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Israel, Hamas and the Gaza Strip

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  • Center Left
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    With the ceasefire truce put together by Egypt being rejected by Hamas in the Gaza strip, how bad do you think Israel will bomb? Will there be anything left of it after they get done with it? Several articles I'm reading say that Israel is warning everyone that they will come down hard on the small strip of land, and recommending everyone to evacuate, by the tens of thousands.

    I am nowhere near an expert on the subject, or the nuanced history of the conflict for that matter. But I do know the basics. And it appears that a fight between Israel and the Hamas in Gaza is like David v Goliath (with Israel being the giant). Feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong there. Also, would really like to hear someone's summarized take on the conflict in the region, and why its going down in the first place. Also, why did Hamas reject the ceasefire? I know the media's answers to these questions. But, to be honest, you get WILDLY different takes depending on where you read.
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    Arroyo Wrote: With the ceasefire truce put together by Egypt being rejected by Hamas in the Gaza strip, how bad do you think Israel will bomb? Will there be anything left of it after they get done with it? Several articles I'm reading say that Israel is warning everyone that they will come down hard on the small strip of land, and recommending everyone to evacuate, by the tens of thousands.

    I am nowhere near an expert on the subject, or the nuanced history of the conflict for that matter. But I do know the basics. And it appears that a fight between Israel and the Hamas in Gaza is like David v Goliath (with Israel being the giant). Feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong there. Also, would really like to hear someone's summarized take on the conflict in the region, and why its going down in the first place. Also, why did Hamas reject the ceasefire? I know the media's answers to these questions. But, to be honest, you get WILDLY different takes depending on where you read.
    I'm not an expert either; but this problem was created in 1948 by the US and its allies; it was for hundreds of years Palestinian land; after WWII a place for the people coming out of the German camps had to be found and the State of Israel was kind of forced in place where the Palestinians lived.
    Until today they want their land back; also Israel flourishes due to US support, while the Palestinians are poor and get pushed around by Israel who keeps on building/expanding settlements on their soil. So no wonder this conflict will never end. Since the whole Middle east is just about in turmoil, this will only put more fuel on the fire. But it is nothing new.
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    Google search provided a little history, I won't go into the Crusades or the Biblical references towards Palestine, I'll keep it within a shorter modern history, it seems that sometime after the WW I, the British were awarded the territory from the Ottoman Empire in 1922,there were a variety of sectarian conflicts and when the British decided to divide the territory between the Jews and the Arabs, the Arabs factions rejected the idea ,the UN General Assembly okayed the deal and a civil war broke out, which later lead to the British Mandate of 1948, most of the original settlers were displaced Jews from the Arab countries with further immigration of European Jews after the holocaust, the factions were still at it when in 1967 the 6 Day War with what is now known as Israel commenced, and the hatred has not subsided till this very day.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Arroyo Wrote: With the ceasefire truce put together by Egypt being rejected by Hamas in the Gaza strip, how bad do you think Israel will bomb? Will there be anything left of it after they get done with it? Several articles I'm reading say that Israel is warning everyone that they will come down hard on the small strip of land, and recommending everyone to evacuate, by the tens of thousands.
    The evacuation warning leaves me a little confused considering the entire Gaza Strip has been under a sea and land blockade for seven years now. Residents are not allowed to leave and virtually no one, other than Israeli soldiers, are allowed to enter. Where exactly does Israel expect these people to go if they can't leave this tiny strip of land composed of a paltry 139 square miles?

    Arroyo Wrote: I am nowhere near an expert on the subject, or the nuanced history of the conflict for that matter. But I do know the basics. And it appears that a fight between Israel and the Hamas in Gaza is like David v Goliath (with Israel being the giant). Feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong there.
    You are entirely correct. We all know how that biblical story wound up, as well.

    Arroyo Wrote: Also, would really like to hear someone's summarized take on the conflict in the region, and why its going down in the first place. Also, why did Hamas reject the ceasefire? I know the media's answers to these questions. But, to be honest, you get WILDLY different takes depending on where you read.
    We all know the media's answers and they are squarely on the side of the Israeli's, but the history of that land is not nearly as simplistic as many in our media make it out to be.

    The conflict between Arabs and the Jewish state can date back to 850 BC. While there was no Muslim religion back then, this would still be classified as the first battle between the two sides. Battles raged between Israel and it's neighbors for many centuries after that and 'ownership' of the land changes between many hands for many centuries after that.

    The current conflict can be dated back to 638, when ironically, the Rashidun Caliphate, also known as the Islamic Empire, allowed Jews to return to what they consider their homeland. The region was still under Islamic rule and continued that way until the crusades. After a few hundred years of that back and forth, the Arabs eventually drove out the crusaders and ruled Palestine for the next few centuries. After the Ottoman Empire's fall in WW!, the British came in and started messing everything up.

    Constant rebellions and revolts made the British's job quite difficult, culminating in a three year long war lasting from 1936-1939. The British continuously granted more and more land to Jewish Zionists against the will of the Palestinian people, which undoubtedly frustrated the Palestinians . Things continued to go poorly for the Palestinians throughout the 1940's, culminating in the newly minted United Nations passing a unilateral mandate creating the state of Israel. This led to the war of 1949 and Israel enacting their first of many partitions outside of the boundaries drawn by the 1948 United Nations lines.

    The next great conflict was in 1967 and that is when Israel dramatically increased the amount of land they claim for themselves. They have given back some of the land, but the vast majority of it is still claimed and occupied by Israel to this day.

    Hamas came into power in the Gaza Strip in 2007 and Israel immediately set up a brutal blockade that is still in place today. The people of Gaza are prisoners on their own land and are entirely reliant on Israel for the most basic of things like food and water. They can not leave their small strip of land and face constant harassment by the Israeli military.

    This current fight is being justified because three young Israeli citizens were kidnapped and killed by a group of Palestinians. Israel is justifying a whole scale invasion of a defenseless population because three people were murdered. This gave Israel the 'green light' to begin indiscriminately bombing the entire Gaza Strip. Then Israeli citizens kidnapped and murdered a young teenager in what can only be classified as a brutal revenge killing. That ushered in a dramatic escalation of the conflict whose end is anyone's guess.
  • Center Left
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    The Israeli conflict versus the Palestinians is much like when the US invaded Grenada. Because of the anti rocket systems that we most likely provided and paid for...... it's like a big playground bully punching a child 50 pounds lighter. I am waiting for this to become the justification for Israel to take more land. Death toll comparisons is a joke. While I know that the Palestinians have done many things wrong..... I can't help but to feel sorry for them.
    I think access to Jerusalem (with it being a firm neutral zone with absolutely no violence) would be a good first step. The death ratio is probably 100 / .025. We had better send them more money and weapons.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Update:

    Four young Palestinian children were indiscriminately killed while playing soccer on a beach today. Israel must have considered them a clear and present danger against their national security. There were zero reports of any Hamas fighters being killed in the bombing.

    This brings the Palestinian death toll to 213 including 43 young children. Over 1,600 Palestinians have been wounded. Israel has reported one fatality.

    I truly wonder how the Israeli government can live with themselves. How can they justify this indiscriminate brutality against a defenseless population?
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: Update:

    Four young Palestinian children were indiscriminately killed while playing soccer on a beach today. Israel must have considered them a clear and present danger against their national security. There were zero reports of any Hamas fighters being killed in the bombing.

    This brings the Palestinian death toll to 213 including 43 young children. Over 1,600 Palestinians have been wounded. Israel has reported one fatality.

    I truly wonder how the Israeli government can live with themselves. How can they justify this indiscriminate brutality against a defenseless population?
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    I watched the evening news tonight. They showed inside a Gaza hospital. Palestinian victim's were everywhere. They all looked to be between 60 - 75 years old. Another obvious threat to Israel. Israel is good at saying we're the victim's........ they are far too militant. When I'm king..... aid to Israel will be a thing of the past.
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    Inform Palestine to turn-in Hamas and those firing terrorism into Israel. It is just that simple. The rocket fire is coming from civilian residential areas. There is a limit to just how surgical you can respond with defense attempting to halt the rocket/missile firing. Those people in Palestine and Gaza that are firing rockets into Israel could care less about the children and private citizens that die from the retaliations of Israel. They know that Israel will retaliate, thus these evil people use the civilians, women and children as political baiting for world condemnation of Israel. It's a war tactic.

    Turn-in and arrest those that are firing the rockets and the killing will stop. Palestinians do not care about the deaths of their loved ones and only use the deaths for hyped-up media junk for the world to condemn Israel.
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Inform Palestine to turn-in Hamas and those firing terrorism into Israel. It is just that simple. The rocket fire is coming from civilian residential areas. There is a limit to just how surgical you can respond with defense attempting to halt the rocket/missile firing. Those people in Palestine and Gaza that are firing rockets into Israel could care less about the children and private citizens that die from the retaliations of Israel. They know that Israel will retaliate, thus these evil people use the civilians, women and children as political baiting for world condemnation of Israel. It's a war tactic.

    Turn-in and arrest those that are firing the rockets and the killing will stop. Palestinians do not care about the deaths of their loved ones and only use the deaths for hyped-up media junk for the world to condemn Israel.
    That's a pretty strong thing to say. How do you feel you would react if you were confined to a tiny strip of land and not allowed to leave for over seven years? It's easy to tell them to just stop firing rockets at Israel. It's just as easy for Israel to stop firing missiles at young children and senior citizens and remove the brutal blockade they have imposed.

    I also don't agree the conflict would just end if you arrest those who are firing the rockets. The Palestinians are angry, and rightfully so in my opinion. It's easy to take Israels side, especially with how the American media treats them, but how would you feel if you were stuck in Gaza for seven years and not allowed to freely move around? Don't you think you might take up arms against the oppressive apartheid regime that is making your life hell?

    The fatality count is currently at 213-1. Israel has killed 213 Palestinians, many of them women and children. Those children are not terrorists. Those children don't have bomb shelters to go to when Israeli missiles start raining down on them. How can Israel justify that? Israel will never have the peace they insist they want if they continue to indiscriminately slaughter hundreds of civilians. The 'Iron Dome' protects them enough, as the fatality numbers show. Why do they need to wreak havoc on a defenseless population? What good will come of that?
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Inform Palestine to turn-in Hamas and those firing terrorism into Israel. It is just that simple. The rocket fire is coming from civilian residential areas. There is a limit to just how surgical you can respond with defense attempting to halt the rocket/missile firing. Those people in Palestine and Gaza that are firing rockets into Israel could care less about the children and private citizens that die from the retaliations of Israel. They know that Israel will retaliate, thus these evil people use the civilians, women and children as political baiting for world condemnation of Israel. It's a war tactic.

    Turn-in and arrest those that are firing the rockets and the killing will stop. Palestinians do not care about the deaths of their loved ones and only use the deaths for hyped-up media junk for the world to condemn Israel.
    That's a pretty strong thing to say. How do you feel you would react if you were confined to a tiny strip of land and not allowed to leave for over seven years? It's easy to tell them to just stop firing rockets at Israel. It's just as easy for Israel to stop firing missiles at young children and senior citizens and remove the brutal blockade they have imposed.

    I also don't agree the conflict would just end if you arrest those who are firing the rockets. The Palestinians are angry, and rightfully so in my opinion. It's easy to take Israeli's side, especially with how the American media treats them, but how would you feel if you were stuck in Gaza for seven years and not allowed to freely move around? Don't you think you might take up arms against the oppressive apartheid regime that is making your life hell?

    The fatality count is currently at 213-1. Israel has killed 213 Palestinians, many of them women and children. Those children are not terrorists. Those children don't have bomb shelters to go to when the missiles start raining down on them. How can Israel justify that? Israel will never have the peace they insist they want if they continue to indiscriminately slaughter hundreds of civilians. The 'Iron Dome' protects them enough, as the fatality numbers show. Why do they need to wreak havoc on a defenseless population? What good will come of that?
    "Jared" completely agree; sorry to say the Western World created this situation in1948; not much has changed since then, except the difference in wealth and the have and have not's; the oppression and expansion which Israel is pursuing wil lead to more of this for sure.
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    Dutch Wrote: "Jared" completely agree; sorry to say the Western World created this situation in1948; not much has changed since then, except the difference in wealth and the have and have not's; the oppression and expansion which Israel is pursuing wil lead to more of this for sure.
    I definitely agree that the Western World created this situation in 1948, but much has changed since then. The original borders have been greatly expanded and Israel has created a de facto apartheid state in the West Bank/Judea, Samaria, and dozens of other illegal settlements. If Israel ever truly wants peace then they have to recognize that they over reached and that they will have to give some land that they took back. The Palestinians have already shown a great willingness to compromise about possible borders for a future state, but Israel has not reciprocated. They may think that's in their best interest for now, but it will only harden the Palestinians resolve in this dispute. It is impossible to defeat an ideology. America has found this out the hard way in her recent conflicts and Israel will undoubtedly find it out as well.
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    Just reported on CNN...... Israel has started a ground attack into Gaza. How soon until they annex it ? If there was still a UN (I know there is but it's useless) maybe they could condemn this action. Israel has acted like thugs. If I was Obama, I'd let them know that our support is not carved in stone. Even though we have Jewish citizens and like having an ally in the region. Israel should have to answer for their reckless/violent actions and their mass killing of harmless civilians.

    It's said that there are hundreds of tunnels from Gaza to Israel. We'll see where this leads. That's the reason being given as to why Israel had to send troops into Gaza.... to destroy the tunnels.
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    I find it odd that significant events are taking place on the 34-35 degrees meridian/parallel. Kiev (30E degrees 31'), Ukraine eastern border (34E degrees), Crimea (34E degrees), Gaza (34E degrees 27') and Israel (35E degrees) all are in the very similar coordinates on our planet. I realize I'm reaching a bit, but after searching I located several links on Global Mysteries, such as the 33rd parallel and the highly discussed number 33. Additionally, a strange link was about, "The Code" of Carl Munck and Ancient Gematrian Numbers, which discusses hard evidence of a grand design to creation. Way to wow for me.

    All these events taking place on the other side of the planet is far enough away, however, earth quakes and flying nukes may be in our future. Catastrophic events in good ole USA may come close to all of us making ObamaCare, NSA snooping, and Immigration a nonevent. I'm assuming Repubs and Tea Parts are blaming Obama for all the unrest in Israel and eastern Europe.........just part of the job as President to take the heat. A bare-chested Putin should be in the media explaining the Russian fool that pushed the button of the downing of the commercial airliner. Leave Israel alone because there are only protecting their interest or do you think 1500 rockets into your homeland is just being neighborly?

    If the nukes fly and the earthquakes come, don't worry the aliens are here to take over. Did you see the media story of the saucer like craft hovering over O'Hara the past week. As I heard on the news, thousands witnessed the strange hovering aircraft. Unless Area 51 has released the new aircraft, I believe the Aliens are here. Did you see the massive hole in the ground in Siberia getting a rise out of scientists on what is it? Yes, the aliens are here and there are likely hoping we all just blow each other up so that they can take over.
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: I find it odd that significant events are taking place on the 34-35 degrees meridian/parallel. Kiev (30E degrees 31'), Ukraine eastern border (34E degrees), Crimea (34E degrees), Gaza (34E degrees 27') and Israel (35E degrees) all are in the very similar coordinates on our planet. I realize I'm reaching a bit, but after searching I located several links on Global Mysteries, such as the 33rd parallel and the highly discussed number 33. Additionally, a strange link was about, "The Code" of Carl Munck and Ancient Gematrian Numbers, which discusses hard evidence of a grand design to creation. Way to wow for me.

    All these events taking place on the other side of the planet is far enough away, however, earth quakes and flying nukes may be in our future. Catastrophic events in good ole USA may come close to all of us making ObamaCare, NSA snooping, and Immigration a nonevent. I'm assuming Repubs and Tea Parts are blaming Obama for all the unrest in Israel and eastern Europe.........just part of the job as President to take the heat. A bare-chested Putin should be in the media explaining the Russian fool that pushed the button of the downing of the commercial airliner. Leave Israel alone because there are only protecting their interest or do you think 1500 rockets into your homeland is just being neighborly?

    If the nukes fly and the earthquakes come, don't worry the aliens are here to take over. Did you see the media story of the saucer like craft hovering over O'Hara the past week. As I heard on the news, thousands witnessed the strange hovering aircraft. Unless Area 51 has released the new aircraft, I believe the Aliens are here. Did you see the massive hole in the ground in Siberia getting a rise out of scientists on what is it? Yes, the aliens are here and there are likely hoping we all just blow each other up so that they can take over.
    Welcome to la la land ! Suggest you visit Hobby Lobby and get another "hobby" if they have such.
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    We can all drift off of center. Hopefully not too often though.
    Today there should be much more in the news. I am anxious to see what is said.
    Interesting note: It's often said how human shields are being used. CNN interviewed a young man who is an American (perhaps NY) who said he was there to act as a human shield. Wow, that surprised me.