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Obama Administration Drawing Up Plans to Bomb Iraq; Decision Due Any Day

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The Associated Press reported today that the Obama Administration is seriously considering airstrikes Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Iraq (ISIS) and may announce its plans any day. The airstrikes would be conducted in the northern part of the country and designed to push back the ISIS, who has rapidly been taking over large swaths of the country. This would mark a dramatic escalation of American forces since their departure in 2011. It would also force President Obama to go back on his oft repeated promise that American forces are done in Iraq and it is up to the Iraqi's to figure out their future.

    I honestly don't know what to think about these recent developments. On one hand, I sympathize with Iraqi's being terrorized by this fundamentalist group who are wreaking havoc throughout the entire country. It is our government's fault that they are in this situation and part of me feels that we are responsible to do what we can to protect the innocent Iraqi civilians who's lives are now hell because of our governments actions. On the other hand, I'm tired of war. I'm tired of always resorting to bombing a country when we don't know what else to do. War isn't a sport and we really need to take a long, hard look at things before we head back into a country that wants nothing to do with us anymore.

    Should we bomb Iraq in the name of a humanitarian operation? Or should we just stay out of it and let the Iraqi's work this out themselves without our help? It may seem easy to answer either way, but both responses have a plethora of unknown results that we won't be able to address until they happen. I'm often reminded of Colin Powell's famous quote when I think about Iraq: "If you break it, you own it." Those prophetic words are continuing to haunt us to this day.
  • Democrat
    Oregon
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    I would like to help them, if I knew it would actually help and if they actually wanted our help.

    It is terrible to think of all the bad stuff happening that probably wouldn't be happening if we hadn't invdaded after 9/11. I just wish we could help and they ( along with the rest of the world ) would want us to help.
  • Independent
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    Sometimes I wonder if the "big fist fest" might not be the only solution. Wipe-out. Biblical grand-scale every living thing. And let nature start over again -- but then I realize that's no longer possible. The big fists came five times prior and even with 80% of speciation extincted, rejuvenation, resurgence, renaissance could happen.

    But weren't no man 'round the place back then.
    Now, clean-slate a realm and the same shit of chaos would no doubt invade (kicked up a notch) by immigration and insurgency in duet-cacophony and carnage..
    Or, the alternative to avoid such demographic recidivism would be radiation poisoning of everything so that no one could move back in and re-create trouble.

    Actually, considering the history of mankind, (and someone's statistical study a few years ago), the world has been more peaceful since the end of WW II than at any prior point of time. Think ancient history, Japan's shogunates, China's warring divisions, Europe's mass-mayhem of Vikings and then Protestant v. Catholic
    massacres and on and on.
    Now we have little regions of skirsmish after the big events of WW I and especially II with its "twin-screen" projection (European and Pacific theaters). We're immersed (if not submerged) in media coverage of everything on the planet (and beyond) now -- and I think it's not the objects of concern but the subjective being overwhelmed (and this includes newscast repetitiousness of mal-events) so that it seems these are the ever-encroaching end-times nearing Armageddon.

    My research reveals the opposite. Things have gotten better than they were before -- with the exception of climate change and species extinctions
    Thus, maybe Israel/Palestine has to be accepted as a "given" based on a "taken" and it's their problem as long as we keep it contained. For if we intervene other than multi-sectarian smack-down (scorched-earth total wipeout) will we be just adding our fuel to their fire? Likely both sides? Like we did with Iran and Iraq both in their war.

    Big bucks in weaponry.
    Find the world situation troubling?
    Buy stock in military-industrial industries!!
  • Center Left
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    So far, all we have officially done is drop food. And water. And supplies. U.S. airdrops food aid to Iraqis trapped after fleeing militants

    I personally can't stomach the idea of adding bombs, again, to that list. But, like Jared, I understand it's not necessarily that easy.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    President Obama spoke to the nation from the White House tonight and said he has ordered limited and targeted airstrikes in northern Iraq, but insisted that we will not be getting dragged back into the ongoing conflict in the country.

    You can watch his full statement below:

  • Independent
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    sbfriedman Wrote: So far, all we have officially done is drop food. And water. And supplies. U.S. airdrops food aid to Iraqis trapped after fleeing militants

    I personally can't stomach the idea of adding bombs, again, to that list. But, like Jared, I understand it's not necessarily that easy.
    I read that they dropped water containers without a parachute; at least they got a long awaited shower; our intelligent army I guess.
    At least better than bombs.
  • Independent
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    Jared you are a bit late; I wrote yesterday already about that ( under US foreign policies) : WE WIIL NEVER LEARN

    I guess our leaders do not realize that there are at least 4 or more entities in Iraq; adding the fifth (us) will make the mess only bigger.

    Haven't we spent already trillions and half a million Iraqi death and 6000 dead US soldiers on this unruly country? When are we going to learn that we can not run/rule the whole world? Are we Napolean? Seeing blind? Again this will backfire into our face. Wake up America; we only promote the hate against us a bit more.

    The latest stupidity; Washington considers airstrikes in Iraq!! Why because "christians" are being cornered by ISIS and are prosecuted. There was a demonstration by fanatic christians in Washington. The stupidity gets bigger all the time. Regardless of whom runs Iraq these indoctrinated by the west christians will always be in the minority and procecuted in a mostly Moslim country. Thus if the US wants to change that balance, I wish them luck; the hatred against us will only increase and the country will likely get into even bigger turmoil or fanatism. How many lives did our fantastic war cost? do we have to kill some more? What will be the result. ZERO!! Like I said Obama has the wrong advisors!! ( 999 generals and the war industry?)
    In a religious war no one wins!!!

    Obama approved the airstrikes; I wish him luck
    ( His ratings will drop even more; love those generals; McCain can add some more money to his lobby account) Just looked at CNN; it is very clear that the Pentagon runs this country; not Obama.
  • Democrat
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    Question? Should we stand by and watch these Ethnic Cleansings, Clinton's Administration couldn't stand by nor should we now stand by, whether or not it's religious, political, gender or even tribal, we cannot in all good conscience allow this to happen if we have the means to delay or eliminate this threat, these people trapped on a mountain awaiting a ritual slaughter by these ISSIS fanatics should not be ignored, however if we do choose to ignore these people would that not enable and even embolden these terrorists to proceed even further?
  • Liberal
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    johnnycee Wrote: Question? Should we stand by and watch these Ethnic Cleansings, Clinton's Administration couldn't stand by nor should we now stand by, whether or not it's religious, political, gender or even tribal, we cannot in all good conscience allow this to happen if we have the means to delay or eliminate this threat, these people trapped on a mountain awaiting a ritual slaughter by these ISSIS fanatics should not be ignored, however if we do choose to ignore these people would that not enable and even embolden these terrorists to proceed even further?
    I agree with you personally, but our opinions don't hold any weight. What we perceive to be right and wrong doesn't matter. We are not from there. We don't understand the culture....nor should we...... let them finally have an outcome from the insanity they've created.

    We have 50,000 plus veterans here missing limbs and a government led VA health care system that shows just how much they care. As people from this country....lets focus on that for once.

    That entire region still lives in the stone age by their own choosing. let them finally have at it. History has shown us that it will never change no matter what we do.
  • Center Left
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    I was just watching CNN. Apparently it's not about the Shiite or Sunni or even the Kurds. Not about ISIS (Okay partly about ISIS because they are a pain in the ass and they are threatening Christians). It's the 200,000 Christians in Iraq. Over 100,000 are displaced because ISIS wants them to convert to Islam or die. Who knew it was about religion and not even a religion of those who were the obvious players. Sorry to say this but Dutch you called it many times in the past. Maybe we should talk to the UN and see about getting them their own homeland. Maybe next to GAZA. Maybe South Dakota as a home for all displaced Christians.
    This is not the USA !!!!!!! Christians should stay out of militant Islamic countries because it too expensive (lives and money/debt) to save them.
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: I was just watching CNN. Apparently it's not about the Shiite or Sunni or even the Kurds. Not about ISIS (Okay partly about ISIS because they are a pain in the ass and they are threatening Christians). It's the 200,000 Christians in Iraq. Over 100,000 are displaced because ISIS wants them to convert to Islam or die. Who knew it was about religion and not even a religion of those who were the obvious players. Sorry to say this but Dutch you called it many times in the past. Maybe we should talk to the UN and see about getting them their own homeland. Maybe next to GAZA. Maybe South Dakota as a home for all displaced Christians.
    This is not the USA !!!!!!! Christians should stay out of militant Islamic countries because it too expensive (lives and money/debt) to save them.
    Tony, I'm so glad that you are around; at least you see clearly where the problem lies. This world is so simple; if religion, as well as the have and have not's would not be an issue, then I guess there would be less wars. Sorry I repeat; religion is the curse of humanity. However some religions keep their "cool" right now like Buddism. I find it so strange that the whole world actually beliefs in the same thing and that is, we did not make the human race ourselves; but yeah maybe it came together by pure accident. So what are we fighting for? Justice for all? I doubt it.
  • Independent
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    Most of those who fled Sinjar are from the minority Yazidi sect, which melds parts of ancient Zoroastrianism with Christianity and Islam. They are considered by the al-Qaeda-inspired Islamic State to be devil worshippers and apostates.

    I doubt if they would receive much of a welcome in the United States.
  • Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: Question? Should we stand by and watch these Ethnic Cleansings, Clinton's Administration couldn't stand by nor should we now stand by, whether or not it's religious, political, gender or even tribal, we cannot in all good conscience allow this to happen if we have the means to delay or eliminate this threat, these people trapped on a mountain awaiting a ritual slaughter by these ISSIS fanatics should not be ignored, however if we do choose to ignore these people would that not enable and even embolden these terrorists to proceed even further?
    I find it interesting that we primarily help victims of ethnic cleansing only in countries that have a substance we want. Where is our 100,000+ troop deployment to African nations?
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I also find that fact interesting, but for whatever reason we intervene it always a good thing, saving lives is always a good thing.
  • Democrat
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    I find it appalling that many blame religion, when in fact it is simple ignorance. Allowing people to believe the faiths they are comfortable with and live a life deep in humanity means they are others opposed to your faiths and work hard to discourage or use genocide to eliminate your species from earth. Humanity does mean total acceptance of other peoples faiths and religion unless that belief is to kill and conduct genocide. The religious sects that prey on religions that are different from theirs are just plain ignorant of their teachings. It has already been disputed that Islam is not a faith of murdering people that are not Islamic. However, many Islamic factions strain verses in the Koran to make false judgment on those that are not Islam. Just like Christianity, many use scriptures to base their ignorant view of other people judging people as a deterrent to their standard way of life.

    It's about accepting people on both sides of the argument and not condemning each other. Religion is not the culprit, it is "IGNORACE". For those who profess religion is the root of all evil..............your all are just as ignorant of humanity accepting all people.