who has been the Prime Minister of Iraq since 2006. The United States fully backed the move and the State Department released a statement supporting the move.

    Al-Maliki is not going quietly and has called militias loyal to him to fight the move. He has refused to concede power and insists the President acted illegally and unconstitutionally by naming al-Abadi after the deadline of Sunday evening. Iraqi's highest court has issued conflicting rulings on the move, which only exacerbates the crises.

    These next few days should be interesting as Iraq tries to form a new government.