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Dutch this " poor, poor us" routine by the Clintons is not working. It was completely self inflicted wound, she brought it up and now is finding out how stupid it was. Whining about multi-million dollar mortgages, (more than one) is not the way to relate to the average American.
I'm sure that it is true that they were in debt when leaving the White House, but they knew that the first book deal would make them rich. We all knew it, yet she brings it up. What's the point?
Then for them to say they are "not truly well off" when they are worth between 50-200 million...that's just laughable.
This was supposed to be a way to show how much they are like us? What a joke.
Bill is usually smarter than this. Hillary? Maybe she's stupider than I thought, but Bill is normally a very good politician who knows what to say.
Bill Maher is right, she should just "go away" for a while. When she loses ultra lefty comedians, she's REALLY screwed up. She blew it in 08 and who knows, maybe she'll blow it this time, too.
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Tony ..."440,000 euros"... or whatever the amount is ...they make tons of money off the "Clinton Brand". And that's OK, their speeches are worth whatever someone is willing to pay them. That's called capitalism.
The stupid part is to hear them try to make it seem like they are just like us, they struggled so much just to get by with their million dollar mortgages. We've all been there, right? Maybe not.
I don't know of a single person in my town who has signed a book deal for $8,000,000 or $14,000,000, or gets $200,000 for a single speech. Those poor Clintons! Maybe they can get food stamps!
Or at least stop crying about how tough things are.
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Hillary and Bill met in college. Neither of them came from a very wealthy family (like the Bushes, for instance). They must have made it thru college with scholarships (like SMART people, not RICH people do). I can't remember all the stages it took for them to get to upper political circles, but when they did, they deserved it all, it was not handed to them on a silver platter like the Bushes always had.
While in office, the radical right-wing buzzards started every trick in the book (as usual) to try to destroy Bill Clinton. They set up one scandal after another, including the WhiteWater bulloney, they even had right wing preachers saying on Radio broadcasts that Hillary & Bill were actually "witches" and GOP started rumors about socialism, the death of Vince Foster, (which was actually a suicide) & the Paula Jones "yuk" phase. The right wing actually paraded that girl around like she was a saint, when her body was plastered all over Playboy magazine. (12 naked photos of her). The right wing Witch Hunter actually arrested an aide of Clinton's (Susan McDougal) & held her in a tiny prison cell, keeping her chained to her bed without even a book to read, trying to force her to "confess" to some weird thing, but she wouldn't LIE, even under torture. BUT they also arrested her husband, & he DIED in his jail cell, due to the right wing obsession about trying to "get some dirt" on the Clintons.
Then there was the phoney "Monica "affair" -- where the silly GOP actually "impeached" Clinton, but when all was said & done, there were FAR MORE Right Wing GOP having affairs with their aides & secretaries (like Henry Hyde & Newt Gingrich) -- so finally the GOP had to admit Clinton was NOT GUILTY. I repeat NOT GUILTY. So then Clinton got another 4 years in office. But apparently there are "high costs" in defending yourself from crazy insane lawsuits, so by the time they left office, they WERE nearly destitute. (You will note that there is NEVER even ONE GOP who leaves office being nearly destitute, since the GOP always has hundreds of crooked things going on with the stock market & insider trading, plus starting wars in the middle east to steal OIL, which generates huge profits. (Plus the many "genetic" rewards that come from being Born Rich).
Notice that the only candidates for President that leave office POOR are Democrats. Since they are actually "honest" men while in the Oval Office, but the greedy corrupt Republicans always magnify their fortunes, thru back-room deals & "using the power of the Presidency" which are supposed to be illegal and in poor taste. Another example of a good man leaving the White House POOR, is Jimmy Carter. A very good man, who often taught Sunday School, was born in a poor family, had been a peanut farmer, & been in the nuclear dept of the Navy. He did the noble thing & turned his peanut farm over to an independent party while in office. That person drove the farm to bankruptcy, so Carter was broke after being POTUS.
The usual GOP perverts did everything they could to "ruin" Jimmy Carter, who did nothing wrong, but meanwhile the Repubs had decided to "rig" the election in favor of Reagan. They bribed the Ayatollah of Iran (an enemy nation) to hold US hostages 444 days, just so Carter could not get any credit for getting them released. (Polls said if Jimmy had gotten them released earlier, HE WOULD HAVE WON). So GOP envoys bribed IRAN to keep our own embassy staff hostage a few extra months, just so Reagan would win election. To make this deal with IRAN, Reagan had to offer him several of our Hawk missiles & other armaments. This is not only a violation of federal law, it is officially called "Treason." But that didn't stop Ronnie.
So sweet little Jimmy Carter, never did anything wrong, & the GOP committed "election fraud" & even "Treason" to be sure that Reagan got into the Oval Office for the next 4 years. Yep, the crooked GOP never work for the good of the People, they only look out for themselves, & getting RICH from the highest office in the land. This usually means WE the PEOPLE are getting screwed out of OUR money, & getting stuck into fighting more corrupt & unnecessary WARS -- just to fill the OIL coffers of the greedy Republicans. -- When will we ever learn?
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eternal flame Wrote: Hillary and Bill met in college. Neither of them came from a very wealthy family (like the Bushes, for instance). They must have made it thru college with scholarships (like SMART people, not RICH people do). I can't remember all the stages it took for them to get to upper political circles, but when they did, they deserved it all, it was not handed to them on a silver platter like the Bushes always had.
While in office, the radical right-wing buzzards started every trick in the book (as usual) to try to destroy Bill Clinton. They set up one scandal after another, including the WhiteWater bulloney, they even had right wing preachers saying on Radio broadcasts that Hillary & Bill were actually "witches" and GOP started rumors about socialism, the death of Vince Foster, (which was actually a suicide) & the Paula Jones "yuk" phase. The right wing actually paraded that girl around like she was a saint, when her body was plastered all over Playboy magazine. (12 naked photos of her). The right wing Witch Hunter actually arrested an aide of Clinton's (Susan McDougal) & held her in a tiny prison cell, keeping her chained to her bed without even a book to read, trying to force her to "confess" to some weird thing, but she wouldn't LIE, even under torture. BUT they also arrested her husband, & he DIED in his jail cell, due to the right wing obsession about trying to "get some dirt" on the Clintons.
Then there was the phoney "Monica "affair" -- where the silly GOP actually "impeached" Clinton, but when all was said & done, there were FAR MORE Right Wing GOP having affairs with their aides & secretaries (like Henry Hyde & Newt Gingrich) -- so finally the GOP had to admit Clinton was NOT GUILTY. I repeat NOT GUILTY. So then Clinton got another 4 years in office. But apparently there are "high costs" in defending yourself from crazy insane lawsuits, so by the time they left office, they WERE nearly destitute. (You will note that there is NEVER even ONE GOP who leaves office being nearly destitute, since the GOP always has hundreds of crooked things going on with the stock market & insider trading, plus starting wars in the middle east to steal OIL, which generates huge profits. (Plus the many "genetic" rewards that come from being Born Rich).
Notice that the only candidates for President that leave office POOR are Democrats. Since they are actually "honest" men while in the Oval Office, but the greedy corrupt Republicans always magnify their fortunes, thru back-room deals & "using the power of the Presidency" which are supposed to be illegal and in poor taste. Another example of a good man leaving the White House POOR, is Jimmy Carter. A very good man, who often taught Sunday School, was born in a poor family, had been a peanut farmer, & been in the nuclear dept of the Navy. He did the noble thing & turned his peanut farm over to an independent party while in office. That person drove the farm to bankruptcy, so Carter was broke after being POTUS.
The usual GOP perverts did everything they could to "ruin" Jimmy Carter, who did nothing wrong, but meanwhile the Repubs had decided to "rig" the election in favor of Reagan. They bribed the Ayatollah of Iran (an enemy nation) to hold US hostages 444 days, just so Carter could not get any credit for getting them released. (Polls said if Jimmy had gotten them released earlier, HE WOULD HAVE WON). So GOP envoys bribed IRAN to keep our own embassy staff hostage a few extra months, just so Reagan would win election. To make this deal with IRAN, Reagan had to offer him several of our Hawk missiles & other armaments. This is not only a violation of federal law, it is officially called "Treason." But that didn't stop Ronnie.
So sweet little Jimmy Carter, never did anything wrong, & the GOP committed "election fraud" & even "Treason" to be sure that Reagan got into the Oval Office for the next 4 years. Yep, the crooked GOP never work for the good of the People, they only look out for themselves, & getting RICH from the highest office in the land. This usually means WE the PEOPLE are getting screwed out of OUR money, & getting stuck into fighting more corrupt & unnecessary WARS -- just to fill the OIL coffers of the greedy Republicans. -- When will we ever learn? I guess a nice story; however things do not work that way.
Why? The person in the White House is actually not in charge; all the "weasels" around him "influence" him, also to slant media etc. whatever they can do to get it their way. Since this is a country of "money" then corruptions in all layers of government will "paint" the leader as incompetent. It is not only the Republicans. It starts already with the election process; one big currupt elbow pushing affair with millions thrown into the pot. In the end the guy who ends up in the White House got there by "money" and more money. So if afterwards it was a good or bad president; is totally related to on how corrupt the bunch was who influenced him. Right now it is the "generals" who run this country related to Iraq etc. The presidents here have little say. Even under Bush the "generals" were in control not Bush. In Washington you either are part of the culture or you are out; so you are forced to play the game in this corrupt structure.
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Dutch you are right, EF tells a nice story and some of it is true and some of it is not. At least she does finally admit that Clinton was impeached.
True that the Clintons were not born wealthy, they made their money and that's OK. The problem is when Hillary tries to relate to the American people by saying how "dead broke" they were. While that may be correct, they only had to sign their names to multi-million dollar book deals, and make $200,000 speeches to become very wealthy and she knew it would happen...we all knew it.
How is that going to relate to average American voters? Not well.
Americans don't really want to hear her whining about their finances. We have our own financial problems and she can not possibly relate to them as she says she can.
Yes, the Clintons were swallowed up by the corrupt, big money system of politics in Washington decades ago. Hillary is owned by big money and special interests just like all of them are.
Bill Maher is right when he says that Hillary should just "go away" for a while. She is the one who made the mistake of bringing up their financial status, and it was STUPID of her to do so.
Message to Hillary: SHUT UP about money.
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Eternal Flame -- You have covered many of these topics before. I have spent time in the past investigating them, and yes, the evidence is quite strong for every point. I'll just cover a few:
Regarding the contention that Reagan or his surrogates bribed Iranian official to hold the hostages until after the election, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. I have followed up on many of the sources in the past and they sure seem credible to me. Much of it is discussed in the Wikipedia link, October Surprise conspiracy theory, and they label it as a "conspiracy theory" in the sense that the Reaganites conspired to influence the 1980 election by having the Iranians hold the US hostages until after the election...thus avoiding an "October surprise" that would have helped Carter win if the hostages were released before the election. Anyone who has followed up on on the links and books, would have to agree that a compelling case was made for the Reagan conspiracy.
Regarding the Clinton near bankruptcy, that also is true...their legal fees were enormous. But it is also true that they had the potential to earn lots of money once out of office. Should she have highlighted it now? She's trying to get all the loose ends out of the way before she officially announces her candidacy. I don't see any harm in it. It will be long forgotten by that time the election rolls around. And anyway, all we will hear about from Republicans is Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi...no matter the facts.
What the public doesn't understand is that all those investigations on Whitewater and such were indeed a part of a "right wing conspiracy" to tarnish their reputations and drive the Clintons into near backruptcy. It was a fishing expedition that went no where on the original charges, but finally did dig up dirt on his sex life. It's the same thing they are doing now on Benghazi, the IRS, Fast and Furious, anything that might stick with Rupert Murdoch's help.
This is what the plutocracy of the Republican Party does. They are ruthless in their pursuit of power. And they'll use anyone as surrogates to help drive their agenda. Anything goes. The plutocracy is the top 0.1 percent...the military industrial complex, the Wall Street financial oligarchs, the corporatists, and many of the religious leaders who also enjoy their power. They include the upper echelons of the John Birch Society. While we like to name the Koch brothers, there are some other big names that prefer more anonymity.
Sadly, much of the public is gullible...no thought to question anything. It's called the "foxnewsifcation" of their brains...compliments of the Rupert Murdoch psychology playbook.
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Hello Schmidt: Thanks for the encouragement. I know you use only FACTS and LOGIC on this Forum, and you always do your research. It is great to have you on here for "back-up" on those lonely days when politics feels heartless and ruthless.
By now, I think many (or most) Democrats are beginning to realize the "Name of the Game" we are playing with the GOP. It is a game of cunning and stealth on the GOP side, with corrupt tactics as the norm. It is like running against a Mafia organization. (or worse).
One thing that really bothers me, is the right-wing "pretending" that they are so very Religious, which often gets them a big share of the vote, because America is still (approx) 85% Christian. In recent years, we are beginning to have Hindu & Islam & Buddhist increases to statistics. But all those statistics are in constant state of flux, often due to very recent immigration.
Putting on a phoney mantle of God can go a long way to "looking Good" to the naiive people who are just learning to vote, and not sure how to really evaluate a candidate. The GOP have been using fake religion as "sucker bait" to get young voters enticed into their camp. It is a tragedy really, since young people are so inexperienced & often can't even imagine the treachery hiding under the guise of a right-wing "holy roller" ministry. (I confess that I love to watch them on TV) -- the blatant hypocrisy, the twist of scripture, the flagrant "acting" pious, it is all a Comedy if you are really "in the know."
Also, it is nice to have Claire Conner's book to "prove" many points I have been making for YEARS. I KNEW a few Birchers when I was growing up, and the JBS tried to recruit me several times. But Claire knows the "inside scoop" since her Father was actually on the JBS national council, & they had the whole upper echelon of the Birch Society at THEIR HOUSE on a frequent basis. Claire says they had Birch meetings 6 nights a week, with people like Robt Welch (founder of JBS) & Revilo Oliver, & Fred Koch, eating at their dinner table, in their own house. It is fascinating to hear about all her young adventures in the JBS, how she got kicked out of Catholic School several times (due to JBS criticism of her school text books). It is a truly "great read." Her Book: "Wrapped in the Flag" (2013) Beacon Press.
But one of the most important things: She actually mentions that she saw the JFK motorcade in Dallas on Nov 22, 1963. She waved at JFK as they drove past her, & she saw the "Wanted for Treason" handbills, and the "JFK TREASON" headline in the Dallas News on that day. She said it all sounded just like her father could have written it. When she called him in Chicago, he said to watch what she said, & told her to "get a lawyer." She asked "Why?" and he said JFK was murdered & the Govt might try to prove the Birch Society did it. She asked, "Well, DID you?" (He hung up without answering). Later that week, he said "JFK was a traitor and a commie, & he got killed by his own." (Very typical Birch talk).
A COUPLE of QUOTES from Claire Conner's Book, giving clues about ads & their connection to the Birch Society:
(p.115) Among items the Warren Commission studied was the infamous "Wanted for Treason" poster that had appeared all over Dallas, the same one I'd picked up on November 22, and identified as something my father might have written. The man who created the handbill, Robert Surrey, was a right-wing activist, and an associate of Major-General Edwin Walker. General Walker was a hero of the John Birch Society, & my father's friend.
In 1964, mother sent me a booklet titled "The Assassination Story" compiled of articles in the Dallas Morning News and Dallas Times Herald between Nov 15 & Dec 11, 1963. It was the work of R.A. Surrey (& his American Eagle Publishing Co.) This was the same Surrey who had printed the awful "Wanted for Treason" handbill, distributed thru-out Dallas on Nov 22.
(p.116) The Warren Commission also took interest in the full-page "Welcome Mr. Kennedy" ad in the Dallas Morning News. Then Bernard Weissman
admitted that the cash for the ad was given to him by Joe Grinnan, (a coordinator for the John Birch Society).
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HERE: Just a small excerpt from the "Welcome Mr. Kennedy" ad (above) so you know that the JBS "spin" was definitely apparent in this article.
"WELCOME MR. KENNEDY" -- TO DALLAS: a city that rejected your philosophy & policies in 1960, & will do so again in 1964, more emphatically.
MR. KENNEDY, we citizens of Dallas, still have thru a Constitution largely ignored by you, the right to address our grievances, to question you, to disagree with you, and to criticize you. In asserting this constitutional right, we wish to ask you publicly the following questions:
WHY is Latin America turning more unAmerican or Communistic, despite increased US foreign aid?
WHY did Cambodia kick the US out of its country after we poured $400 million of aid into its govt?
WHY has Gus Hall (head of US Communist Party) praised all of your policies & support your re-election in 1964?
WHY has US foreign policy degenerated so that the CIA is arranging coups, & having our allies exterminated?
WHY have you scrapped the Monroe Doctrine, in favor of the "Spirit of Moscow"?
MR. Kennedy, as citizens of the USA, we DEMAND answers to these questions, and we want them NOW.
T H E - A M E R I C A N - F A C T - F I N D I N G - C O M M I T T E E
BERNARD WEISSMAN, Chairman
P.O. Box 1792 -- Dallas 21, Texas
The Dallas Morning News ---- Friday, November 22, 1963
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