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    I suggest that the Congress pass a reform plan with a securing the border plan first then see what the GOP does with a fuller version, I say call their bluff, the border will have to be secured regardless whether it's first ,second or last on the list of any reforms.
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    Johnnycee -- Congress will not pass anything that requires more money...unless they offset it with a cut in food stamps or something like that.
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    johnnycee Wrote: I suggest that the Congress pass a reform plan with a securing the border plan first then see what the GOP does with a fuller version, I say call their bluff, the border will have to be secured regardless whether it's first ,second or last on the list of any reforms.
    What exactly are you proposing we do to 'secure' our border and how much do you propose we spend 'securing' it? Should we spend millions, billions, or hundreds of billions? How much money should we put on our nations credit card to build a fence thousands of miles long?

    How high should we build the fence? Should we then try to pressure Mexico into passing a law that outlaws ladders being taller than the fence we build? The United States would also need to pass a law criminalizing ladders of a certain length being available in America in case the illegals have people helping them out on this side of the border. That law would inevitably have to give police the authority to go house to house and search people for possessing illegal ladders.

    Should we also build a fence along our 3,000 mile border with Canada? You do understand that most Europeans and Middle Easterners cross via our northern border, right? I know the only thing that scares xenophobic Americans more than those pesky Latino's is terrorists, so I'm sure you're on board with militarizing our northern border as well, correct? It only makes sense for us to be equal opportunity xenophobes.

    This entire discussion is a joke. It is literally impossible to 'secure' a border that is thousands of miles long. I just love how supposedly compassionate Christian people will do whatever it takes to keep Latino's out, but turn a blind eye to the fact that hundreds of thousands of people flood in from our northern border. I guess these patriotic and god fearing Americans tend to look the other way when people who look more like them come here illegally, but when people of another color do it, then we need to pass new laws and spend billions of dollars on the credit card to keep them out.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: I suggest that the Congress pass a reform plan with a securing the border plan first then see what the GOP does with a fuller version, I say call their bluff, the border will have to be secured regardless whether it's first ,second or last on the list of any reforms.
    What exactly are you proposing we do to 'secure' our border and how much do you propose we spend 'securing' it? Should we spend millions, billions, or hundreds of billions? How much money should we put on our nations credit card to build a fence thousands of miles long?

    How high should we build the fence? Should we then try to pressure Mexico into passing a law that outlaws ladders being taller than the fence we build? The United States would also need to pass a law criminalizing ladders of a certain length being available in America in case the illegals have people helping them out on this side of the border. That law would inevitably have to give police the authority to go house to house and search people for possessing illegal ladders.

    Should we also build a fence along our 3,000 mile border with Canada? You do understand that most Europeans and Middle Easterners cross via our northern border, right? I know the only thing that scares xenophobic Americans more than those pesky Latino's is terrorists, so I'm sure you're on board with militarizing our northern border as well, correct? It only makes sense for us to be equal opportunity xenophobes.

    This entire discussion is a joke. It is literally impossible to 'secure' a border that is thousands of miles long. I just love how supposedly compassionate Christian people will do whatever it takes to keep Latino's out, but turn a blind eye to the fact that hundreds of thousands of people flood in from our northern border. I guess these patriotic and god fearing Americans tend to look the other way when people who look more like them come here illegally, but when people of another color do it, then we need to pass new laws and spend billions of dollars on the credit card to keep them out.
    The solution is simple, place the national guard along the border along with the Border patrol and also the use of drones would be of help, the cost ,should be a lot less than the 3 billion dollars we are now spending to not secure the border, a fence is feasible in some locations along the border but not the entire length, the loss of AID dollars to those Central American countries where the bulk of these latest illegals are stemming from to equal the cost of housing, and the added health care cost should be an incentive to those countries to deter the illegal immigration of their citizens. These are actions that the President can do with the "Pen & Phone" threat that he espouses. What we do need right now is less rhetoric and more action. Would you buy new rugs if your roof leaks, of course not , you would fix the leak first, same principal.
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    johnnycee Wrote:The solution is simple, place the national guard along the border along with the Border patrol and also the use of drones would be of help,
    Everyone's favorite old school neocon Brit Hume called out Rick Perry on this exact issue today. The National Guard does not have the legal authority to shoot at foreign nationals. As Brit Hume asked Rick Perry--what exactly will they do? They do not have legal authority to apprehend or shoot at any foreign national. Should we send them down to the border to waive hello to everyone crossing the Rio Grande?

    Another thing you keep refusing to talk about is that Republicans have blocked adding extra funding for additional border patrol officers. You know what legislation would have doubled the under funded and under staffed border patrol agency? I'll give you one hint--it's the only immigration legislation that has been passed by either chamber. It's easy to say add more money! Add more people! But the President is no king and he can not just double the size of the border enforcement at will.

    johnnycee Wrote: the cost ,should be a lot less than the 3 billion dollars we are now spending to not secure the border, a fence is feasible in some locations along the border but not the entire length,
    We already have hundreds of miles of fence along the most well traveled parts of our southern border with Mexico. We currently have 580 miles of fence on that border. Where exactly are you proposing that we add more fence to that we haven't already? And you didn't answer my question about the ladder builders.


    johnnycee Wrote: the loss of AID dollars to those Central American countries where the bulk of these latest illegals are stemming from to equal the cost of housing, and the added health care cost should be an incentive to those countries to deter the illegal immigration of their citizens. These are actions that the President can do with the "Pen & Phone" threat that he espouses. What we do need right now is less rhetoric and more action. Would you buy new rugs if your roof leaks, of course not , you would fix the leak first, same principal.
    Net immigration from our southern border is still at zero. A few hundred kids being caught is not going to change that. And that is absolutely insane to cut off aid for Central American countries that are dealing with civil war. Civil wars, mind you, that we helped create by our crazy 'War on Drugs.' You want to see a real migration from Central to North America? Cut off all funding for Central American countries. As I said before--your inability to think outside of the box is exhibit A of why our country is filled with xenophobes who want to just kick everyone out who doesn't look like them.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote:The solution is simple, place the national guard along the border along with the Border patrol and also the use of drones would be of help,
    Everyone's favorite old school neocon Brit Hume called out Rick Perry on this exact issue today. The National Guard does not have the legal authority to shoot at foreign nationals. As Brit Hume asked Rick Perry--what exactly will they do? They do not have legal authority to apprehend or shoot at any foreign national. Should we send them down to the border to waive hello to everyone crossing the Rio Grande?

    Another thing you keep refusing to talk about is that Republicans have blocked adding extra funding for additional border patrol officers. You know what legislation would have doubled the under funded and under staffed border patrol agency? I'll give you one hint--it's the only immigration legislation that has been passed by either chamber. It's easy to say add more money! Add more people! But the President is no king and he can not just double the size of the border enforcement at will.

    johnnycee Wrote: the cost ,should be a lot less than the 3 billion dollars we are now spending to not secure the border, a fence is feasible in some locations along the border but not the entire length,
    We already have hundreds of miles of fence along the most well traveled parts of our southern border with Mexico. We currently have 580 miles of fence on that border. Where exactly are you proposing that we add more fence to that we haven't already? And you didn't answer my question about the ladder builders.


    johnnycee Wrote: the loss of AID dollars to those Central American countries where the bulk of these latest illegals are stemming from to equal the cost of housing, and the added health care cost should be an incentive to those countries to deter the illegal immigration of their citizens. These are actions that the President can do with the "Pen & Phone" threat that he espouses. What we do need right now is less rhetoric and more action. Would you buy new rugs if your roof leaks, of course not , you would fix the leak first, same principal.
    Net immigration from our southern border is still at zero. A few hundred kids being caught is not going to change that. And that is absolutely insane to cut off aid for Central American countries that are dealing with civil war. Civil wars, mind you, that we helped create by our crazy 'War on Drugs.' You want to see a real migration from Central to North America? Cut off all funding for Central American countries. As I said before--your inability to think outside of the box is exhibit A of why our country is filled with xenophobes who want to just kick everyone out who doesn't look like them.





    You along with several other die hard democrats refuse to believe that the solution is as simple as securing the borders, you want to discuss all this nonsense about costs when the President is asking for 3 + billion dollars for just humanitarism reasons for these illegals, you add to that your reasoning about republicans blocking funding effort when again the solution is simple , grant them their border security issues and see what happens, by not granting them their border issue ,maybe is one of the reason why we are here at this stalemate, hell if they can pass a 2000 page document without reading then they should be able to pass this reform with the lead being the border security requirement, now as far the National guard shooting anyone, if the President can order the National Guard to deploy to a foreign country to fire on and kill other foreign nationals I am sure this legal dilemma can be resolved to prevent this mass immigration to our country with very little trouble, you question about ladders is dumb, enough said about that! My solution ,or as what you refer to as my proposal, was not to build to build a fence, I stated quite clearly to build a fence where feasible, that is my idea, I do know the entire geography of the border area, so I will let the civil engineers and military engineers figure that one out .
    As for cutting off AID why not,? We spend untold millions on keeping up the safety and other needs for these people, so if they come here and get the same AID or better then we should balance the amount of dollars spent on their care while they are here,, we can's spend at both ends. BTW I am second born here ,I am a far cry from a being a xenophobe, I still have relatives on the island and in Mexico, I do think outside of the box this is why you attack me as a xenophobe ,or a republican or an Obama hater, what is your solution other than having open borders and blaming the GOP for all of the countries ills, while the poor democrats can only stand and wring their hands in despair. Come on now , you can think outside of the Democratic talking points box.
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    I know many don't like this idea but I would use our military. They get paid to do something. They get paid if they do nothing. It's a job they already have. Finally a peaceful use of drones with nobody dying. We need to make a statement as well. Imagine if you flew in from anywhere in the world and on arrival suggested that you weren't going to agree to go through customs. How long before you're in jail. My bet is less than an hour. Even if you told customs that you're from Central America.

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    johnnycee Wrote: You along with several other die hard democrats refuse to believe that the solution is as simple as securing the borders,
    I find it mind-bogglingly difficult to have an actual debate with someone who doesn't understand the functions of our government. Instead of debating things in an educated way, you always resort to name calling and accusing others who disagree with you as being party line loyalists when you don't have anything legitimate to add to an argument.

    It is not as simple as securing the borders. As I have repeatedly said, net immigration is at zero. ZERO! You continue to use Republican talking points about 'securing our border' but have absolutely zero idea what that means or what it entails. I provide you facts about the Senate bill doubling border patrol and you call me a party hack in return because you can't think of anything better to say. Your inability to debate people in a civilized and educated manor is quite sad if you ask me.

    johnnycee Wrote: the solution is simple , grant them their border security issues and see what happens, by not granting them their border issue ,maybe is one of the reason why we are here at this stalemate,
    How in the world can you call yourself an 'independent thinker?' Our Government is not supposed to function by one half of one branch taking the entire system hostage and then screaming that if we only gave them their way then they would deal. So you are suggesting that the Democrats, who have already passed a comprehensive immigration bill, just completely surrender to House Republicans and give them everything they want and then 'hope' the House Republicans come to the bargaining table afterwards? Have you any idea how our government is supposed to function?

    Who really sounds like the party line ideologue? You, who bows down to Republican dogma and wonders why the Democrats just won't give the Republicans everything they want. or me, someone who actually understands how the Government works and suggests the House actually pass a bill that can go to conference to have the issues worked out? It's quite easy to level ad hominem attacks against people, but it's another thing to actually back up your attacks with some facts of your own. You, unfortunately, sorely lack in that department on a host of issues.

    johnnycee Wrote:now as far the National guard shooting anyone, if the President can order the National Guard to deploy to a foreign country to fire on and kill other foreign nationals I am sure this legal dilemma can be resolved to prevent this mass immigration to our country with very little trouble,
    Where are you getting this information from? The National Guard can not, under any circumstances, fire on foreign nationals attempting to enter the United States. And did you seriously, as a supposedly righteous and Christian man, just propose that we pass a law giving United States soldiers the authority to fire on unarmed women and children? What would your savior think of you? That is sickening beyond belief.

    johnnycee Wrote: I stated quite clearly to build a fence where feasible, that is my idea,
    We have

    johnnycee Wrote: I do know the entire geography of the border area, so I will let the civil engineers and military engineers figure that one out .
    They have and we have already built a fence where these civil engineers and military engineers suggested. I encourage you to actually read up on the issue before continuing to insist we haven't. You are wrong.

    johnnycee Wrote: what is your solution other than having open borders and blaming the GOP for all of the countries ills, while the poor democrats can only stand and wring their hands in despair. Come on now , you can think outside of the Democratic talking points box.
    My solution is to have comprehensive immigration reform addressing the root cause of the problem. A border fence is not the root cause. A broken immigration system that takes advantage undocumented people is the main cause. And you can insist you are not a xenophobe all you like, but that doesn't make it so. The words you write on this site show otherwise and I will let other members of this site read what you have written on a variety of topics and make up their own minds about it.
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    johnnycee Wrote: You along with several other die hard democrats refuse to believe that the solution is as simple as securing the borders,
    I find it mind-bogglingly difficult to have an actual debate with someone who doesn't understand the functions of our government. Instead of debating things in an educated way, you always resort to name calling and accusing others who disagree with you as being party line loyalists when you don't have anything legitimate to add to an argument.

    It is not as simple as securing the borders. As I have repeatedly said, net immigration is at zero. ZERO! You continue to use Republican talking points about 'securing our border' but have absolutely zero idea what that means or what it entails. I provide you facts about the Senate bill doubling border patrol and you call me a party hack in return because you can't think of anything better to say. Your inability to debate people in a civilized and educated manor is quite sad if you ask me.

    johnnycee Wrote: the solution is simple , grant them their border security issues and see what happens, by not granting them their border issue ,maybe is one of the reason why we are here at this stalemate,
    How in the world can you call yourself an 'independent thinker?' Our Government is not supposed to function by one half of one branch taking the entire system hostage and then screaming that if we only gave them their way then they would deal. So you are suggesting that the Democrats, who have already passed a comprehensive immigration bill, just completely surrender to House Republicans and give them everything they want and then 'hope' the House Republicans come to the bargaining table afterwards? Have you any idea how our government is supposed to function?

    Who really sounds like the party line ideologue? You, who bows down to Republican dogma and wonders why the Democrats just won't give the Republicans everything they want. or me, someone who actually understands how the Government works and suggests the House actually pass a bill that can go to conference to have the issues worked out? It's quite easy to level ad hominem attacks against people, but it's another thing to actually back up your attacks with some facts of your own. You, unfortunately, sorely lack in that department on a host of issues.

    johnnycee Wrote:now as far the National guard shooting anyone, if the President can order the National Guard to deploy to a foreign country to fire on and kill other foreign nationals I am sure this legal dilemma can be resolved to prevent this mass immigration to our country with very little trouble,
    Where are you getting this information from? The National Guard can not, under any circumstances, fire on foreign nationals attempting to enter the United States. And did you seriously, as a supposedly righteous and Christian man, just propose that we pass a law giving United States soldiers the authority to fire on unarmed women and children? What would your savior think of you? That is sickening beyond belief.

    johnnycee Wrote: I stated quite clearly to build a fence where feasible, that is my idea,
    We have





    johnnycee Wrote: I do know the entire geography of the border area, so I will let the civil engineers and military engineers figure that one out .
    They have and we have already built a fence where these civil engineers and military engineers suggested. I encourage you to actually read up on the issue before continuing to insist we haven't. You are wrong.

    johnnycee Wrote: what is your solution other than having open borders and blaming the GOP for all of the countries ills, while the poor democrats can only stand and wring their hands in despair. Come on now , you can think outside of the Democratic talking points box.
    My solution is to have comprehensive immigration reform addressing the root cause of the problem. A border fence is not the root cause. A broken immigration system that takes advantage undocumented people is the main cause. And you can insist you are not a xenophobe all you like, but that doesn't make it so. The words you write on this site show otherwise and I will let other members of this site read what you have written on a variety of topics and make up their own minds about it.
    Where do I begin to answer your insane posting, first of all you called me a xenophobe for my idea for illegal immigrants, all I said was that you are toeing the Democratic party line, that is some vicious name calling LOL, now you are telling me that none of the national guardsman that were shipped off to the Middle East have never fired a shot at any enemy combatants, because they are not allowed too and who said that they will be authorized to fire on women and children, where oh where do you get these ideas , back to the fence issue, which it appears that it bothers you that I mentioned that a fence should placed where it's feasible, and not along the entire length of the border, but this is what you do best, it's called deflection, I also mentioned that the national guard and some drones and additional border patrols will suffice, and then you try to deflect again the debate to a religious undertone, by remarking on where is my Christianity, it is in the Bible, I won't give you chapter and verse other than to say it's in one of Paul's letters. look it up yourself, it says clearly a man does not starve his own household to feed another, share yes but not to hurt your own family, now everyone wants comprehensive immigration reform its just that the GOP wants the border secured first, how is that blocking reform , unless the Democrats don't want to secure the border first and BTW, I agree with Pelosia about fixing the root cause, we just differ on what is the root cause, to me the root cause is the unchecked illegal immigration of anyone who chooses to use our southern border as a entry point. Now about the illegals being taken advantage of, well guess what sunshine, the legal immigrants have been taken advantage of since time immortal, just ask the Irish, the Italians the Poles or any other ethnic group that came here legally let alone illegally about whether or not they were treated fairly. Independent thinking is the opposite of a closed and narrow minded person, and it angers them to no end that we don't understand the concept of the greater good for all.
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    Johnnycee --- I agree with Jared. All you ever regurgitate is Republican talkng points...or should I say Tea Party taking points that are directed to the stupid base.

    Since this post was about children crossing the border, most of them just along the Rio Grande river, tell me how a drone is going to stop children from crossing the river.

    And are you going to build that fence in the middle of the river.

    And as I mentioned (as did Jared) what the hell will these National Guard troops do? Shoot the children in the river?

    The National Guard troops, the additional fence, the drones...none of them will be effective in stopping children that want to be caught by the border guards. They are not sneaking into the country. They are deliberately crossing at points where they can be immediately taken into custody by border guards. And at that point they are subject to an entirely different set of laws. What don't you understand about that?

    It's called the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008. Have you heard of it?

    All you do is repeat again and again and again the right wing talking points...nothing that Jared or I say seems to register. Everything is dismissed. You sure sound like a Tea Party person...you hate Democrats. Then why are you on the Democratic Hub? Maybe you should go over to Red State where you'll find more radical views like yours.
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    Although you feel it's all about the children you seem to forget who else is coming into this country, we have to secure the border and then have a comprehensive reform of our immigration policy, so what you are saying is that all democrats feel that securing the border is secondary to any comprehensive reform and any,like myself who disagrees with the democratic point of view,aka Talking points must be a TEA Party member or at least a Republican in disguise, do you really believe that open borders is a viable alternative to a flawed immigration policy, do you really want a discussion about this immigration fiasco or do you just want an affirmation of your own points of view. The Wilber Act was enacted to prevent the trafficating of humans especially children, these children are not in that situation nor are the accompanying adults, so try as you might this Act does not pertain to this issue. Also I don't hate Democrats nor do I hate Republicans, I just don't go along in lock step without any free thought of my own, I have often stated that both sides of the aisle are responsible for this situation we are in, and it's because of the lack of free thought that is to blame.
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    If the Republicans are so "gung ho" about securing the borders, WHY did they NOT do it under Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Daddy Bush, & George "W"?
    And why do they REFUSE to get anything done in this regard by assisting ideas of President Obama? Just pure obstructionism, which has gone so deep that I prefer to call it what it is. It is Treason against our Govt, to refuse to "recognize" our duly elected Chief Executive. (President Obama).

    The GOP simply refuse to acknowledge that we had TWO elections which elected Barack Obama, & that this President certainly meets and exceeds all the qualifications required by our Constitution. (Repeat: "exceeds" all qualifications required). He is a far superior man, in both his education, & his moral character, to ANY Republican President elected in the 20th & 21st century.

    Pontius Pilate said at the crucifixion of Jesus Christ: "I find no fault in this man." Luke 23:4 / "I am innocent of the blood of this just person." (washing his hands). Matthew 27:24 / "I find in him no fault at all." John 18:38 / [Bible quotes of Pontius Pilate as told by 3 of Jesus disciples].
    (But the people had been told LIES about Jesus, so they all voted to have him crucified,--- by the fervored screaming of the crowd).

    Obama has been persecuted, in every way possible, with lies, distortions, exaggerations & the most agregious slanderous deceit, seldom ever seen in American politics. Obama is so far above his mean-spirited (& mentally challenged) opponents, that there is no possible way to even measure it.

    But it reminds me of one other man who was previously assailed with similar false allegations, using a big "propaganda" machine; It was John F. Kennedy, & HE was MURDERED exactly FIFTY YRS AGO, (killed by the GOP), because the Birch Society wanted to get "their" men into office, asap & did not want to wait for Kennedy to serve out his term, get re-elected, etc, so they KILLED HIM. If all the phoney stories about Oswald had been true, WHY were the real RECORDS SEALED, "not to be open to the public" until the year 2017 ? (NOT YET HERE) & some are to be kept sealed to the year 2029). (When all the people who remember JFK, or cared, would probably be safely dead). (Leaving the truly guilty ones totally unpunished).

    If any further PROOF is required, just think about the amazing "coincidence" when his brother Robt Kennedy was also MURDERED 5 YRS LATER (1968) when HE was running for President? (Just think about it) -- The right wing GOP (& Birchers) HATED any liberals, (just like they do now) & since they were afraid Robt Kennedy was going to be easily elected, -- they just did a "coup 'd etat" & "erased" him, so they could put in a (GOP) more desirable candidate like "Tricky Dick Nixon." (These murders were done by agents of early JBS -- John Birch Society) which NOW is giving President Obama a whole lot of grief, using the same "propaganda machine" of filthy GOP LIES.

    But now the Birch Society is known as THE TEA PARTY, that's financed & run by the KOCH BROTHERS. Their daddy was on JBS national council, (after living in the Soviet Union, learning petroleum contracts, with Communist leader Joseph Stalin). After working for Stalin, daddy Fred Koch, came back to USA & got on the National Council of JBS, (founded in 1958, by Robt Welch), who famously said, "The United States is NOT a "Democracy" and never was supposed to be one." (Which is totally False, of course) BUT the LIES of Robt Welch are still being taught all over the US now. (Which you may notice coincide WELL with Communist ideals of Joseph Stalin, (USSR), a good pal of Fred KOCH (of U.S. big OIL) & JBS.

    Extremist "obstructionist" tactics of the JBS/Tea Party are working (deliberately) to undermine & destroy our Democracy. As you know, democracy is the "government of the people, by the people, for the people" --- which means We ALL VOTE for our LEADERS, so that we may pick the very BEST people to lead us, with fairness, equality, & human dignity. They are elected to "represent us" the way we would vote, & to take care of our national business the way WE would do it, if we all could go to Washington & vote ourselves. Our Congressmen are to do NOTHING but do as WE would want them to do -- they are not to vote to bribe officials, to profit off of policies, or to start wars, that the "people" do not want.

    But under right-wing (GOP) officials, they have taken the idea that THEY are the "rulers" over us, they have the power to do anything they want, no matter what the People think. (In other words, they are violating the very essence & spirit of the Constitution). And if they violate that, they do not deserve to stay in Congress, & should NOT be ALLOWED to remain in Wash, D.C. - OR to "cash" their govt paychecks. (By doing so, they are robbing we the people, & our money should be "refunded" immediately. THEN maybe we can afford our infrastructure to be fixed, or to guard the borders.
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    johnnycee Wrote: Although you feel it's all about the children you seem to forget who else is coming into this country, we have to secure the border and then have a comprehensive reform of our immigration policy, so what you are saying is that all democrats feel that securing the border is secondary to any comprehensive reform and any,like myself who disagrees with the democratic point of view,aka Talking points must be a TEA Party member or at least a Republican in disguise, do you really believe that open borders is a viable alternative to a flawed immigration policy, do you really want a discussion about this immigration fiasco or do you just want an affirmation of your own points of view. The Wilber Act was enacted to prevent the trafficating of humans especially children, these children are not in that situation nor are the accompanying adults, so try as you might this Act does not pertain to this issue. Also I don't hate Democrats nor do I hate Republicans, I just don't go along in lock step without any free thought of my own, I have often stated that both sides of the aisle are responsible for this situation we are in, and it's because of the lack of free thought that is to blame.
    Johnnycee ---

    Look everything you have asked for is contained in the Senate bill 744 passed by a 68-32 vote in the Senate a year ago, but not taken up by the Boehner and his Republican Tea Party extortionists in the House. It's 844 pages and includes a long laundry list of Republican demands...everything. Essentially by giving into Republican demands, President Obama and the Democrats are calling the Republican bluff.

    If you don't want to read the 844 pages, a summary is contained here from Wikipedia:

    Wikipedia: Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013

    The bill would extend fencing for a total of 700 miles with a goal of apprehending 9 out of every 10 immigrants who attempt to enter the country at these points.

    It allocates $46.3 billion for border enforcement...including doubling to 40,000 the number of border agents.

    It includes money for even more drones beyond what are flying now.

    But it also would require all employers to use the government’s Electronic Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS) to verify the employment eligibility of newly hired employees. I don't think many Republicans like that provision.

    And it would also provide a path for eventual citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants who have resided in thew USA before December 31, 2011.

    Do you support this bill? If you don't why not? The feeling in Washington D.C. is that it would pass if Boehner didn't succumb to Tea Party pressure and keep it from coming to a vote.

    This bill, of course, would not cover the humanitarian refugee crisis of the refugee children. That would be covered under Obama's $3.7 billion legislative proposal.

    Tea Party Republicans in Congress want neither bill. They like the status quo and will never lift a finger to fix or alleviate the problem. Their cry is "Secure the Border". That's not a call for action. It's an excuse for INACTION. They know that the border can never be 100 percent secure, so as long as they keep making that demand, Secure the Border, secure the border, secure the border, they know they will never have to do anything...nada.
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    Let me add a footnote to my last post.

    Dallas Morning News, July 12, 2014: Poverty, violence fuel exodus of youths from Honduras to U.S.

    It's a good article and I won't begin to paraphrase it. For anyone that questions the validity of the humanitarian crisis, I recommend you read it. It's shocking.
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    I most certainly agree with most of the Bill, the dream part has me concerned, so secure the Bill First, then discuss, not force a Bill thru the House with many concerned about the Dream Act portion, aka Amnesty., which I do not agree with.