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  • Democrat
    California
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    Refusal to acknowledge the negative impact of the flood of people crossing the border has effectively finished us off in many ways. Not just financial with half the country unemployed and on some form of assistance but in myriad ways. Those long term survivors with compromised immune systems, watch out! Children, old people take care. Goodbye to hopes and dreams of many of all ages as they are being swallowed up with fees, taxes and govt. regs. I can speak to this firsthand. As a public health nurse I have wondered aloud why isn't the health and well being of citizens being discussed along with immigration. Dead silence since the early 70's. I know because I carried a caseload of illegal aliens (the govt. legal term). Everyone agrees the USA cannot have a welfare state and open borders. I agree with Hillary, send them immediately back to their respective country. The party is over and time to put on our patriotic hats and take care of our fellow citizens and state of our union.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Flagstaff, AZ
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    elizag:


    The mantra of the conservatives in our country is that we have "an open border" with Mexico, the country where most of our illegal immigrants come from. The reality is that the U.S. Custom and Border Protection Department, a division of the Department of Homeland Security, has 43,600 sworn Federal agents, and an annual budget of $11.84 billioln. It is estimated that to "fully enclose" the border with Mexico would increase that amount to $20 billion a year. In view of the fact that we have ZERO net migration from Mexico (from 2005 to 2010, as many Mexicans went back to Mexico as came to the United States) , I'm of the opinion that "fully enclosing" the border would be a horrific waste of money.

    The bigger problem we currently face is the flood of children coming from several Central American countries. If you read the article posted below, you'll quickly realize the stupidity of simply sending them back to where they came from:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2014/06/why-peter-paul-and-mary-are-still.html

    If you've got LOTS of time on your hands, and would like a more comprehensive discussion of immigration, the article below will give you some guidance:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2011/11/immigration-man.html
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    elizag Wrote: Refusal to acknowledge the negative impact of the flood of people crossing the border has effectively finished us off in many ways.
    As I've stated many times before, net immigration from Mexico is at zero. It's been at zero for the past two years. Right wing zealots spew out misinformation on a constant basis and want to blame all of our nations ills on immigrants, but this country was built by immigrants. We are a melting pot of every single nation in the world. Sure, there are plenty of white Anglo-Saxon people in this country who think it belongs to them, but that's not the reality.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Should we then lower the standards for immigration for all illegals, maybe it would better to just do away with the term illegal, better yet ,if we can rid ourselves of immigration policies altogether, we would save tons on money, we would no longer need the INS Agency, and all related agencies would than be reduced in size accordingly.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    As soon as "real Americans" are willing to do the work that illegals do the problem will be solved. So far I haven't met a whole lot of "real Americans" that have much interest in all those "illegal jobs". If you find one please let us know!
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I think you mean the jobs that employers don't want to pay the going rate for or the bennies that might go along with those jobs, the money these illegals earn for the most part goes back to their families in whatever country they are from, and not for the GDP of this country.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    pr Wrote: As soon as "real Americans" are willing to do the work that illegals do the problem will be solved. So far I haven't met a whole lot of "real Americans" that have much interest in all those "illegal jobs". If you find one please let us know!
    Hey, here is the Dutch alien; I mow your lawn, cut the bushes and clean your gutters; I want $150.- per hour; a nice lunch and champagne; as well insurance in case I fall of the roof. I do not work when it rains, snows, or things bloom. I also want vacation money to visit Monaco by private jet. Of course a solid contribution for my 401K; paid travel expenses and chauffeur for my McLaren.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    I'll give you $3 an hour to mow my lawn and a glass of warm water as a tip, when if you do a good job. Make sure you don't track grass clippings all over my estate with those wooden shoes tho!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    johnnycee Wrote: I think you mean the jobs that employers don't want to pay the going rate for or the bennies that might go along with those jobs, the money these illegals earn for the most part goes back to their families in whatever country they are from, and not for the GDP of this country.
    Can you prove this? Will you provide some actual facts to back up your unfounded accusations? What about the money that these undocumented immigrants pay towards their fake Social Security number that helps keep the program you and millions of other Americans rely on solvent? What about the income taxes they pay based off these fake Social Security numbers which is currently running around 12.2 billion dollars per year? It's easy for you to throw out unfounded accusations, but you seem to have difficulty actually providing facts to back up your claims.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    pr Wrote: I'll give you $3 an hour to mow my lawn and a glass of warm water as a tip, when if you do a good job. Make sure you don't track grass clippings all over my estate with those wooden shoes tho!
    Can we negotiate on that? I promise I won't rape the dog!!
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Flagstaff, AZ
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    We have friends who are regular viewers of FOX "news", which I find a bit hard to understand.

    A few days ago, one of them gave the opinion that the recent surge in immigrants at our border was the fault of the Obama administration, and its failure to enforce immigration laws. Naturally, they also believe that we have "an open border" with Mexico.

    Obviously, facts actually don't matter much with the folks who like FOX, but the reality is that the Obama administration has deported more people, to date, than any Presidential administration in our country's history. So far, the total runs to close to 2,000,000 people, considerably higher than the
    number of people that were deported during Operation Wetback, which started during the Eisenhower administration.


    http://www.thenation.com/article/179099/why-has-president-obama-deported-more-immigrants-any-president-us-history#


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: We have friends who are regular viewers of FOX "news", which I find a bit hard to understand.

    A few days ago, one of them gave the opinion that the recent surge in immigrants at our border was the fault of the Obama administration, and its failure to enforce immigration laws. Naturally, they also believe that we have "an open border" with Mexico.

    Obviously, facts actually don't matter much with the folks who like FOX, but the reality is that the Obama administration has deported more people, to date, than any Presidential administration in our country's history. So far, the total runs to close to 2,000,000 people, considerably higher than the
    number of people that were deported during Operation Wetback, which started during the Eisenhower administration.


    http://www.thenation.com/article/179099/why-has-president-obama-deported-more-immigrants-any-president-us-history#


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
    Facts don't matter to people who have already formed their opinions about Obama and his Administration. They don't tend to take the time to critically think and refuse to accept truths that go against their right-wing orthodoxy. Fox News just helps them feel they are justified for thinking that way.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I have relatives in both Az. and Ca. who do employ illegals, who do not have Soc. Sec. # and the money they pay is well below industry standards counting bennies of course, the money these guys get paid goes back directly to the country of their orgin. Now they are not the only ones doing this, this why I support a crack down on employers who do this practice. Those are my facts, not Fox's with whom you seem so concerned about.
  • Democrat
    Charlotte, NC
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: We have friends who are regular viewers of FOX "news", which I find a bit hard to understand.

    A few days ago, one of them gave the opinion that the recent surge in immigrants at our border was the fault of the Obama administration, and its failure to enforce immigration laws. Naturally, they also believe that we have "an open border" with Mexico.

    Obviously, facts actually don't matter much with the folks who like FOX, but the reality is that the Obama administration has deported more people, to date, than any Presidential administration in our country's history. So far, the total runs to close to 2,000,000 people, considerably higher than the
    number of people that were deported during Operation Wetback, which started during the Eisenhower administration.


    http://www.thenation.com/article/179099/why-has-president-obama-deported-more-immigrants-any-president-us-history#


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
    Of course its Obama's fault. It's his fault that it rained(or didn't) last week. And on and on. Fox exists for one reason and one reason only. No..not profit,surprisingly. It's to promote the right's agenda. Nothing else. So....everything that happens,at least bad stuff,is automaticly his fault.If its actually possible to feel sorry for a Pres...I feel sorry for him. He has done a great job under very trying circumstances,and gets almost zero credit. I'd like to buy him a rack of ribs and a beer. Of course,just to make him feel at home, in the vein of Fox...I would eat most of the ribs.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    gymrat:


    Roger Ailes, the Chairman of FOX, has been a political consultant for the Republican Party since 1968, when he acted as a media consultant for the Nixon campaign. He also helped on the campaigns of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. Although his last campaign was in 1991, he also gave advice to George W. Bush after the 9/11 attacks. As a result, he's had a "soft spot" for the Republican Party for a lot of years.

    He was the originator of the "Orchestra Pit Theory" (explained under the "political consulting" notes in the link below) which explains the outrageous style used by FOX in its broadcasts, especially on "The O'Reilly Factor".

    Although FOX may well be in the business of promoting the agenda of the "right wing", they also profit handsomely by doing so. In 2012, Ailes was paid $21,000,000 by FOX, and his contract runs until 2016. Although profits at FOX have taken quite a hit lately, the network still had a net income of $1.21 billion for the 4th quarter of 2013, and had viewers in just under 100,000,000 homes.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ailes

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/business/media/quarterly-profit-tumbles-at-fox-but-revenue-growth-is-strong.html