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Egypt's New President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi

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    eternal flame Wrote: I am a bit partisan in outlook (ahem) -- but it seems that whenever we have a Republican President, our chances increase drastically in favor of a messy costly or unnecessary war. Take Nixon. (Please take him, anywhere but here). We got involved in Viet Nam for at least 12 years, costing at least 58,000 American soldiers lives. Then (gasp) we find out that the whole reason for Viet Nam was a FALSE situation in the Gulf of Tonkin. The whole war was a phoney sham, & thus unnecessary. But that does not bring back all the million$ of dollars wasted, or all the dead soldiers killed for nothing.

    Then, in 2001, we have an "event" which is quite "suspicious" -- a New York plane crash & bldg destruction, creating a big wave of fear & anger that was used to ratchet up a totally useless War, looking for WMD that did not exist, or at least did not exist in IRAQ. This then entails fighting in the area of Ira
    "Eternal" which ever way you look at it, the US foreign policies have been a disaster since WWII; it is like "jamesn" says the "ignorance" of trying to push our way of life onto others; we demand that all these countries we invade follow our model of democracy; by the way that model does not work here either, let alone somewhere else. We are an awful corrupt country and think everything can be achieved with "money" and "weapons"; it never has sunk in that such will always backfire. Our only solution is mostly lets "bomb" them; those whom we don't like, because they are "against" us. We've invented the label "terrorists" and apply that to anyone in a civil war who we did not give "money".

    I predict as I did before; that this will be our Waterloo; give it some time, it will happen. Sorry our government is totally disfunctional and is still being run by the same warmongers as for Vietnam and Iraq; in Washington the biggest mouths always wins. Get these old idiots out (like McCain, Lindsey Graham, Gingrich, Kerry etc.) Obama is way too much influenced by the wrong "circle" around him; may be he wants a different approach, but his hands are tied due to the warlords and lobbyists of the war industry. This is a Democratic site; however this "word" in this country has been totally abused.
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    "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed". -- Dwight D. Eisenhower

    Despite Eisenhower's words of wisdom, wherever you look around the world where there is political unrest, the tyrants seeking control usually have a lot of military weapons at their disposal, mostly manufactured in the United States, Russia and China. And all these third world countries that cannot afford to feed their own people somehow find money to buy military toys.

    That certainly also applies to the USA, as Dutch has so often pointed out regarding the F-35 as just one example of our military procurement program run a muck. Dutch has hammered this plane again and again...but I'll do it one more for good measure:

    The Fiscal Times, February 26, 2013: The Pentagon’s Incredible $1.5 Trillion Mistake

    "Equally impossible to ignore is the $1.5 trillion price tag for one of the biggest failures in Pentagon history. $1.5 trillion is the cost of operating the air craft for 55 years, an amount that has been consistently increased as the program drags on. It’s the most expensive weapons system the Pentagon has ever commissioned. And as problems mount, there are growing concerns that the F-35 will never fly a combat mission.

    “This was a huge mistake. We were warned about it in the 1990s by some prescient people. Those people were ignored,” said Winslow Wheeler, a long-time Congressional staffer who now is the director of the Straus Military Reform Project. “We’re living the consequences of the bad, fundamental design of the airplane and bad, fundamental design of the acquisition plan.”


    It doesn't matter if we have a Republican president or a Democratic president. The military feeds at the trough first. Democrats are fearful that if they cut military programs, they will be cast as "unpatriotic." Republicans play the fear factor.

    This thread is about Egypt's newest ruler el-Sisi, but one has to wonder what Egypt and others like Syria, Iraq, and Libya would be doing without the vast arsenals of military equipment at the disposal of the military tyrants.

    McCain is like a broken record...and he actually believes that we won the War in Iraq in 2011, but for Obama removing all the troops, we couldn't preserve the "win".
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    Schmidt Wrote: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed". -- Dwight D. Eisenhower

    Despite Eisenhower's words of wisdom, wherever you look around the world where there is political unrest, the tyrants seeking control usually have a lot of military weapons at their disposal, mostly manufactured in the United States, Russia and China. And all these third world countries that cannot afford to feed their own people somehow find money to buy military toys.

    That certainly also applies to the USA, as Dutch has so often pointed out regarding the F-35 as just one example of our military procurement program run a muck. Dutch has hammered this plane again and again...but I'll do it one more for good measure:

    The Fiscal Times, February 26, 2013: The Pentagon’s Incredible $1.5 Trillion Mistake

    "Equally impossible to ignore is the $1.5 trillion price tag for one of the biggest failures in Pentagon history. $1.5 trillion is the cost of operating the air craft for 55 years, an amount that has been consistently increased as the program drags on. It’s the most expensive weapons system the Pentagon has ever commissioned. And as problems mount, there are growing concerns that the F-35 will never fly a combat mission.

    “This was a huge mistake. We were warned about it in the 1990s by some prescient people. Those people were ignored,” said Winslow Wheeler, a long-time Congressional staffer who now is the director of the Straus Military Reform Project. “We’re living the consequences of the bad, fundamental design of the airplane and bad, fundamental design of the acquisition plan.”


    It doesn't matter if we have a Republican president or a Democratic president. The military feeds at the trough first. Democrats are fearful that if they cut military programs, they will be cast as "unpatriotic." Republicans play the fear factor.

    This thread is about Egypt's newest ruler el-Sisi, but one has to wonder what Egypt and others like Syria, Iraq, and Libya would be doing without the vast arsenals of military equipment at the disposal of the military tyrants.

    McCain is like a broken record...and he actually believes that we won the War in Iraq in 2011, but for Obama removing all the troops, we couldn't preserve the "win".
    Schmidt; excellent; how come so few people realize what we are doing to make this whole world a huge mess by spreading our money and weapons around, mostly to the wrong parties. Of course because of us, Russia and China can not stay behind. Is n't time we elect real leaders; not influenced by warmongers who's only intent is "ego"s, "power" over others and a huge bankaccount. Anyway thanks; you see it right.
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    Schmidt you say that ..."the tyrants seeking control usually have a lot of military weapons at their disposal, mostly manufactured in the United States, Russia, and China"...

    Yep, Russia is number one arms exporter, followed by the USA. Russia exports about 8.3 B in arms and we come in at 6.2 B, China is way back at 1.8 B. Three of the top five weapons importing countries are in the middle east, no surprise there. Little countries, with lots of money, and in a very unstable part of the world is a recipe for lots of weapons spending.

    Is the F-35 the biggest failure in pentagon history? Depends on how it's measured. It's maybe the most expensive and most wasteful, but has it failed to do what it is designed to do? No, it hasn't even been used yet. Will it do it's job? No one knows.

    The biggest success that the F-35 could achieve is deterring war and to never be used in real combat. Like nukes, I hope they will never be used. Unlike nukes, they probably WILL be used, considering the number of nations that are buying or are planning to buy it. Eight other nations are allegedly helping fund it, and even more considering buying it.

    I'm not defending the F-35, it is too expensive, too wasteful, and we don't need it. But, there's LOTS of things that our government spends money on that are too expensive, too wasteful, and not needed, and that's not limited to just weapons systems.

    If the F-35 were to be cancelled tomorrow, and it won't, then the pentagon would immediately go shopping for the next plane to replace it. And new military airplanes tend to be MORE expensive, not less. So we are stuck with this one.

    The military and defense contractors, like big banks, big drug companies, big oil, big labor unions...thay ALL own plenty of our politicians, and will continue to be well taken care of by the government. That's not likely to change anytime soon.

    This may very well be the last manned combat aircraft. It may be all drones and robots in the future.