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  • Independent
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    ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

    There are various types of religions in existence with their own sacred books called bibles. The difference between the Judeo-Christian Bible and other religious books is that there is EVIDENCE showing it was inspired by Almighty God Jehovah. For instance, the Bible contains almost 2,000 accurately fulfilled prophesies, some written centuries before the fulfillment of the prophesied events. Secular history and archaeology bears this out. In addition, Bible writers had information that was not discovered by scientists and explorers until centuries later. Below are two such examples.

    Example #1:
    For a period of time in history, humans thought the earth was flat and that if one sailed too far out to sea, one was likely to sail off the earth. It was not until the 4th century B.C.E. that the Greeks theorized a spherical earth. But they were never able to prove it. By the 15th Century when Christopher Columbus claimed he discovered the new world, most Europeans correctly theorized that the earth is a circle or sphere.

    It was not until after the first circumnavigation of the globe, led by Ferdinand Magellan in the year 1519 AD, that the theory of a 3-Dimensional, circular earth was supported by fact. More than 2,000 years before Ferdinand Magellan attempted to sail around the globe, the prophet Isaiah did not merely theorize but stated that the earth is a circle. Isaiah was inspired by God to write the following viewpoint description:

    "{22} There is One who is dwelling above the CIRCLE of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)

    SIDE NOTE: Circles can be 2D (flat) or 3D (an ORB or a SPHERE)


    Example #2:
    Prior to the 17th century, none of the best scientific minds could explain what causes the earth to be positioned in a stable orbit. Then in 1687, Isaac Newton published his theory that gravitational forces are the explanation behind the earth's stability. (Gravity is also the reason why humans can move around without fear of toppling off the earth into space.) More than 3,000 years before Newton's existence, under divine inspiration Moses wrote the viewpoint description that the earth hangs upon nothing (indicating invisible gravity), as follows:

    "He [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing;" (Job 26:7)


    DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
    1.
    How could Isaiah have known that the earth is circular, considering that the writing of the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 B.C.E. and it wasn't until the 16th century AD/CE that Ferdinand Magellan proved the earth is a 3D circle when he circumnavigated the globe in 1519 AD/CE— -- 2,251 years AFTER Isaiah wrote that the earth is a circle?
    http://didyouknow.org/sailing/
    http://www.rmg.co.uk/magellan


    2. How did Moses know that the earth hangs upon nothing, indicating invisible gravity, considering that the book of Job was completed in 1473 B.C.E. and it wasn't until 1687 AD/CE that Isaac Newton published his theory about gravitational forces -- 3,160 years AFTER Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing?
    http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blnewton.htm


    3. Where did Isaiah and Moses get this info?


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    Former Member Wrote:


    DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
    1.
    How could Isaiah have known that the earth is circular, considering that the writing of the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 B.C.E. and it wasn't until the 16th century AD/CE that Ferdinand Magellan proved the earth is a 3D circle when he circumnavigated the globe in 1519 AD/CE— -- 2,251 years AFTER Isaiah wrote that the earth is a circle?
    http://didyouknow.org/sailing/
    http://www.rmg.co.uk/magellan


    2. How did Moses know that the earth hangs upon nothing, indicating invisible gravity, considering that the book of Job was completed in 1473 B.C.E. and it wasn't until 1687 AD/CE that Isaac Newton published his theory about gravitational forces -- 3,160 years AFTER Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing?
    http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blnewton.htm


    3. Where did Isaiah and Moses get this info?


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    "That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18)
    Odds are, this whole thread is going to get removed, but I figured I'd give some brief answers to these absurdities.

    1. Humans have known the Earth was round for thousands of years. Thousands. As of matter of fact, it was such common knowledge by 300BC that Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the planet with an extremely small margin of error. Humans knew it was round simply by looking at the Earth's shadow on the moon during an eclipse.

    2. Again, the mathematical explanation of gravity isn't what showed that the Earth is suspended in space. Simple land observations told humans this for thousands of years. Gravity just explained why and how in mathematical terms.

    3. Bible also says the Earth is flat and has four corners. Bible also says there are windows that open in the sky to let the rains come. Bible also says the Earth is held up on pillars. It says the Earth was created before the Sun. It says the Moon produces its own light. It says that diverse languages happened instantly instead of gradually. It also provides a cure for leprosy. It says the Earth doesn't move. It mentions the existence of unicorns, talking donkeys, cockatrices, flying serpents, satyrs, and a snake with more intelligence than man. It says that the stars are tiny objects that can fall out of the sky. In short, the Bible says a lot of really ridiculous things that are clearly proven false. So, if the Bible was inspired by your god, your god is extremely fallible.
  • Liberal
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    Excuse me while I gag over my breakfast;( In the mean time this is very appropriate - http://www.salon.com/2014/06/15/solving_the_genesis_equation_biblical_creation_.../
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    "alterego" I guess you live in la la land; Ever met this Jehova? talked to it? e-mailled it? where does it live? where did it study? Did it write books?
    Who wrote all that nonsense you preach? Aliens from Mars? Get real "people" themselves figure out things; they do not get any help from outside this globe in doing so. Get real please.
  • Democrat
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    Welcome Alto2Ego! It is refreshing to read more beliefs identifying a view of God's presence in all our lives. Although the scriptures can be difficult, it takes a life disciplined to read and study, "The Word". There are many scholars and visionaries ordained into the practices of interpreting God's wisdom handed down by scribes dedicated to delivering God's wisdom. God does continue to teach us and deliver messages. It is disheartening to hear those that disbelieve and work the best to give obstruction to those who do believe. Take heart, there is Glory that keep the treasures of "Faith", and "Courage" to persevere in times of persecution. The internet has opened a new world of transmitting God's Word and everyone's beliefs, which in many ways allows for disbeliever's to persecute those that do believe.

    Alto2Ego, you have supporters and many who believe as you do or some translation different from your views. However, all of us have one single path in our methods and that is to rise in Glory with God's love and presence. For those that attack you, all you can really do is pray for them and ask God's forgiveness and especially for God to give you strength to persevere.

    Of all the religious faiths in the world, it exhibits a bicycle wheel spokes that are centered into the hub. Each spike is different religion or thought about God. The broken spokes are those disbelievers and the spokes that are loose have little faith or no strong belief in God. The sturdy spokes connected to the hub show a religion and a persons belief strong in the path to Glory.

    So, keep your faith and continue your study. As for your questions, I can only respond with Jehovah (one of many names representing God and his people's love for His presence), who is most responsible for giving guidance and knowledge of the world to those that accepted His Words. The overwhelming question is why it took so long for most people to believe the world was round and on gravity. I believe it is man's shortcomings having more faith in science, which made them ignorant to the wisdom giving by God. I do believe science and the study of God's Word can coexist.

    God bless you.
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    God save us all from this BS!
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    pr Wrote: God save us all from this BS!
    pr Wrote: Excuse me while I gag over my breakfast;( In the mean time this is very appropriate - http://www.salon.com/2014/06/15/solving_the_genesis_equation_biblical_creation_...
    Is this necessary?
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    pr Wrote: God save us all from this BS!
    Pgr, I guess this whatever "god" likely does not save us from human stupidity; I guess we are on our own and we ourselves determine destiny.
    May be Buddha can help; the Pope is way too busy to get new "economic schooled" clergy to review their books. Also his e-mail to Mars failed to work; his I-Pad did not work with "heaven" since day one; also his I-Phone refused to connect with "heaven" one,two,three. Anyway AMC will be saved, so I'm happy about that. (Saved from what?, I don't know) He thinks Iraq will invade us; so get your AK47's ready; sorry the invisible human created "god" will not save us all!! (only the one's who put enough dough into the church's accounts) Wow, I'll drink to that!!
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    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    pr Wrote: God save us all from this BS!
    pr Wrote: Excuse me while I gag over my breakfast;( In the mean time this is very appropriate - http://www.salon.com/2014/06/15/solving_the_genesis_equation_biblical_creation_...
    Is this necessary?
    Yes this is neccessary; sorry this is a discussion site, which does not mean that you cannot voice your opinion.
    Pure nonsense should be addressed, because I hope this is a site where people are allowed to think farther than their personal indoctrinations; an open mind for anything should prevail; no cover ups related to reality pls. People can believe whatever they want to believe; if they want to put their beliefs on this site, they are free to do so. If they get torpedoed because they launch utterly nonsense; that is life or education for them.
    Some of these people lack an open mind; then you should not participate in discussions with people who think different. End of story.
  • Liberal
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    I wonder how many "believers" read the link? Not many, I'll bet. Too bad, the comments section (as usual) is very enlightening and gives pause to anyone with an open and enquiring mind something to think about. Of course, not many "believers" have an open or enquiring mind or they wouldn't be "believers" would they?
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    Dutch Wrote:
    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    pr Wrote: God save us all from this BS!
    pr Wrote: Excuse me while I gag over my breakfast;( In the mean time this is very appropriate - http://www.salon.com/2014/06/15/solving_the_genesis_equation_biblical_creation_...
    Is this necessary?
    Yes this is neccessary; sorry this is a discussion site, which does not mean that you cannot voice your opinion.
    Pure nonsense should be addressed, because I hope this is a site where people are allowed to think farther than their personal indoctrinations; an open mind for anything should prevail; no cover ups related to reality pls. People can believe whatever they want to believe; if they want to put their beliefs on this site, they are free to do so. If they get torpedoed because they launch utterly nonsense; that is life or education for them.
    Some of these people lack an open mind; then you should not participate in discussions with people who think different. End of story.
    I'm sure it's not difficult for you to believe that there is a difference between pure derogatory spurts, and a discussion. Yes, EVERYONE has a right to there own opinions and view. Aswell as how they respond to others. You are 100% correct- This IS a discussion site. That does not mean you should respond with responses as such. Maybe you should respond in a mature manor as to how you feel towards what the person said. That may be thinking to far out. But possible I believe.

    And are you saying pure nonsense should be addressed with pure nonsense? Because that's what I was referring to. Not anyone who voiced an actual thought-worthy opinion.
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    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    pr Wrote: God save us all from this BS!
    pr Wrote: Excuse me while I gag over my breakfast;( In the mean time this is very appropriate - http://www.salon.com/2014/06/15/solving_the_genesis_equation_biblical_creation_...
    Is this necessary?
    Yes this is neccessary; sorry this is a discussion site, which does not mean that you cannot voice your opinion.
    Pure nonsense should be addressed, because I hope this is a site where people are allowed to think farther than their personal indoctrinations; an open mind for anything should prevail; no cover ups related to reality pls. People can believe whatever they want to believe; if they want to put their beliefs on this site, they are free to do so. If they get torpedoed because they launch utterly nonsense; that is life or education for them.
    Some of these people lack an open mind; then you should not participate in discussions with people who think different. End of story.
    I'm sure it's not difficult for you to believe that there is a difference between pure derogatory spurts, and a discussion. Yes, EVERYONE has a right to there own opinions and view. Aswell as how they respond to others. You are 100% correct- This IS a discussion site. That does not mean you should respond with responses as such. Maybe you should respond in a mature manor as to how you feel towards what the person said. That may be thinking to far out. But possible I believe.

    And are you saying pure nonsense should be addressed with pure nonsense? Because that's what I was referring to. Not anyone who voiced an actual thought-worthy opinion.
    Please realise that some people are so hardheaded in their beliefs and stay onthe same track without even considering if things can be proven or properly argumented; their heads are solid concrete; but they stay on the site and keep spewing their pure unreal fantasy's. Some people including me, get fed up with it, so then some not so nice comments will be said. Pure human nature; tell your kid not to cross the street in front of the bus, and he still does it , bad luck.
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    Pgr; indeed some people only read what they want to read; as soon as it deviates from their indoctrinated mind "the doors go on full lock"
    I notice that all the time; also on the site they only read what fits them. Reality or on open mind and analyses of things if these are real or possible are completely shut out. I guess the "fear" factor of to be different than the people they associate with is very strong here; "belonging" to something is a must; even if it is a "herd" with fake leaders. They will never deviate, because that will get their "friends" upset etc. Once they die the "friends" will only be interested in what is in it for them; not if the person's "fake soul" ever made it to Mars. etc. The speech at the grave will always say this was the best human ever, so he will be in heaven for sure; follow the"nonsense" yet?
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    Dutch many people (most, in fact) seem to believe freedom of speech only applies to their speech and others who call them out for their nonsense are guilty of trying to restrict free speech. This is part of the problem with many Americans - I have what I want now so I can stop you from getting what you want (vocally or materially. NIMBY's are everywhere and represent the worst of the worst thinking.

    I was listening to a talk show on New Hampshire P R (NHPR) recently about state & local tax funding. NH has no sales or income tax so the majority funding for cities and towns come from an oppressive real estate property tax (double to triple what it would or should be without a combination of other broad based taxes). One (typical) retired guy called in and actually had the balls to say "I paid taxes for my kids to go to school when I was young, now that i'm retired I resent having to pay for younger peoples kids to be educated. I should be exempt from having to pay school taxes now!". As incredibly dumb and selfish as this sounds, it is unfortunately a very prevailing opinion in this great free, Christian land of ours!
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    Zach F Wrote:
    Former Member Wrote:DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
    1.
    How could Isaiah have known that the earth is circular, considering that the writing of the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 B.C.E. and it wasn't until the 16th century AD/CE that Ferdinand Magellan proved the earth is a 3D circle when he circumnavigated the globe in 1519 AD/CE— -- 2,251 years AFTER Isaiah wrote that the earth is a circle?
    http://didyouknow.org/sailing/
    http://www.rmg.co.uk/magellan


    2. How did Moses know that the earth hangs upon nothing, indicating invisible gravity, considering that the book of Job was completed in 1473 B.C.E. and it wasn't until 1687 AD/CE that Isaac Newton published his theory about gravitational forces -- 3,160 years AFTER Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing?
    http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blnewton.htm


    3. Where did Isaiah and Moses get this info?
    Odds are, this whole thread is going to get removed, but I figured I'd give some brief answers to these absurdities.

    1. Humans have known the Earth was round for thousands of years. Thousands. As of matter of fact, it was such common knowledge by 300BC that Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the planet with an extremely small margin of error. Humans knew it was round simply by looking at the Earth's shadow on the moon during an eclipse.
    ALTER2EGO -to- ZACH F:

    You mean they theorized that earth is circular. Theorizing and knowing are two entirely different things. Knowing requires evidence, and nobody had evidence until the 16th century AD/CE when Ferdinand Magellan and other explorers literally circumnavigated the globe.

    Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of earth several centuries after the book of Isaiah and the book of Job were written by inspiration of Jehovah. So how does that prove my OP wrong, wherein I stated that Bible writers had knowledge that was way ahead of their time?


    Zach F Wrote:2. Again, the mathematical explanation of gravity isn't what showed that the Earth is suspended in space. Simple land observations told humans this for thousands of years. Gravity just explained why and how in mathematical terms.
    History says humans were not aware that gravity held earth in orbit until the 17th century AD when Isaac Newton published his theory that gravitational forces are the explanation behind the earth's stability. So nothing you stated thus far has proven my OP to be wrong.


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