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Obama requests $3.7 billion to stem tide of children refugees


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    Like most things, the subject of immigration, especially "illegal immigration" is getting very complicated. If all people would just obey the laws, then there would be few, if any, problems. BUT instead, there are always those who insist on sneaking in, without following ANY of our needed protocols.

    In reality, they should EXPECT legal repercussions, if they disobey our laws. Imagine what would happen if WE sneaked across the Russian border, or into any Communist or Muslim nation. Probably INSTANT DEATH would be the result. But at least prolonged incarceration.

    But we allow people to come in here with dreams of Disneyland & sugarplums dancing in their heads, not realizing that the security of an international border is VITAL to our National Security. We are a WORLD Super-Power, with many obligations & responsibilities. We are NOT a babysitting agency for any & all nations that do NOT oversee their own populations, & solve any of their own problems. It is appalling that any country would be so dumb and irresponsible in the 21st century to think we are supposed to adopt several billion people, & have to pay for their food, clothing, transport, housing, education, & healthcare, When WE can't afford to take care of OUR OWN PEOPLE. -- FACE IT! -- We have plenty of trouble just taking care of our OWN population of 320 million people. You need PROOF? Study on the Fact that we are "borrowing" millions & billions of dollars from Communist Red China.

    It is NOT an ally of ours, but we are forced to borrow money from them, because of awful Debts we incurred due to the "Bush" strategy of invading & waging war on 5 or 6 nations, (for no logical reason, except Bushco could make Huge Profits from their oilwells) while simultaneously Bankrupting WE the PEOPLE of the United States. NOTE: We American citizens had to "pay for the wars" while Bushco KEPT THE PROFITS. It was enormous Robbery, but as usual, the Republicans are expert at massive thievery & NONE of them goes to jail. (or ever has to pay it back). Similarly, the Wall Street scandal, where WE the taxpayers had to "bail out" major corporations to the tune of $70 billion --- & the FBI said the "thefts" were being done by the corporate CEO's THEMSELVES!!! But if you are a GOP "crook" there are no repercussions to ANY kind of crime you can commit. They are the "rich elite" of this country, the 1% upper crust, who are immune to punishment. But WE the poorer people must PAY for ALL of "their" mistakes. And WE must go to war & sacrifice our sons & daughters on the battlefield, just so rich fat-cats can sit safely at home, slurping wine & caviar at our expense.

    BACK TO THE POINT. Due to crooked GOP officials in our Govt, daily undermining the Rights of We the People, stealing all our tax money & putting it into Swiss Bank Accts & the Cayman Islands (so they can illegally avoid paying their GOP's due Taxes) & also doing their best to keep the American people unemployed & poor (& many became homeless due to GOP manipulation of lending agencies) & killing off thousands of us in useless wars, so
    as to leave less middle class people alive, to vote Democrat. You KNOW they are always doing everything possible to RIG OUR ELECTIONS, often using shameless huge amounts of money from Koch Bros fortunes (made from fracking & drilling which destroys all our water supply). So NOW they have over 1/2 of the House of Reps dominated by GOP, and 60% of the Supreme Court, & have 3/4 of the media spreading evil lies 24/7, so as to manipulate YOUR vote, so they can gain even MORE power, to destroy us, and to totally eradicate Democracy off the earth.

    We cannot AFFORD any more population in the United States, we can't house them, feed them, clothe them, give them education & healthcare, etc when we can't even take care of our wounded Veterans from all of Bush's insane useless wars. Wake Up -- We are already over-crowded and over populated, and don't have enough jobs & housing & financing to take care of our OWN citizens. This nation is FULL and there is NO VACANCY.
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    eternal flame Wrote: Like most things, the subject of immigration, especially "illegal immigration" is getting very complicated. If all people would just obey the laws, then there would be few, if any, problems. BUT instead, there are always those who insist on sneaking in, without following ANY of our needed protocols.

    In reality, they should EXPECT legal repercussions, if they disobey our laws. Imagine what would happen if WE sneaked across the Russian border, or into any Communist or Muslim nation. Probably INSTANT DEATH would be the result. But at least prolonged incarceration.

    But we allow people to come in here with dreams of Disneyland & sugarplums dancing in their heads, not realizing that the security of an international border is VITAL to our National Security. We are a WORLD Super-Power, with many obligations & responsibilities. We are NOT a babysitting agency for any & all nations that do NOT oversee their own populations, & solve any of their own problems. It is appalling that any country would be so dumb and irresponsible in the 21st century to think we are supposed to adopt several billion people, & have to pay for their food, clothing, transport, housing, education, & healthcare, When WE can't afford to take care of OUR OWN PEOPLE. -- FACE IT! -- We have plenty of trouble just taking care of our OWN population of 320 million people. You need PROOF? Study on the Fact that we are "borrowing" millions & billions of dollars from Communist Red China.

    It is NOT an ally of ours, but we are forced to borrow money from them, because of awful Debts we incurred due to the "Bush" strategy of invading & waging war on 5 or 6 nations, (for no logical reason, except Bushco could make Huge Profits from their oilwells) while simultaneously Bankrupting WE the PEOPLE of the United States. NOTE: We American citizens had to "pay for the wars" while Bushco KEPT THE PROFITS. It was enormous Robbery, but as usual, the Republicans are expert at massive thievery & NONE of them goes to jail. (or ever has to pay it back). Similarly, the Wall Street scandal, where WE the taxpayers had to "bail out" major corporations to the tune of $70 billion --- & the FBI said the "thefts" were being done by the corporate CEO's THEMSELVES!!! But if you are a GOP "crook" there are no repercussions to ANY kind of crime you can commit. They are the "rich elite" of this country, the 1% upper crust, who are immune to punishment. But WE the poorer people must PAY for ALL of "their" mistakes. And WE must go to war & sacrifice our sons & daughters on the battlefield, just so rich fat-cats can sit safely at home, slurping wine & caviar at our expense.

    BACK TO THE POINT. Due to crooked GOP officials in our Govt, daily undermining the Rights of We the People, stealing all our tax money & putting it into Swiss Bank Accts & the Cayman Islands (so they can illegally avoid paying their GOP's due Taxes) & also doing their best to keep the American people unemployed & poor (& many became homeless due to GOP manipulation of lending agencies) & killing off thousands of us in useless wars, so
    as to leave less middle class people alive, to vote Democrat. You KNOW they are always doing everything possible to RIG OUR ELECTIONS, often using shameless huge amounts of money from Koch Bros fortunes (made from fracking & drilling which destroys all our water supply). So NOW they have over 1/2 of the House of Reps dominated by GOP, and 60% of the Supreme Court, & have 3/4 of the media spreading evil lies 24/7, so as to manipulate YOUR vote, so they can gain even MORE power, to destroy us, and to totally eradicate Democracy off the earth.

    We cannot AFFORD any more population in the United States, we can't house them, feed them, clothe them, give them education & healthcare, etc when we can't even take care of our wounded Veterans from all of Bush's insane useless wars. Wake Up -- We are already over-crowded and over populated, and don't have enough jobs & housing & financing to take care of our OWN citizens. This nation is FULL and there is NO VACANCY.
    "Eternal" interesting piece I must say! But yeah we are not the only country facing this happening; due to Europe being the EU right now; there are no actual borders, so anyone can just "move". So for instance in the total overcrowded Netherlands the influx of Moroccans, Turks, Ukrainians, Polish, Syrians is enormous and creates the same situation as here. There is even a Party formed which wants to get rid of all these "imports" because they are parasites on the Dutch social system and are champions in robbing and stealing, creating situations like in the US, which the Dutch never had before.
    So I think this has become a worldwide problem and will continue if the gap between rich and poor continues to grow.
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    Schmidt Wrote: I'll make several comments.

    First, these children do indeed fit the category of refugees because they are fleeing violence and possible death in their homeland. And as refugees they simply cross the border at some point and seek out the border guards for their own safety. Unlike undocumented immigrants that are hiding from the border guards, these kids are not hiding. They simply cross the border at some unmanned point, and look for border guards. And once they are in US soil, the border guards cannot send them back across the border. It's as simple as that...it's also the law.

    Of course the USA could set up fences across the entire border with Mexico and man it with hundreds of thousands of National Guard troops with guns and bullets and drones. What would that cost? It's stupid to even think about it...and the political repercussions around the world will be enormous. The French will ask for their Statue of Liberty back.

    The economic conditions in El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatamala are abysmal. Parents are fearing for the death or capture of their children, so many are sending their kids across the border for the safety. They are not sending them here to work.

    The economic conditions are a result of drug cartels setting up shop in these countries, having been evicted from Mexico. The way to stop the violence is to stop the drug smuggling into the USA. That is easier said than done as many of the public officials in these countries are also corrupt and have been bought by the cartels...or the cartels have installed their own people directly.

    I don't have a solution for that, except to say that America's drug problem is not confined to the USA. It's tentacles extend deep into Central America.

    CNN: Drug cartels are causing a refugee crisis

    Regarding the population growth rates in these countries, they are not that high. According to the CIA, the fertility rates in these countries are as follows:

    Guatamala 2.99
    Honduras 2.86
    Mexico 2.29
    El Salvador 1.95

    USA 2.01

    These compare with several African countries with fertility rates in the range of 5 or 6. A fertility rate of between 2.1 and 3 (depending on the economic and health conditions in the country) is needed for zero population growth. USA's fertility rate of 2.01 guarantees that our population will decline in the future unless it is supplemented with immigration.

    Oh and the Netherlands fertility rate is 1.78. They will need immigration (perhaps from Africa) to avoid population decline.

    The birth rate statistics for these countries pretty much rank with the fertility rates. African countries top the list.

    Schmidt's post of 2014 was an early warning about the stupidity about the Trump administration and is policies toward people escaping violence at home.

    There is precedent for this issue in history.

    A boat carrying 937 Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi persecution is turned away from Havana, Cuba, on May 27, 1939. Only 28 immigrants are admitted into the country. After appeals to the United States and Canada for entry are denied, the rest are forced to sail back to Europe, where they’re distributed among several countries including Great Britain and France.

    On May 13, the S.S. St. Louis sailed from Hamburg, Germany to Havana, Cuba. Most of the passengers—many of them children—were German Jews escaping increasing persecution under the Third Reich. Six months earlier, 91 people were killed and Jewish homes, businesses, and synagogues were destroyed in what became known as the Kristallnacht pogrom. It was becoming increasing clear the Nazis were accelerating their efforts to exterminate Jews by arresting them and placing them in concentration camps. World War II and the formal implementation of The Final Solution were just months from beginning.

    The refugees had applied for U.S. visas, and planned to stay in Cuba until they could enter the United States legally. Even before they set sail, their impending arrival was greeted with hostility in Cuba. On May 8, there was a massive anti-Semitic demonstration in Havana. Right-wing newspapers claimed that the incoming immigrants were Communists.

    As a last resort, the St. Louis continued north to Canada, but it was rejected there, too. “No country could open its doors wide enough to take in the hundreds of thousands of Jewish people who want to leave Europe: the line must be drawn somewhere,” Frederick Blair, Canada’s director of immigration, said at the time.

    Faced with no other options, the ship returned to Europe. It docked in Antwerp, Belgium on June 17. By then, several Jewish organizations had secured entry visas for the refugees in Belgium, France, the Netherlands and Great Britain. The majority who had traveled on the ship survived the Holocaust; 254 later died as the Nazis swept through the continent.

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history

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    Yes, the people here are totally forgotten those times. My 94 year old friend here knows all about it , he was lucky and escaped to England and after the war returned to the Netherlands. My dad got killed in Neuengamme because he hid Jews in the woods behind our house. Our family was never the same, my mother got TB, in the war, so I was raised by other families as an orphan. That "war" has formed me the way I look at the world.

    Looking at the present situation in the US, it gives me the shivers, because all the signs of Nazi-ism are here again. Most people here have no idea what happened far away from "this island" and still is happening in places far from here.

    I travelled the whole world and worked all over the place and therefore gives me the idea that this country is on the wrong track and "l'histoire ce repette" all over again; especially on how the Trump Party reflects the period of the 1930's with the "brown shirts" and "white power" push. Scary indeed, especially since our (few) laws are being corrupted as well and the British "island" mentally prevents other ways of thinking. Also "money" corrupts, especially if there are no limits to "greed" and "money" hoarding by the rich. History has shown through the centuries that if the "gap" between the rich and the poor becomes too large, that it will evolve in an Robin Hood situation, in which we are now. Also don't forget that "religion" plays an big role as a "manipulator" especially in this country because all the "odd" fanatic religions escaped to here as immigrants.

    All of this makes this country "ungovernable" as is proven over and over again. This country is mentally still stuck in the 1930's.