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I have prepared a new tax form-simple and effective!

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  • Democrat
    Arkansas
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    I have a degree in accounting and spent many years filing returns for people. However, I am of the opinion that the average taxpayer, no ALL taxpayers should be able to file their own returns without having to pay anyone to do it. In lieu of that, I have written a piece which includes that new return and suggestions for changes to taxes, including corporate. I know this will be controversial, but it shouldn't be. The government can raise the same, maybe more taxes by insuring that all people pay income taxes, fairly!

    http://voices.yahoo.com/why-cant-income-tax-returns-simple-12654494.html?cat=3

    Please examine my return and pass it along to as many as you can if you agree there is merit to my proposal. It's not perfect, but it's SO much better than the current system. If we can get enough people interested, then OUR representatives will have to listen if they want to stay in office, right?
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Denton, TX
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    I like the simplicity. But there are plenty of deductions that should be left in because they are insanely beneficial to society. Education and dependents to name two extremely important ones.
  • Independent
    Campbellsport, WI
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    Do roads not benefit all people?
    Do police not benefit all people?
    Do the government agencies who protect the air/water benefit all people?

    What is your argument for those under $25,000 to pay nothing? How is Zero dollars for the benefits they are getting, fair?

    I have in mind a 26 year old man in perfect health who simply doesn't want to work because, quite frankly, he is lazy. Why should his hard working sister working 3 part time jobs have money taken from her purse and given to him?
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
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    Zach F Wrote: I like the simplicity. But there are plenty of deductions that should be left in because they are insanely beneficial to society. Education and dependents to name two extremely important ones.
    I give up, which one isn't important ?
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Denton, TX
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    Dialogue Wrote: Do roads not benefit all people?
    Do police not benefit all people?
    Do the government agencies who protect the air/water benefit all people?

    What is your argument for those under $25,000 to pay nothing? How is Zero dollars for the benefits they are getting, fair?

    I have in mind a 26 year old man in perfect health who simply doesn't want to work because, quite frankly, he is lazy. Why should his hard working sister working 3 part time jobs have money taken from her purse and given to him?
    Paying 0% income tax is not the same as paying no taxes and getting everything for free. Not at all. The argument for wage earners under $25,000 paying no income tax is 1.) They literally can not afford to. And 2.) It is for society as a whole and for the future of our country if we don't tax the poor into poverty.

    Also, income taxes don't pay for roads. Roads and infrastructure maintenance is paid exclusively by gas and oil taxes. It is one of the most efficient taxes ever conceived. If you don't use the roads, then you probably don't buy gas which means you aren't really paying for roads.

    The top three things that income taxes pay for are 1.) National Defense, 2.) Health Care, 3.) Income Security Programs

    So let's look at those three things. Someone making less than $25,000 isn't doing so great in this country. The last thing on their mind is securing American interests. They are likely just trying to get by. National Defense is not a service that really benefit from at all. The next two on the list are Health Care and Income Security. Both of those services are targeted at helping people not making a lot of money. We are essentially taking money from the lower wage workers only to give it right back to them. It costs the government money to collect the tax, then it costs them money to give it right back. Taxing them for that makes no sense.

    the 4th place your income taxes go is interest on the national debt. The national debt has grossly benefited the upper class far more than it has the lower. Numerous bailouts, defense contracts, billions of dollars of tax incentives. Etc.


    Essentially, law enforcement is ranked 7th and is paid for largely by fines from lawbreakers. And clean air and water ranks 9th, and is mostly paid for by taxes on energy (like gas/oil) and on automobiles.

    So, not paying income tax does not mean they are not paying for the 3 things you listed.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Zach I would disagree with your statement that ..."National Defense is not a service that really benefit from at all"... referring to someone who makes less than $25,000 in this country.

    I would argue that ALL Americans, even those millions of non American illegals who broke the law coming here, and even those Americans who hate and despise our military, even those people benefit from our National Defense. We ALL benefit.

    We are a free society, much more than most other countries. Yes, we all benefit.