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Obama requests $3.7 billion to stem tide of children refugees


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    Johnnycee -- Do you feel threatened by these children? Are the border agents "dumping them", as you put it, into your neighborhood in Philadelphia?

    I'm amazed how much paranoia and ignorance there is about these children from the right, and I just wonder...what the hell do they fear? Some have signs up saying they are bringing diseases into the country. It's just the opposite. They have mostly all been vaccinated against the normal diseases by their country and at a higher rate than in the USA where paranoia and misconceptions about vaccinations have caused new epidemics of measles, whopping cough and whatever. Some of the protestors signs are just plain racist...hateful. Why? BTW...I have yet to spy one protester that wasn't white. They are vocal and yelling all kinds of hateful stuff that makes me cringe and ashamed.

    If you look at the history of immigration in this country...legal and illegal...those that have aspired to come here and make a new life, have indeed contributed to society and our economic growth. They become model citizens in every respect...many kids are class valedictorians. They serve in the military. With that kind of tract record, why do people hate them?

    I have already said you and I will never agree on this one. So I'll let it go.
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    I am a firm believer in not allowing my children to starve while I feed someone else's child, in this country there are perhaps thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of our very own children suffering poverty, lack of medical care, increased dangers from sexual predators ,gang violence and just being victims of ordinary crime, we won't get into our school systems, especially in the inner cities and in some cases the real rural areas of our Nation, no I don't fear them per se, I am just more concerned about the added burden being placed on our already limited resources and by the show of total indifference shown by so many of our legislators from both sides of the aisle, and yet these same legislators will go all out to show cause for concern for humanitarism reasons of course, for these illegal immigrants while ignoring the same problem here in our country. Surely you can agree with me on that issue.
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    The answer to that is to kick all the Tea Party Republicans out of office that refuse to do anything, get a Congress that will approve sorely needed infrastaructure projects around America to provide jobs and improve our society as a whole, put more money into education and schools, and put more money into research, especially renewable energy sources.

    The reason the poor are doing poorly in America, land of plenty, is because Republicans in Congress are more consumed by hate and ideology than they are in helping others. They are obsessed with stopping anything Obama proposes no matter that it hurts their very constituents.

    We have many workers that are sitting idle while we have a crumbling infrastructure that they could help rebuild. It's all politics. Republicans do not have the will to help fix the problem.

    Without the obstructionism of Republicans, Obama would have this country on a path to prosperity, where the infighting would certainly be less. The Tea Party (aka John Birch Society) is a cancer on our Democratic institutions. They are the enemy within.
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    Now you sound like a party hack, you can't keep on placing blame elsewhere, on immigration reform all the GOP said was before real reform is discussed secure the borders, the Senate refuses also to put any of the House Bills up for vote, come on now , this is truly a bi-partisian effort to stall this process, what everyone seems to forget is that the job of Congress is aid in governing this country, and not just appealing to the Party loyalists, the first two years of this Administration the Democrats controlled the entire process, both House's and the Presidency, and still they couldn't get any through. Removing the GFOP or the Taxed Enough Already Party will not resolve any problems, one party rule is really a terrible thing to accept and breeds even more corruption.
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    What immigration bill has the House passed that the Senate refuses to take up for a vote? You're just making things up now. The senate bill also militarizes our border, just as you so dearly wish for. What exactly do you want that the senate bill didn't address? Did you even bother reading it before making up your mind about what it does and doesn't do? And divided government can be a good thing if both sides want to actually do things. You have complete paralysis when one side only wants our president and the nation to fail in the hopes of winning the next election. This joke of a lawsuit the House is bringing against the Administration is exhibit A of this. They know they stand absolutely zero chance in this upcoming lawsuit, but that doesn't matter to them. They just want to get their base all hot and bothered at the expense of actually doing some governing in this country. What exactly are you saying the House has passed this Congress that is so great? To the contrary, you are the one who sounds like a party hack, but unfortunately it's always on the Republican side. In fact, I must admit I have yet to ever see you stand up for a Democrat or Democratic priorities one time, yet you keep insisting that you are an independent mind. Can you tell members on this site where you differ with the Republican Party on any issue at all? Or even better--can you tell our members where you agree with one, just one, Democratic priority?
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    Still sounding like a party hack, Sen. Reid has on numerous occasions told the House that when their Bill regarding immigration reform comes over for a vote ,he will not put it up for vote unless there is no language about securing the borders first. You look it up, you are the who disbelieves anyone who has any thing critical to say about this Administration and try to be honest with yourself and look at things with a critical eye instead of defending the undefensible.
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    I agree with the Democrats on needing immigration reform, only I think it begins with securing the borders, I always felt that there should be a health care reform , just not this monstrosity called the Affordable Care Act, I supported our leaving the Mid-East debacle, just not with our tails between our legs, need more proof that I don't support Democrat views or ideas, but my political leanings is not the question here, it's about this mess on our southern borders that this Administration chose to ignore and in some circles there are some who feel that his Administration has had a hand in it to further the agenda of immigration reform. Do we send them back or do we bill the respective Countries via AID dollars for the cost of housing, feeding and the health care that so many seem to need, or do you have a better cost effective and humane way of dealing with this problem

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    johnnycee Wrote: Sen. Reid has on numerous occasions told the House that when their Bill regarding immigration reform comes over for a vote ,he will not put it up for vote unless there is no language about securing the borders first. You look it up, you are the who disbelieves anyone who has any thing critical to say about this Administration and try to be honest with yourself and look at things with a critical eye instead of defending the undefensible.
    Now you are just talking absolute nonsense. Come on now. You just wrote that the House passed a bill the Senate wouldn't take up. That is one hundred percent false. You wrote "the Senate refuses also to put any of the House Bills up for vote [sic]" What exact House bill are you referring to? Please inform me of any immigration bill the House has passed at all.

    Once I caught you up in that lie, you seem to backtrack and say the House won't vote on a bill because they don't like the Senate version. That is the entire point of our Constitutional democracy. The House needs to come up with something and then they can go to conference. Have you ever taken a civics class?

    The Senate, the institution Harry Reid happens to lead, passed immigration reform that would inject billions upon billions of dollars into extra border security. Where are you getting this nonsensical propaganda you keep throwing out that their bill doesn't do that? I have read the entire Senate bill. I have studied this issue. Where are you getting this information you keep throwing out as fact? You keep insisting that the House is some holier than thou institution that just wants to protect America's borders. Tell me exactly what they have passed when it comes to immigration reform.

    And please stop telling me to look at things with a critical eye. I actually read things before I form an opinion on them.

    johnnycee Wrote: I agree with the Democrats on needing immigration reform, only I think it begins with securing the borders,
    The Senate bill does this. You just refuse to accept it. Please inform me how the Senate bill doesn't do this. Spare me the generalities and actually come up with some concrete facts to back up your wild accusations.

    johnnycee Wrote: I always felt that there should be a health care reform , just not this monstrosity called the Affordable Care Act,
    What exactly do you propose then? Please explain how this is a monstrosity without putting forward the typical Republican talking points, which you so often do. I'll be interested to see if you can do this for once.

    johnnycee Wrote: it's about this mess on our southern borders that this Administration chose to ignore and in some circles there are some who feel that his Administration has had a hand in it to further the agenda of immigration reform. Do we send them back or do we bill the respective Countries via AID dollars for the cost of housing, feeding and the health care that so many seem to need, or do you have a better cost effective and humane way of dealing with this problem
    Now you are just talking crazy talk. Who are you talking about when you say "there are some who feel that his Administration has had a hand in it to further the agenda of immigration reform"? This is sheer lunacy. Stop speaking in sweeping generalities and back up what you're saying with some concrete facts. You want to blame the executive when it benefits you and let the Congress off when it benefits you. The President is not a king. He can not just waive a wand and fix the problems plaguing our country. You look at the world through your prism and neglect to think critically about anything outside of the box you've painted yourself into. The world is far more complex than that and I'm glad our Government and the general population aren't on the same page as you.
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    Party Hack ? Find a mirror........ You republicans make me sick. The major complaint against congress is that they are stealing a wage (at tax payers expense) while not doing a damn thing to earn it. Partisan only politics is ignorant - as are the voters that continue to elect them. Blaming the president for the border issue is very selective thinking. I saw on the news tonight that approx. 1,000 women and children a day are being apprehended in Texas. Some are children traveling with a group but not accompanied by a parent or any other relative. Why are we not blaming Rick Perry for not controlling his state. They are mostly from Central America. Most take 10 - 14 days before arriving at the Rio Grande. I do think it's crazy to not put 4 or 5,000 soldiers across the southern border to stop this flood of persons that we can't afford to accept. Drones to scout the area would be a wise use of time and expense as well. Otherwise we should just build a few pedestrian bridges across to make it easier. Hell, why are we forcing them to swim (sarcasm).
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    TJ Wrote: Party Hack ? Find a mirror........ You republicans make me sick. The major complaint against congress is that they are stealing a wage (at tax payers expense) while not doing a damn thing to earn it. Partisan only politics is ignorant - as are the voters that continue to elect them. Blaming the president for the border issue is very selective thinking. I saw on the news tonight that approx. 1,000 women and children a day are being apprehended in Texas. Some are children traveling with a group but not accompanied by a parent or any other relative. Why are we not blaming Rick Perry for not controlling his state. They are mostly from Central America. Most take 10 - 14 days before arriving at the Rio Grande. I do think it's crazy to not put 4 or 5,000 soldiers across the southern border to stop this flood of persons that we can't afford to accept. Drones to scout the area would be a wise use of time and expense as well. Otherwise we should just build a few pedestrian bridges across to make it easier. Hell, why are we forcing them to swim (sarcasm).
    You think me a republican because I don't toe the Democratic Party Line of all things bad are the GOP's fault, get serious, both sides of the aisle are to blame for this, both allowed party politics to come before governing, the President will only think about sending National Guardsmen to the border, he also wants to spend 3 Billion + dollars to assist in helping these illegal immigrants while only earmarking some chump change to the border patrol, and yes they are from mostly Central American Countries, but Mexico is allowing them to traverse their country unimpeded, which makes them illegal immigrants in Mexico also, this does not happen without the co-operation of high officials from both the USA and Mexico, corruption knows no international boundries , the President is the key to any resolution but he seems to reluctant to take any definitive action to resolve other than to press for immigration reform without securing the border first, why?
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    Playing politics over a bunch of kids is sick; both parties are guilty of that. The thing which I find typical though is the 3 billion bucks which irritates me the most because likely this money will end up again in certain pockets and will not solve the situation. Especially if some of that money goes to the countries involved then you know for sure where it ends up. Our government throws money around like crazy all over the world; any positive results ever measured by doing so? Will we ever learn?
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    Just to be clear. The Republican plan for immigration reform consists of only three words. Secure the Border! Full stop. That's all. Nothing more. Nada más.

    So what does "Secure the border" really mean in terms of numbers or effectiveness. No one knows or cares. If someone can prove that the border is 90 percent secure, they'll demand more...if it's 95 percent, they demand more...if it's 100 percent they'll dismiss the number. The border is not secure! As this ProPublica article shows, we keep throwing money at the problem, but it's never enough.

    ProPublica, April 26, 2013: Billions Proposed for New Border Security. Where Would the Money Go?

    "Federal spending on border security is at an all-time high—and it would get even higher under the Gang of Eight’s new plan. The Senate immigration proposal, released last week, would allocate $4.5 billion in the next five years to tighten control of U.S. borders.

    "The U.S. spent nearly $18 billion dollars on immigration enforcement agencies last fiscal year, more than all other law enforcement agencies combined."


    So let's get this straight. The Senate has passed a bill for comprehensive immigration reform, but Boehner's House Republicans have blocked it. It includes an additional $4.8 billion to "secure the border" but the House will not even pass a piece meal bill with that part. That's because Republicans do not want immigration reform in any form...nothing...nada.

    And as long as they can keep shouting, "Secure the border" they never have to take any action on anything. Do nothing. Nada. I'm not doing anything. No estoy haciendo nada!

    And that my friends is the real Republican Immigration Reform plan...No estoy haciendo nada!

    Because by doing a true immigration reform bill with a pass to citizenship, those immigrants might one day vote Democratic. That's a no-no.

    And Dutch, only one side is playing politics with this issue.
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    So, we should follow the money...... If an investigation (a quick one-if there is such a thing) could find out the politicians who employ the illegals as house keepers, landscapers, etc., maybe then it becomes an issue. Republicans/money - I think I've heard of that link before - Many times those who have money, don't like spending it any quicker than needed. ("Good morning Maria, fix me some breakfast"). We all talk about stopping the tide but if the cost of your vegetables went up by 80% there would be lot's of complaining. We can't afford to continue to absorb this cost though. Health care - provided but not paid for is (one of the many factors) going to make us go from 19 trillion to 21 trillion. I think stopping the tide would cause many who employ these folks (on farms and in factories) to consider how much less wealth they would have if suddenly they were faced with the minimum wage. As well as the cost of taxes and withholdings for Medicare, Social Security, etc.

    Anyway, what doe's this have to do with LeBron James ?, oops, back to the subject.
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    Although there's an option is presented to America in securing the border, it would be a inhumane and tragedy in the making if ever approved. That would be make all illegals (since breaking law for intrusion into our borders) to perform work building the border more secure. America could pay them "Minimum" wage with health benefits and detention-like housing. It would not be a picnic for those in this situation, but it would produce a cheap labor force that would pay it's own way and America could see a border being developed more secure.

    Why it would not work is that lawyers would be lining up to sue involved companies and out government from those injured while working. American concerned for the children would desire education for those in detention providing opportunities to meld into our society. Since our Congress is hotly against each other in a toxic relationship, it never be sent to a vote in the House or the Senate. A President would be extremely cautious in signing such a bill supporting this type of border development.

    However, it is an option and it would show just how inhumane our society has become in stopping immigration and people desiring to migrate to America (The Land of the Free).

    This morning on Fareed Zakaria show a question was presented with four countries to select on which one has the most immigration. United States, Turkey, Germany and France were the selections. I though it was trick question and immediately thought America (US) was the answer. I found out later that Germany was the correct answer, where Germany has a 13.1% citizens as non-German born as compared to America with 13% non-American born population. The immigration rates into Germany far surpass America currently.

    I can't help watch the protesters making up the fears of the people and children crossing our borders. Disease, medical issues, poor education, hunger and criminal characters are just some of the reasons protestors are casting opposition to the flight of humanity. Shame, American you can't hide from this drama. So, give the children and people crossing a water, food and a shovel to build the border walls. Better would be, pay them, and beware these people may unionize and give them a labor union to help build the walls.
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    Schmidt Wrote: Just to be clear. The Republican plan for immigration reform consists of only three words. Secure the Border! Full stop. That's all. Nothing more. Nada más.

    So what does "Secure the border" really mean in terms of numbers or effectiveness. No one knows or cares. If someone can prove that the border is 90 percent secure, they'll demand more...if it's 95 percent, they demand more...if it's 100 percent they'll dismiss the number. The border is not secure! As this ProPublica article shows, we keep throwing money at the problem, but it's never enough.

    ProPublica, April 26, 2013: Billions Proposed for New Border Security. Where Would the Money Go?

    "Federal spending on border security is at an all-time high—and it would get even higher under the Gang of Eight’s new plan. The Senate immigration proposal, released last week, would allocate $4.5 billion in the next five years to tighten control of U.S. borders.

    "The U.S. spent nearly $18 billion dollars on immigration enforcement agencies last fiscal year, more than all other law enforcement agencies combined."


    So let's get this straight. The Senate has passed a bill for comprehensive immigration reform, but Boehner's House Republicans have blocked it. It includes an additional $4.8 billion to "secure the border" but the House will not even pass a piece meal bill with that part. That's because Republicans do not want immigration reform in any form...nothing...nada.

    And as long as they can keep shouting, "Secure the border" they never have to take any action on anything. Do nothing. Nada. I'm not doing anything. No estoy haciendo nada!

    And that my friends is the real Republican Immigration Reform plan...No estoy haciendo nada!

    Because by doing a true immigration reform bill with a pass to citizenship, those immigrants might one day vote Democratic. That's a no-no.

    And Dutch, only one side is playing politics with this issue.
    Sorry if you read my mail; it is the politics in both parties to spread "money" around, which may end up in certain pockets and not help the situation; especially if you hand out money to the countries involved. I'm quite sure of it that most of the billions will become un-traceable.