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Impeach Obama? Majority of Republicans Say 'Yes'

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Now that the House of Representatives has voted to give Speaker Boehner the ability to sue President Obama, the next question on many peoples minds is if this is the precursor to impeachment proceedings or an attempt by the House leadership to pacify the far right wing of the party by giving them something without going down the disastrous path of trying to remove the President from office. Recent polls show that a clear majority of Republicans want to see President Obama impeached, but a clear majority of the American public does not. Will Boehner be able to avoid a self inflicted wound or will he pander to his base and pursue impeachment?

    I'm conflicted on this issue because any sane person who has a general understanding of the way our Government works would understand that it would be political suicide for Republicans to try to remove the President from office. While I have next to zero respect for John Boehner and the House leadership, I have to think they are smarter than than going down that path. Forcibly removing a President from office has never happened in our nations history and that is because our founders made it very difficult to do so. Nixon would have been the first had he not resigned in disgrace before the full House voted to send his impeachment to the Senate. Boehner and his team has to know that there is zero chance of getting two thirds of the Senate to remove the President, so I truly think that all this impeachment talk is a smoke screen. It gets the base excited, but most adults in the room know it's going nowhere.

    The problem with having faith that our friends in the House wouldn't dare go down that road is that they constantly prove me wrong whenever I think an adult will step up and take charge. Boehner has been unable to control his caucus since day one and is constantly beholden to the extreme right wing of the party. While Boehner has tried to swat away impeachment talk, he still refuses to say it's 'off the table.' Steve Scalise, the newly minted House Majority Whip, recently said that Obama is a lawless President and refused to answer a direct question from conservative host Chris Wallace about whether the House will move to impeach the President. And multiple rank and file Republicans both in and out of government have been pushing for Obama's impeachment since early 2009. Would it really be that surprising if Boehner finally caves and allows the House to go down that path?

    Talk of impeaching the President has always been a tried and true way to rile up the base of either party. Many Democrats wanted to file articles of impeachment against President Bush, but Nancy Pelosi definitively ruled that off the table. This is in stark contrast to Speaker Boehner who skirts the issue and refuses to put his foot down.

    What does everything think? Do you think that the House will go down the path of no return and try to impeach the President? Will their hatred of the President cloud their judgement to the point of committing political suicide and possibly never winning another Presidential election for the foreseeable future? Or will some adult finally stand up and get control of this out of control Republican party?
  • Liberal
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    Yes they will! They have no shame and only think of their "base". Most, if not all of their base, is only interested in having all their fears about a semi-black man in power being proved correct. It has nothing at all to do with politics, really, it's nothing but pure racism. Obama is no Progressive he is simply a moderate Republican who happens to have born with the wrong skin color and was born twenty years to late to be consider a "Republican" today.
  • Center Left
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    I think it's far from pure racism. The GOP was keen on impeaching the last Democratic President as well. There have been 2 impeachments in all of US history and the were both extremely politically motivated and neither of them resulted in removal of office. It is more likely that the GOP is just blowing off steam with the impeachment talks, but their base is seems to be very much behind the idea.

    I'm not exactly sure on what grounds they would impeach Obama as many of the impeachment cries seem to be more of a "don't agree with him, let's impeach."

    Yes PGR, I imagine that some people are racist, and their bigoted feelings towards Obama is their motivation, but I doubt that is the majority of the base.
  • Liberal
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    Most people are idiots and fools when it comes to politics. They vote for whomever tells them what they want to hear and never investigate the facts. Your typical old white American is as racist as they come, xenophobic, self centered, religious dimwit end followers. Like it or not, believe it or not the fact is the only reason that Obama is hated so much by old, white, Christians is his race. He is a typical Republican Centrist, hardly a Progressive and a pretty poor Liberal at that. Most of the people who hate him so such don't even know or understand the real reasons and, like you, would deney it was racism to the end. Many of these people are the so called "Christians" who also believe the poor are poor because God made them that way and they are being punished by him. Zach, you of all people, live in one of the most bigoted areas of the country and must deal with these types on a constant, daily basis - what makes you so blind to the reality?
  • Center Left
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    You have a very narrow, stereotypical view of the South it seems. We do have racial issues that crop up but it's not nearly and prevalent as you imply.

    Obama's foreign policy and homeland security policies can be called conservative, but nearly all of his social policies are liberal. Gay marriage, abortion, marijuana, immigration, healthcare, education, etc. He can hardly be considered Conservative Centrist. Republicans have plenty of other reasons to dislike other than his race. I'm not saying that there aren't people who hate Obama because they are racist, I'm just saying it's no where near the majority of the base that does.
  • Liberal
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    I've experienced enough about the South to know it's the cesspool of the USA, mentally, morally and politically, by those in power. i.e. - the Conservative, Christian, Republicans and today Texas is one of the main feeder pipes into that cesspool. Facts is facts! Sorry it's your home state but if even you can't see that then there is NO HOPE for Texas, much less the USA!
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    There are so many factors involved in all this hatred. I guess there would be a FEW (I can't guess how many) who are doing it for pure racist reasons, but our whole political process is "Polarized" right now: Right against Left. Republican against Democrat.

    It is more about "ideology" in my point of view. The Right wing (GOP & JBS & Tea Party) have been steadily 'brain-washed' for 56 years, to HATE all liberals. They were told we were "commies" and "atheists" and "anti-Christ" & "unAmerican" & everything evil you can name. It is all Bulloney, of course, but how often do you hear an honest DEBATE about all that? And even if you PROVED in a valid debate that we were actually the Party most like the Founding Fathers, do you think they would ACCEPT those FACTS? (absolutely not).

    You know, of course, that the Founding Fathers were predominantly LIBERALS? (It is a trait of true intellectuals).

    By the way, this morning I heard from reliable sources, that Sarah Palin is going to have her own TV network?? It is created to be in collaboration with Glenn Beck's & other right-wing cronies networks. This ought to be "amusing."

    Also, the false dichotomy is being set up that GOP are "Christian" (& therefore godly) & that Democrats are somehow less godly, no matter what church we go to. It is too complex to explain right now, but it is truly SCAREY. These megachurches of the Far Right are all doing some extreme brain-washing to "robotize" their members, so they are totally isolated from rational thought or beliefs, so they will blindly follow their Christian counselors & preachers, who they worship as gods.

    Their church members are taught to "home-school" all their kids, & never let them near a real "public" school, where they might be taught Truth & Facts, but they must be continuously indoctrinated with the radical fascist agenda, leading to a society that is dominated by strict dogmatic Males, & women must be suppressed, like in the medieval ages.

    It has all been set up, for financial factors to cause economic turmoil, & this will lead to GOP gaining total control -- & their CHURCH will takeover the US Govt, leading to Puritanical disciplinary actions, like in the Salem Witch trials.

    Secret religious orgns (no cameras allowed, people entering church are searched) where they deliver these messages, & no women are allowed, either). It is a "political COUP" -- where Fascist forces in ultra right-wing churches, have brain-washed millions of people to vote for Fascist candidates, who will not hesitate to reverse history, & take us all back to the good old days of the Middle Ages.

    THESE IDEAS are explained further in a Great Book (New York Times BESTSELLER), I am reading, called:

    "AMERICAN FASCISTS" - "The Christian Right & the WAR on America." Author: Chris Hedges. [2006] Free Press, N.Y.
  • Democrat
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    The international community must be shocked at how criminally dysfunctional the U.S. Government has become and they know that this can be disastrous for their own nations.
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    I forgot to mention that Ted Cruz is a front-runner of the GOP, in the upcoming elections, favored by the Tea Party. His father is some kind of right-wing preacher who taught Ted that he is "anointed by God" to be the leader of the United States.

    The megachurches will all robotically support the "anointed one" at election time, & the Nightmare will begin as was described in the book I am reading about "Fascists in America, the Christian Right and the WAR on America." Imagine a society gone backward to the Medieval Era, with ministers holding power over the people, & could "punish them" in the name of God. These people are ignorant & brain-washed to give up all their rights and let the Church lead them in everything. It is a Male dominated society & women are to be subservient & not to work outside the home.

    Husbands are to rule with an iron fist, & to suppress women who are too frail to resist evil temptations, without his help. Women are to be on the floor scrubbing most of the time, while Men are out doing God's Work, which is ruling the planet from his limousine & private jets. Just imagine the Founding Fathers if they could see this travesty unfolding... In order for this scenario to succeed, America must be submerged in some horrible catastrophe -- like an environmental disaster, or a Great War, or maybe a cataclysmic financial upheaval. Like going off the cliff? You can NOW imagine WHY the right wing WANTS all these disasters to occur. It is their ROUTE to TOTAL CONTROL -- (ie) VAST unlimited POWER.
  • Liberal
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    I know I'm embarrassed to admit I'm an American!
  • Center Left
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    pgr,
    Your above posts are 100% correct. I think more than partisan politics is the racism angle. Those words that so many think but will never be publicly spoken, are the reason they won't work with the POTUS. I'm sorry to say your views on the south mirror my opinions as well. The only southern states I would consider (moving to) are both North and South Carolina, Northern California....perhaps Tennessee.., well that's it.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Jared:


    You're absolutely correct about the fact the majority of the Republicans in this country favor the impeachment of Obama. According to a survey for CNN conducted by ORC International, 57% of registered Republicans favor impeachment, which is exactly the same percentage that a FOX "news" survey found:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/25/1316636/-Republicans-want-to-impeach-Obama-pretty-much-everyone-else-disagrees#

    More importantly, there actually ARE members of the House of Representative who favor impeachment. That list includes Representative Steve Scalise (the House Majority Whip) , Representative Steve King, Representative Michele Bachmann, Representative Steve Stockman, and Representative Louie Gohmert.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2014/07/29/republicans-deny-gunning-impeachment-roundup-impeachment-talk-speaks.html

    As confirmed by a recent column of The New York Times, the South Dakota Republican Party passed a resolution calling for impeachment at their annual convention this year, and it's possible that other states may do the same, even though impeachment proceedings can only be started at the Federal level by the House of Representatives.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/opinion/gail-collins-none-dare-call-it-impeachment.html


    The Tea Party branch of the Republican Party, of course, denies that it's true. This morning's column by Chip Wood (of the Personal Liberty Digest) is titled" Democrats Make Millions Lying About Impeachment":

    http://personalliberty.com/democrats-make-millions-lying-impeachment/

    Chip Wood IS correct about one thing, and that is the fact that talk of impeachment (and even the lawsuit against Obama) will be very good news for the Democratic Party during the mid-term elections.
  • Independent
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: Jared:


    You're absolutely correct about the fact the majority of the Republicans in this country favor the impeachment of Obama. According to a survey for CNN conducted by ORC International, 57% of registered Republicans favor impeachment, which is exactly the same percentage that a FOX "news" survey found:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/25/1316636/-Republicans-want-to-impeach-Obama-pretty-much-everyone-else-disagrees#

    More importantly, there actually ARE members of the House of Representative who favor impeachment. That list includes Representative Steve Scalise (the House Majority Whip) , Representative Steve King, Representative Michele Bachmann, Representative Steve Stockman, and Representative Louie Gohmert.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2014/07/29/republicans-deny-gunning-impeachment-roundup-impeachment-talk-speaks.html

    As confirmed by a recent column of The New York Times, the South Dakota Republican Party passed a resolution calling for impeachment at their annual convention this year, and it's possible that other states may do the same, even though impeachment proceedings can only be started at the Federal level by the House of Representatives.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/opinion/gail-collins-none-dare-call-it-impeachment.html


    The Tea Party branch of the Republican Party, of course, denies that it's true. This morning's column by Chip Wood (of the Personal Liberty Digest) is titled" Democrats Make Millions Lying About Impeachment":

    http://personalliberty.com/democrats-make-millions-lying-impeachment/

    Chip Wood IS correct about one thing, and that is the fact that talk of impeachment (and even the lawsuit against Obama) will be very good news for the Democratic Party during the mid-term elections.
    Related to the present situation in the world, we do need a president who is clear headed and understand the world; impeachment makes only things worse; Obama needs the right advisors, which he has not. There is the problem.
  • Independent
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    I saw Obama on TV after the Africa summit; sorry to say this guy has no clue; either he is misinformed or plays dumb.
    For instance on the Dutch news; the Russians are now boycotting all produce from west Europe including Poland and the Netherlands. Russia is certainly not dependant on western Europe and are not in distress, like Obama proudly announced. I guess he forgot how large Russia is and that it has close ties to China. I guess Europe is hurting more than Russia. Also by denouncing Hamas etc. he is asking for more trouble. Do not forget only 3 Israeli civilians got killed versus 1900 Palestinians; what is wrong with this picture? May be he should not be impeached, but re-educated and get rid of these stupid advisors of him. Unless he changes drastically it will be a total disaster until 2016.
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    Could you please be more explicit in the "bad advisors" category? I think there have been a few "bad apples" in the Veteran Admin situation, since somebody should have known the Vets were dying without adequate medical care. But I don't expect Obama to know if all of his staff is actually doing their jobs perfectly or not. (No human being on earth could be expected to keep track of all that).

    He only has to keep track of the Treasury Dept, the Defense Dept, the Medicare (Health & Human Services Dept), the Dept of Education, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Dept of Labor, the Dept of Commerce, the Dept of Agriculture, etc. It should take at least 8 Presidents to keep track of all that. Even in Ancient Rome they had a triumvirate (3 leaders) and that was way back in 43 B.C. And they did not have much to worry about (except crucifying dissidents & escaped slaves). Maybe we need 30 leaders NOW, & 300 advisors. (& a very fast computer Dept : )