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Teacher's Tenure Laws Struck Down by California Judge

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  • Center Left
    Independent
    Denton, TX
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    Huge loss: teachers unions in California case

    A California judge just set a precedent against teacher's unions. In a nutshell, he just gave a ruling deeming tenure unconstitutional. His take on the matter: “The logic of this position is unfathomable and therefore constitutionally unsupportable." That was Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Rolf M. Treu expressing his outrage at a system that shields veteran teachers from layoffs, regardless of their competence, so says Politico.

    You can find his full 16-page opinion in the above linked article.

    No doubt Treu knows that this ruling will not just effect Californians, although being one of the most populated states in the US, that's enough. It will actually effect the whole country, giving other judges precedent to follow in his footsteps. He basically just gave Republicans a green light to go after teacher's unions hardcore.

    I actually sympathize with part of this ruling though, to be honest. As much as I think that teaching our youth is in many, many ways an impossibly difficult and mostly thank-less vocation.. part of me doesn't think that tenure is always fair. There should in fact be a middle ground so that less than adequate teachers can be booted out of the system from time to time.

    We need good teachers. And we need to do a much better job of taking care of our good teachers in this country in EVERY school and district. But we also need effective measures to be able to get rid of bad/serially ineffective teachers too. Watching a documentary like 'Waiting for Superman', and knowing my fair share of teachers as well, I can see both sides of the issue. I'm wondering, is there a middle ground on this issue? Can we not completely do away with tenure, but also lighten up and make it easier to boot the bad teachers when necessary?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
    Democrat
    Portland, OR
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    This is such a complicated issue that will undoubtedly be used to make teachers the boogeyman in the never ending fight between unions and their bosses, but it is not as simple as saying we should or shouldn't have tenure. It boils down to how this nation funds its public schools and whether we are giving our nations teachers everything they need to be able to educate the children they are tasked with teaching.

    The question is not whether a teacher should keep their job if they are negligent or not doing the job they have been tasked with. The question should be if the teacher is doing their best with the resources they are working with. Is it a teachers fault if a child is coming to school hungry and can't concentrate? Is it the teachers fault if a parent blames them for their child's behavior problems? I'm a son of someone who just retired after teaching second grade at an inner-city school for thirty plus years and the stories I have heard make me want to cry. It's not the teachers fault when kid's don't have coats to wear in the winter time. It's not the teachers fault if a child wreaks havoc in a classroom and makes it impossible for a teacher to do their job.

    We can't have this discussion without talking about the way the schools are funded. The funding of our public school systems based off of local income taxes is borderline criminal. Who is surprised that rich suburbs have great public school systems while poor, inner-city schools are scraping by? Why in the world do we fund schools like this?

    I'm all about holding teachers accountable, but we have to provide them the tools to actually succeed. We can't ask the world of them, pay them next to nothing, provide them very limited resources, and then blame them when things go wrong.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    It's so difficult to reach an amicable resolution to this problem of tenure, both sides always drag out the extreme examples of their own positions for talking points, I realize that there should be some type of accountability for teachers perhaps a type of proficiency testing might be in order, but there should also be a sort of checks and balance so the administration does not abuse the testing for their own agenda.
  • Independent
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    teachers can be fired. claims to the contrary are inaccurate. a process is to be followed. the rw simply wants employment at will which means being subject to termination for no reason.

    lastly "reign of error" points out the fallacy that there is a problem with the education system and that the solution lies with the so-called free market.
  • Liberal
    Other Party
    Llos Angeles, CA
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    Sucks....the private sector will go after seniority eventually. California is beginning to "NOT" be so liberal. It's always baffled me at work....I'm in a union shop, my co-workers benefit from union contracts....and it's always the co-workers that complain the most. They never participate in union business and have the most criticism. But when they're written-up.....they come running and want immediate representation.

    Why are teachers blamed for everything? "they did too much"...."not enough"....."little Billy is failing, it's the teachers fault"..."The economy, yup, it's the teachers fault"...."peace in the middle east..teachers fault"

    Police, Fire, power and sanitation jobs pay the most in this city....with the best pensions. But every 4 years it's the teachers that get bashed. This is actually a window of what's coming here in LA and as always...nobody gives a shit. ME, ME, ME

    Information I'm getting in this forum may eventually cause me to get on Prozac....thanks fellas
  • Independent
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    [url=https://www.democratichub.com/user/79340.aspx"> L.A. Citizen[/url] Wrote: Sucks....the private sector will go after seniority eventually. California is beginning to "NOT" be so liberal. It's always baffled me at work....I'm in a union shop, my co-workers benefit from union contracts....and it's always the co-workers that complain the most. They never participate in union business and have the most criticism. But when they're written-up.....they come running and want immediate representation.

    Why are teachers blamed for everything? "they did too much"...."not enough"....."little Billy is failing, it's the teachers fault"..."The economy, yup, it's the teachers fault"...."peace in the middle east..teachers fault"

    Police, Fire, power and sanitation jobs pay the most in this city....with the best pensions. But every 4 years it's the teachers that get bashed. This is actually a window of what's coming here in LA and as always...nobody gives a shit. ME, ME, ME

    Information I'm getting in this forum may eventually cause me to get on Prozac....thanks fellas

    I agree re: the private sector. The rw must be stopped. They are dangerous to America and the world.