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Israel shells a UN school in Gaza

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  • Center Left
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    An United Nations school in the Gaza strip was shelled yesterday by Israelis. The US has condemned the action but then vows to resupply Israel with more ammunition. That's like casually telling your child not to throw rocks at your neighbor's car then giving the child a bucket of stones and walking away.

    The US needs to take a stand for what is right, not just unconditionally back one side. I know that Israel and the US are friends and allies but if my best friend started walking around, punching people in the face, I would step in to stop him.
  • Independent
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    Sorry to say; there are already two threads about this subject; why start a new one?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Zach F Wrote: Source

    An United Nations school in the Gaza strip was shelled yesterday by Israelis. The US has condemned the action but then vows to resupply Israel with more ammunition. That's like casually telling your child not to throw rocks at your neighbor's car then giving the child a bucket of stones and walking away.

    The US needs to take a stand for what is right, not just unconditionally back one side. I know that Israel and the US are friends and allies but if my best friend started walking around, punching people in the face, I would step in to stop him.
    Okay, let's make this thread about the UN's role in the conflict. This is not the first time Israel has targeted UN observers or UN safe places.

    26 July 2006: The Guardian: Israelis ignored repeated warnings before killing UN observers

    "Israel came under mounting pressure last night to explain why its military ignored repeated warnings and bombed a prominent UN post in southern Lebanon, killing four unarmed international observers.

    "The four UN soldiers, from China, Austria, Finland and Canada, were taking shelter in a bunker at the white, three-storey building in Khiyam on Tuesday after at least six hours of Israeli bombing and shelling, when it was destroyed by what UN sources say was a precision-guided aerial bomb.

    "The UN contacted Israeli forces up to 10 times about the strikes. The UN's deputy general secretary, Mark Malloch Brown, made several calls to the Israelis to protest at the shelling and to call for it to stop, he told the security council yesterday."


    In my view, Israel knew exactly what they were doing and did it anyway. It was a deliberate act. They have as much contempt for the UN as they do for the Palestinians.

    Remember that in November 1975 the UN General Assembly passed Resolution 3379 that determined that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination". The Israelis were incensed by that resolution and in 1991 forced the UN to revoke it as a condition of its participation in the Madrid Peace Conference of 1991. If it wasn't for their US protectorate, Israel would have been sanctioned again and again by the UN. The USA and Israel are largely alone...sometimes backed up by Britain.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Here's another United Nations resolution that was totally ignored by Israel:

    November 22, 1974: United Nations General Assembly passes Resolution 3326 that "reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including the right to self-determination without external interference; the right to national independence and sovereignty".

    It also "reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return."

    It doesn't carry any weight with Israel...nothing.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Schmidt, so what would your resolution of this conflict be, and where would the borders be redrawn and how would Israel prevent further attacks , should the Gaza Strip be turned over to Hamas completely or would you like the Nation of Israel to be located somewhere else in the World? If so, where? And if the stated goal of the Hamas organization is to insure the complete destruction of Israel, how does one begin to talk peace with that goal in mind?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    1. Go back to the pre-1967 borders as per UN Resolution 242.
    2. All Israeli settlements in the occupied territories (West Bank) will be abandoned and turned over to the Palestinians.
    3. The Israeli blockade of Gaza is entirely removed allowing the free flow of food, medicine, and other goods and people across the border. This includes discontinuing the naval blockade.
    4. Israel commitment to tear down the West Bank Wall (aka, he Apartheid Wall) that inhibits the free movement of Palestinians on the West Bank.

    5. In return, Hamas will cease all military operations against Israel.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: 1. Go back to the pre-1967 borders as per UN Resolution 242.
    2. All Israeli settlements in the occupied territories (West Bank) will be abandoned and turned over to the Palestinians.
    3. The Israeli blockade of Gaza is entirely removed allowing the free flow of food, medicine, and other goods and people across the border. This includes discontinuing the naval blockade.
    4. Israel commitment to tear down the West Bank Wall (aka, he Apartheid Wall) that inhibits the free movement of Palestinians on the West Bank.

    5. In return, Hamas will cease all military operations against Israel.
    Yes you are absolutely right; however do you think any of this will happen? Doubt it!!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- Johhnycee asked what I see as a solution, and if they worked at the above list, then I do see it as a solution. But also 'no'...I agree that it is unlikely to happen. For the United States to insist that Israel abide by all UN resolutions past and present requires that they use a big stick...threaten them with not only the loss of monetary and military aid, but also slap some sanctions on them...Russia style.

    Any President that did that, however, would be immediately impeached. The Israel Lobby is powerful.
  • Center Left
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    What's the argument for Israel even existing in the first place? Their country was forcibly carved out another long established country that had done no wrong in and just happened to be situated where Israel existed 2700 years ago.
  • Center Left
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    Looks like the US and and the UN have convinced the two sides to agree to a 3-day humanitarian ceasefire which will begin Friday.
  • Democrat
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    It's a start but I don't think it will end up being anything more than a temporay ceasefire , I hope not but this conflict has gone on too long and sometimes I think the only outcome will be the total annihilation of one or the other.
  • Independent
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    johnnycee Wrote: It's a start but I don't think it will end up being anything more than a temporay ceasefire , I hope not but this conflict has gone on too long and sometimes I think the only outcome will be the total annihilation of one or the other.
    You may be right, as long as the US keeps supplying sophysticated weapons systems and the others have to fight with home made fireworks.
  • Democrat
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    The ceasefire lasted 92 minutes ,it is being reported today that 1 IDF soldier was kidnapped and 2 others killed by Hamas fighters exiting a tunnel in southern part of the Gaza strip. It's times like this I really hate being right!
  • Center Left
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    Hamas has messed up. I agree they have. However Israel has been brutal towards the Palestinians and they conspire to crush their enemy. Their enemy who owned the land that Israel took from them. It's a very bad situation but I support the Palestinians. I wish no bad for Israel but they're not trying to coexist. They want to crush the Palestinians with weapons that my tax dollars are buying. I don't like that at all.