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  • Liberal Democrat
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    With all the media coverage of the refugee children from Central America, it certainly appears that this is another issue that has divided America, and not necessarily along the traditional Democratic - Republican lines of demarcation, although Republicans are largely on one side of the fence. We have two threads that are discussing the topic, but I thought I would start a new one to hopefully broaden people's perspectives with a few articles.

    Mark Funkhouser, Governing Institute, January 7, 2103: The Political Future of a Browning America

    Pew Research, May 17, 2012: Explaining Why Minority Births Now Outnumber White Births

    1. Only 17 percent of the net growth of our country's population from 2000 to 2010 was non-Hispanic white. More than half of our growth in the period was Hispanic. Hispanic immigration accounted for 370,000 or 31 percent of all immigrants in 2010.

    2. Asian immigration in 2010 accounted for 430,000 or 36 percent of our new immigrants for just that one year. In fact, Asians were the fastest growing racial demographic group during that 10 year period growing by 46 percent. However, their numbers overall are still relatively small.

    3. According to the 2010 census, 49.5 percent of babies under age 1 were minorities (Hispanic, Asian, Black)

    4. Non-Hispanic whites have the oldest median age, 42.3, in 2011, according to the population estimates. Hispanics have the youngest, 27.6. Non-Hispanic blacks (32.9) and non-Hispanic Asians (35.9) also are younger than whites.

    5. Because of the aging white demographic and higher fertility rates for Hispanics and blacks (2.4 for Hispanics, 2.1 for Blacks, versus 1.8 for whites), the non-Hispanic white population is expected to be a minority (47 percent) of the population by the year 2050. That's just 36 years away.

    Does this demographic trend necessarily further compound the great political divide in this country? No. As Funkouser points out, young people are much more adaptable, and their increasing influence "will result in some blurring of the lines between the two parties and a more complex political landscape." The traditional demarcations between Democrats and Republicans may not exist as new lines cut across both parties...or maybe they'll be smudgy lines. And certainly with the graying of the Republican old white men hardliners, they will eventually be a non-factor.

    Is this good or bad? I don't see it either way. One of the new lines of demarcation is likely to be young versus old. Right now with the baby boomer generation (of which I'm a part) retiring, we will need more young people to help support us in our retirement. That Social Security trust fund only exists on paper. Ultimately for Social Security and Medicare benefits to be sustained at current levels, it will require an increasingly productive work force or more young workers.

    In 2010, the number of workers per Social Security beneficiary was 3.2. That ratio is expected to decrease to 2.6 by 2020 and 2.2 by 2030. Already there is resentment amongst younger folks who are struggling to pay off college debt and maintain any kind of a "barely making ends meet" lifestyle while also supporting retirees. I see it as an increasing divide in our country that cuts across party lines.

    The USA fertility rate is currently 2.01. Statisticians say for the USA, a rate of 2.1 equates to zero population growth without immigration. So we do need more immigration, and preferably young children. They are adaptable and can learn new languages quickly. The more the better. Central America is a ready identifiable source of young people.

    Whatever issues we have in our demographic trends, Europe appears to be even more extreme. The fertility rate in Spain is only 1.48. In Italy 1.42, Greece 1.41. France, however, is 2.08. Many of those countries have aging populations but not enough young people to support them. The answer, of course, is also immigration, but that like the USA immigration gives rise to more racial resentment, especially amongst the older population that sees immigration as a threat to their racial/ethnic purity.

    I am not trying to change anyone's minds. Just stimulate thinking that the influx of children from Central America can be a good thing for America, and especially us baby boomer generation that need more young people to support us in retirement.
  • Democrat
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    We have so many Hispanics being born because of legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. To stop the trend I strongly suggest that Democrats urge Congress to repeal the 2008 law so we can deport these children as soon as possible. We should not be spending tax dollars to house,feed and fly this people around the country to a city that does not want to shelter them.

    The Democrats refuse to adapt a national E-Verify because they are pandering to the Hispanic vote which is leaving the American taxpayer to pick up the bill.

    In a time that we see cities like Chicago close 52 schools, we see Veterans who can not get adequate health care, we have reduced food stamps to the poorest of Americans can we afford to house everyone that wants to come to America? That answer is no we should not even when they are children. How do we know they are children when they are say they are teenagers but they have no identification?

    These people are not refugees under Webster's definition "

    Refugee -
    one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution


    Refugee status at that time was accorded only if the migrant's departure was involuntary and asylum was sought in another country. In 1938 the definition of refugee was expanded to include persons with a well-founded fear of persecution because of ethnicity, religion, nationality, group membership, or political opinion

    Invade
    to enter (a place, such as a foreign country) in order to take control by military force

    : to enter (a place) in large numbers

    : to enter or be in (a place where you are not wanted
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    My own family is of various hues of brown and darker, almost black some would say, so in my family's case we helped the " the browning of America".
  • Democrat
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    Ub2Degrees Wrote:

    These people are not refugees under Webster's definition "

    Refugee -
    one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution.
    Very well written. However, the countries that these children are coming from are more dangerous than Iraq at the moment. There are even graphs and everything.

    Ub2Degrees Wrote:
    Invade
    to enter (a place, such as a foreign country) in order to take control by military force

    : to enter (a place) in large numbers

    : to enter or be in (a place where you are not wanted)
    Only some Americans do not want these kids here. I know this, because I am American and I want these kids here. My tax dollars pay for all sorts of things that I don't agree with. Around 42 cents out of every dollar I pay in taxes, goes to our military. I think a strong military is important, but when our military is already larger that the next 14 largest militaries.. I think we can afford to ease up and spend our tax money elsewhere.

    I assume that to "enter a place in large numbers" is not considered an invasion if we lock them up and drag them here, like we did with Africans?

    "To enter a place where you are not wanted". Pretty sure Native Americans didn't want us here, once they realized what nice Christian values we had. Values such as murdering in mass quantities, spreading disease and kicking them off their land. That was a REAL invasion.

    These kids are just trying to escape one of the more dangerous parts of the world. They just want a chance to live. People here, almost entirely white people, are basically saying " No kids, we stole this land from people who look just like you... we cannot let you stay here because I don't want to pay one more cent per tax dollar. "
  • Center Left
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    The world is full of under privileged/poor children. At least many hundreds of thousands and probably many millions. Are you going to go get them all ? It's not our job to try to end worldwide poverty. We haven't even ended it here. Charity begins at home. What about preserving their cultural heritage ? What about keeping families in tact ? I know - many times the children coming is an attempt to rejoin families because the parents had already illegally entered our country. I think this popular campaign to help the poor children is crazy. It would cost us much less to do a fly by / food drop or to send 10 million in aid. (food/clothes/etc. not money which can be stolen by politicians). Are we less concerned with Africa's poor children because they're not within walking distance ?
  • Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: The world is full of under privileged/poor children. At least many hundreds of thousands and probably many millions. Are you going to go get them all ? It's not our job to try to end worldwide poverty. We haven't even ended it here. Charity begins at home. What about preserving their cultural heritage ? What about keeping families in tact ? I know - many times the children coming is an attempt to rejoin families because the parents had already illegally entered our country. I think this popular campaign to help the poor children is crazy. It would cost us much less to do a fly by / food drop or to send 10 million in aid. (food/clothes/etc. not money which can be stolen by politicians). Are we less concerned with Africa's poor children because they're not within walking distance ?
    It is not like these kids are just poor or underprivileged. Honduras, for example, where a lot of these kids come from.. is literally the most dangerous country in the world to live in. You have a 1 in 15 chance of being murdered in Honduras. So I am not really sure what there is to discuss.
  • Center Left
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    Honduras is the most dangerous place ? What about The D.R. Congo, Nigeria, or other African nations ?
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    Edit/add 2:56 pm (plenty to discuss)

    Okay, I did a quick search and I found that Africa is in fact the most dangerous place for children. Because of war, drought, and disease.
    1. Sudan
    2. Uganda
    3. D.R. Congo
    4. Iraq
    5. Somalia
    6. Palestine
    7. Afghanistan
    8. Chechnya
    9. Myanmar

    This is according to Reuters Alertnet poll of Humanitarian workers and Journalists. They emphasized that the top 3 were by far the worst places for children. If you don't have a map, 1,2,3, and 5 are in Africa.

    Murder isn't the only way to die. Starvation or disease is just as ugly. Slower though.

    My Google search was (Most Dangerous countries for children)
  • Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: Honduras is the most dangerous place ? What about The D.R. Congo, Nigeria, or other African nations ?
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    Edit/add 2:56 pm (plenty to discuss)

    Okay, I did a quick search and I found that Africa is in fact the most dangerous place for children. Because of war, drought, and disease.
    1. Sudan
    2. Uganda
    3. D.R. Congo
    4. Iraq
    5. Somalia
    6. Palestine
    7. Afghanistan
    8. Chechnya
    9. Myanmar

    This is according to Reuters Alertnet poll of Humanitarian workers and Journalists. They emphasized that the top 3 were by far the worst places for children. If you don't have a map, 1,2,3, and 5 are in Africa.

    Murder isn't the only way to die. Starvation or disease is just as ugly. Slower though.
    Yes, because of drought and disease.... drought and disease isn't the type of danger we are talking about. If you include disease, I am sure the United States is super dangerous, due to heart disease and diabetes. What about car crashes and cancer? Let's just add every possible thing that can kill someone.

    We are talking about violent crime, this type of danger. Being that Honduras, as of last December, has a murder rate of around 90 out of a 100,000 people, that makes it the most dangerous in the world.

    I do agree that a lot of African countries are dangerous for many reasons. I would not want to go to some African countries nor would I want to go to Honduras.
  • Democrat
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    In the end, it doesn't really matter what country is the most dangerous. The facts cannot be ignored. Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador are extremely dangerous for children. This is a humanitarian issue, we (as a group of nations) have the ability to help. If we don't, then it will be one of many black marks on our history that we will have to live with.
  • Democrat
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    Also, I think it is funny that the article by Funkhouser is called The Browning of America. It is funny to me, because it was not White to start with.
  • Center Left
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    Where do we start ? Dangerous for children means children are dying. Is your preference these walkers because they look kind of like us with a tan. My point is that we can't save them all or even half of them. How do you choose which children get saved. Sure the ones who illegally enter our country are the most convenient because they are at the door step but certainly not the most needy or endangered. We have 19 trillion in debt and these good folks will need food, housing, education, and medical care. At the same time their families aren't even paying taxes. Where do the funds come from ? The answer is from citizens who already think that govt. is too big and taxing far too much. I think that will get about 20% support from the masses. I fully agree that a cut in military spending is long over due. However there are a thousand ways the moneys could be spent. Schools, Roads/bridges, medical expenses for the poor, paying down our debt, better pay for teachers.
    Once you empty out Central America do you then branch out to South America ? You have to draw the line somewhere and your agenda doesn't even address the children in the greatest danger. Hmmmmmmm
  • Democrat
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    Walkers? Is this The Walking Dead ?

    I am not sure what you mean by " Kind of look like us". Who is "us" ? If you are referring "White people" when you say "us".. then I think we have a whole different issue to talk about. Because when I think "us", it is not one race.
  • Center Left
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    Walkers refers to how they get here. Except at the end, then they're swimmers. I'm glad you're ready to save the world. I just doubt you can afford to pay for it. Don't you think that it's important to pay off the current debt (19T) before we pull out the USA platinum card and rack up more debt ? Hell spend away.... with no limitations. It's not like it's real money.
  • Liberal
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    TroyRC Wrote: Walkers? Is this The Walking Dead ? <br /> <br /> I am not sure what you mean by " Kind of look like us". Who is "us" ? If you are referring "White people" when you say "us".. then I think we have a whole different issue to talk about. Because when I think "us", it is not one race.
    Troy, it is all about race, unfortunately. The USA in at the beginning of the end for white power and they "Ain't gunna go peacefully"! The best thing that could happen in this country is old white folks are able to get over heir feelings of racial superiority but it's not going to happen until they become the minority and they aren't about to give up their power without a fight!
  • Independent
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    I read the reactions; my conclusion is "the world is getting smaller; but population does not. Actually it works the same as with "fire" ants; they start on one spot then in no time your whole yard has them. I guess the only way to stop that, is either feed them ( then you get only more of them) or hand out birthcontrol pills. Sounds cruel, but what else can you do other than start a few more wars to reduce the world population?