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Questionable Crime Statistics Data

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  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Recently, one of our responders indicated that crime statistics show crime rates are dropping in America. Law enforcement has released information that this is true, however, there is questions on how the data was collected and if "all" crime was included. Researching several links from a listing on "Crime Statistics Collected Data", "Questions on Crime Statistic Data", and lastly "Falsified Crime Statistic Data", you can locate a variety of web links that provides information sufficient to question how the data is collected or not at all. Consider the trending of crime decreasing leaves one to believe that maybe not all criminal acts are included. There are many instances in law enforcement that police have falsified data by tampering with the arrest and conviction data for purposes exhibiting successful police work. This promotes raises and bonuses for police, but it also provides a new kind of corruption. As police around the country have been found to downgrade property crimes and reduce felony rates, it makes them appear championing the community with having a strong police force. This just misleads the public to believe America is winning the war against crime.

    Crimes against the elderly (abuse, financial), human trafficking, child abuse, rape, business/political corruption, organized crime and a variety of misdemeanor assaults & crimes is just a fraction of the total areas of crime committed. Many of these listed crimes areas are never identified as crime. As some believe that crime statistics only portray the highly intense media events, the many other types of data get lost in not being reported. Since courts are overwhelmed with crime convictions, It is easy to believe that prosecutors weigh the importance of the crime to possibly wondering if they can win this or is it worth their political gain to pursue a conviction.

    I find it hard to believe that crime rates are dropping. Since 74 school shootings in the past 18 months where multiple killings and injuries were sustained, it appears that crimes are not dropping but rising. Since so many people in this country are missing and abused, it is hard to believe that crimes are dropping. There has been several questionable police shootings where police have used excessive force resulting in deaths to those they are apprehending. The recent Arizona homeless man that the police shot (in the back) and as he laid helpless gasping for air, the police sent the dog to attack him. The police said he had a knife. Ok, so why did they shoot him in the back, killing him? This horrible act by the police is now sanctioned by the 1985 Garner Decision. Pre-Garner data had suggested that up to 43% unarmed suspects where shot by police. So they needed a tool to escape from prosecution and allow them to apprehend suspects by shooting them and possible killing them.

    Because not all crime is considered worthy crime to be counted into statistical data, we have a judicial system that will not hear many cases involving rape, incest and child abuse. If someone is victimized by a criminal act, police may or may not pursue an arrest and also the prosecutor will not put in the court system.

    The FBI data that has publically indicated a drop in crime says so with one caveat. The data around the country is "volunteered" by law enforcement agencies. If police do not want the public to know how bad the community is actually crime, they will not divulge the data.

    I am of the belief that crime is not dropping but is steadily rising and that law enforcement is handicapped with poor management, police that suffer mentally and insufficient funding. Police make up the data to inform the public that the job is getting done. There are many great police in America, but the system and unprofessional officers can make the good ones look bad.
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Denton, TX
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    So, do you have statistics to back this up? Because nearly all studies, independent and otherwise show a steady decrease in crime for the last 20 years. Exposure to the crime that is committed has certainly increased with the 24 hour news cycle.

    Do you have any evidence that local law enforcement has been covering up crime or is it purely speculation? If police shot 43% of unarmed suspects then the number of police shootings nationwide would be in the hundreds of thousands each year but it's only in the hundreds.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Zach F Wrote: So, do you have statistics to back this up? Because nearly all studies, independent and otherwise show a steady decrease in crime for the last 20 years. Exposure to the crime that is committed has certainly increased with the 24 hour news cycle.

    Do you have any evidence that local law enforcement has been covering up crime or is it purely speculation? If police shot 43% of unarmed suspects then the number of police shootings nationwide would be in the hundreds of thousands each year but it's only in the hundreds.
    My feeling is that due the constant media coverage of crime, it looks that there is more and more; it works like militarism; indoctrinate that day in day out then you start believing it.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Zach, I provided to search links that reported the questions on Crime Statistics, which included the FBI web site that disclosed the 43% number. I provide you the search items to obligate you to look and locate these links, which is quite easy. Although, I realize you desire catered links, we should all be mature enough to search where areas have been reported.

    I am concerned with the arbitrary release of statistical data which historically "Statistics" can mislead people depending "who" puts the data together for a report. Inside the Crime data, there is several references proving that specific crimes are not collected and even on the FBI web site it shows that much of the countries collection of data is volunteered by law enforcement. So, it makes perfect sense to me that if a city, county or township desires to not publicize all their crime, it makes the area appear crime-free. One of the important reporting's to be asked when purchasing a new home is getting a crime report of area around the home to be purchased. Most people do not do it and if you ask the real estate folks, be careful that the report may not tell the true story.

    I remain to be cautious in believing what authorities may say about the health of America in reduced crime.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
    Democrat
    Portland, OR
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    It's important to understand history when we discuss crime. What do you think happened during the prohibition of alcohol? We saw a massive spike in crime. You think random murders are so commonplace now? Read up on the prohibition era. You might have a different opinion.

    Crime is at an all time low in this country. In the same breath mass shootings seem to be rising, but only slightly. You have to break down school shootings, mall shootings, etc. It's a lot more complicated than just saying that overall 'crime is rising' because it simply is not. We are seeing some of the most peaceful time America has ever seen in its history. The media and other outlets would like all of us to think otherwise, but it is just simply not true.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    If crime is decreasing than why is there so much organized crime in human trafficking, drugs, and major theft circles? I do not agree with the numbers that are being exhibited because the authorities are deliberately misleading the public. I find it ironic that the Pope has decreed an automatic excommunication from the Catholic Church for the Mafia. At least someone is taking extra measures to control crime. Crime has overtaken law enforcement, thus is one reason why their are so many cases of police abuse. The police are fed up with the onslaught of crime and being out gunned on the streets. We all suffer from the anger of police and their brutality, crime is out of control. Maybe it's the guns for everyone. Maybe it's having less jobs around or less good paying jobs. Maybe it's seeing how corporate America gets away with crime or having very minimal penalties imposed that America thinks they do what corporate America can do. Maybe it's all the videos and media hype glorifying killing and mayhem. Something is increasing crime. I believe that America is not reporting with accuracy due to reprisals on who pays them.

    Of the many web sites researched on "falsified crime statistics", it makes sense that hiding the numbers makes people feel safer.
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Denton, TX
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    Because crime is decreasing, it's not gone altogether. There is still murder, racketeering, theft etc. There is just slightly less of it than there was last year, and the year before that. Also, the stat is for the U.S., not the entire world, so the data is highly localized.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Of 168 children saved by the FBI reported today and over 250 pimps/traffickers arrested in the United States, I still believe that crime is not being reported very well. The FBI reports many of the children saved fro this horrible ordeal, many were never reported as "missing". So, this goes well in hand with our crime in America is not reported, thus those crime statistics are not fooling some of us. Within human trafficking alone, this saving 168 children, is just a drop in a gallon bucket of a crime ridden country.
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Denton, TX
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    Also, crime in U.S. just isn't decreasing, but also worldwide. This is the safest time in all of human history to be alive. Statistically speaking, a person is less likely to die in a war, or from disease. A person is less likely to be a victim of violence or be forced into slavery. A person is more likely to live a longer and healthier lives.

    So, yes, there is a lot of terrible shitty stuff in this world. Horrible acts of violence and human rights violations still happen across the globe. And these things should not be ignored. But the warm an fuzzy truth is that it is getting better. Humanity as whole seems to be gradually getting more peaceful. And there is currently nothing that suggests that trend will be changing soon.

    “There are causes worth dying for, but none worth killing for.” ~Albert Camus