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  • Democrat
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    There seems to be a lot of miss information on the release of the Guantanamo five, for our service man.
    NPR did an interview today with a gentleman in Scotland who was in Afghanistan and had profiled several of the released inmates. So here is someone who had intimate knowledge of these prisoners. He felt the President did the right thing, saying these men would not recognize the Taliban of today after 10 years out of the fight. Other prisoners in Guantanamo said they would not have been in the fight if they has know what they know today.
    I am sorry I was driving while listening to the story but check NPR for 6/3/2014 to get the story in detail. I hope Rachel Maddow would find the person to have him talk on her show.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I would prefer to listen to those who knew Bergdahl and his reason for deserting, and as far as the five political and military leaders being out of the so-called loop as far as the current status of the terrorist groups are concerned, this gentleman from Scotland does a disservice to those who are fighting this war on terrorism, the strategy for terror is not rocket science, it's not as if the Taliban are planning a wide scale invasion with a full commitment of resources, no, their plan is to scare and terrorize the local population into submission one village at time, one of the reasons for these men to not recognize the Taliban of today is because many of their leaders have been killed by Drone strikes and other means, so that means there is a leadership vacuum within the Taliban which these men will more than adequately fill. This was a serious mistake on Obama part.
  • Independent
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    johnnycee Wrote: I would prefer to listen to those who knew Bergdahl and his reason for deserting, and as far as the five political and military leaders being out of the so-called loop as far as the current status of the terrorist groups are concerned, this gentleman from Scotland does a disservice to those who are fighting this war on terrorism, the strategy for terror is not rocket science, it's not as if the Taliban are planning a wide scale invasion with a full commitment of resources, no, their plan is to scare and terrorize the local population into submission one village at time, one of the reasons for these men to not recognize the Taliban of today is because many of their leaders have been killed by Drone strikes and other means, so that means there is a leadership vacuum within the Taliban which these men will more than adequately fill. This was a serious mistake on Obama part.
    Sure I agree; Obama and his people who influence him make a lot of mistakes lately; It is time that they realize that most "groups" like the Taliban also exist in the US; there are plenty of weird fanatic groups here, who kind of stick to their own boundaries. If the Government in Afghanistan would deal with them the same way as here, may be they would stick to their own and do not force their way onto others; Just a thought? Most fanatic groups around the world come and go; it is just like bugs.
  • Democrat
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    I would venture to say that most fanatic groups are created because they feel that the rest of the world is not in their loopy way of thinking and that it is their sovereign duty to change that line of thinking, whether by violence or other means, information is one weapon against these groups ,however if violence is their chosen method of changing than violence is also answer, just like the "bug" you described, it should be smashed into non-existence, violence is not the primary method of dealing with these radicals and I don't mean just political radicals, but when violence is employed it must be used in a decisive manner and not just piecemeal, those who terrorize others into submission ,they themselves must be terrorized enough to abandon their foolish agenda of world change.
  • Other Party
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    ..."if violence is their chosen method of changing"...

    Yes, violence, and power are all that some understand, especially in that region of the world.

    You think that Assad, or the Taliban and Al Quada leaders respect anything else?
  • Liberal
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    For the life of me, I can't understand why this exchange was so important to and so poorly handled by Obama! The guy was a dumb, naive 23 year old who fell for all the religious and pseudo patriotic BS this country is so famous for and then discovered how he had been duped and supposedly just walked away! One dumb move after another. I fully support his opinion that he was duped as most so called patriotic Americans are, but if you're dumb enough to fall for all this nonsense to start with you can only blame yourself for the outcome. Nothing at all has been gained by his release or the so called exchange and it makes us look even dumber as a country than we are, and that's not an easy thing to do these days!
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote: For the life of me, I can't understand why this exchange was so important to and so poorly handled by Obama! The guy was a dumb, naive 23 year old who fell for all the religious and pseudo patriotic BS this country is so famous for and then discovered how he had been duped and supposedly just walked away! One dumb move after another. I fully support his opinion that he was duped as most so called patriotic Americans are, but if you're dumb enough to fall for all this nonsense to start with you can only blame yourself for the outcome. Nothing at all has been gained by his release or the so called exchange and it makes us look even dumber as a country than we are, and that's not an easy thing to do these days!
    100% correct; join the army; may be you will either be dead, a hero, or a looser, but you did the war industry a big favor as well as McCain.
    This will keep America safe; wow, we need you soon, learn Polish or Russian, because that is the next warzone planned by the warmongers. Obama just spent a billion there to give weapons to help that happen.
    Just onthe news: Obama's ratings plummeted. (He can hire me as an adviser, LOL)
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Oh I am getting so weary of listening to all the talking points by Republicans on the trade of Bergdahl for five Taliban operatives. The trade was absolutely the right thing to do: America does not leave a soldier behind...any soldier regardless of the circumstances...never ever. It's been that way since the days of George Washington and it's been supported by every president including Nixon trading Vietnamese POWs for John McCain's release. And yes we have negotiated with the "enemy" time and again...Ronald Reagan did it in trading arms to the Iranians in return of hostages.

    If President Obama hadn't acted and Bergdahl died or was publicaly executed, you would have seen the exact opposite response from Republicans...attacking Obama for leaving a soldier behind to die in enemy hands...unprecedented! John McCain a few months ago advocated for the exchange exactly as it was executed. Now that Obama has done the exchange, McCain has done a 180 degree flip flop so he can attack Obama again. He is despicable. Other Republican members of Congress were also pushing for the exchange before it happened...and in fact initially supported it after it happened. But then they all had to retract their statements or remove them from Twitter or whatever...a complete reversal. Who is pulling their strings? Fox News? Rush?

    For those that want to think otherwise, this was effectively a POW exchange. Those five Taliban would have been released anyway as soon as the war was declared over. That's the law. By doing it now the Taliban prisoners are being taken under Qatar control for a year. By then combat operations will have ended in Afghanistan.

    What is absolutely astounding is how the narrative can shift so quickly. If you watch Fox News they are all piling on. WTF! is all I can say.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: Oh I am getting so weary of listening to all the talking points by Republicans on the trade of Bergdahl for five Taliban operatives. The trade was absolutely the right thing to do: America does not leave a soldier behind...any soldier regardless of the circumstances...never ever. It's been that way since the days of George Washington and it's been supported by every president including Nixon trading Vietnamese POWs for John McCain's release. And yes we have negotiated with the "enemy" time and again...Ronald Reagan did it in trading arms to the Iranians in return of hostages.

    If President Obama hadn't acted and Bergdahl died or was publicaly executed, you would have seen the exact opposite response from Republicans...attacking Obama for leaving a soldier behind to die in enemy hands...unprecedented! John McCain a few months ago advocated for the exchange exactly as it was executed. Now that Obama has done the exchange, McCain has done a 180 degree flip flop so he can attack Obama again. He is despicable. Other Republican members of Congress were also pushing for the exchange before it happened...and in fact initially supported it after it happened. But then they all had to retract their statements or remove them from Twitter or whatever...a complete reversal. Who is pulling their strings? Fox News? Rush?

    For those that want to think otherwise, this was effectively a POW exchange. Those five Taliban would have been released anyway as soon as the war was declared over. That's the law. By doing it now the Taliban prisoners are being taken under Qatar control for a year. By then combat operations will have ended in Afghanistan.

    What is absolutely astounding is how the narrative can shift so quickly. If you watch Fox News they are all piling on. WTF! is all I can say.
    Sorry "schmidt" that is the way politics are played; I just wonder if you go outside a military camp without a gun, then I guess you go in against orders.
    At that moment you could have been shot, then everyone would have been happy and the medals would have been Fed-EX'd to the parents.

    So I can't see why you are upset, other than this is fist of all, stupidity of the guy himself, secondly you know on how politics work in this country, I presume; thus nothing out of the ordinary.
  • Other Party
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    pr Wrote: For the life of me, I can't understand why this exchange was so important to and so poorly handled by Obama! The guy was a dumb, naive 23 year old who fell for all the religious and pseudo patriotic BS this country is so famous for and then discovered how he had been duped and supposedly just walked away! One dumb move after another. I fully support his opinion that he was duped as most so called patriotic Americans are, but if you're dumb enough to fall for all this nonsense to start with you can only blame yourself for the outcome. Nothing at all has been gained by his release or the so called exchange and it makes us look even dumber as a country than we are, and that's not an easy thing to do these days!
    Exactly right, they could not have handled this much worse. What were they thinking?

    And now on CNN they are saying that the White House is surprised that there's so much bipartisan criticism. How dumb can this White House be? They didn't see THIS coming? They are not only dumb and blind, but clueless as well.

    Then to make it all worse, they trot out Susan Rice to do what she does best--lie, and lie, and lie some more about how he "served with honor and distinction". If by "serving with honor and distinction" she means being a deserter in a combat zone, and quite possibly a traiter, then yes, he served with honor and distinction. Plus how many Army guys got killed looking for this looney-tune? Six? A dozen or more?

    Supposedly the White House is trying to backtrack on Rice's words, but I haven't yet heard what new lies they will tell to try to cover up the original lies.

    They did accomplish one thing though: They got the media attention off the VA scandal. What's the latest total of vets who died while waiting for medical care?
  • Democrat
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    Chris Matthews shoud refresh himself on due process. He seems to have set himself up as judge and jury of Bergdahl.Why not let all the facts surface before the hanging.
  • Democrat
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    What facts are missing? So far the facts point to him being a deserter at best and a possibly a traitor /collaborator at worst, it is known that he left or wandered off of his assigned post leaving behind a weapon, court-martial offense BTW, it is known that by radio transmissions that there was an American soldier seeking someone who could speak English to help him find the elements of the Taliban, it was also a known factor of his opposing the mission of the Armed Forces in that region, there were E-mails to his parents regarding this issue also, so what more facts do you need to prove that he is at least a deserter.
  • Center Left
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    Maybe the actual trial. You do think they'll have one don't you ? At least a tough questioning by Connie Chung, or Oprah. His little town canceled their welcome home party because they didn't think a town of 8,000 could handle crazy hoards of Newscasters and cameramen..... that or they were afraid their local boy wasn't necessarily a hero.
  • Other Party
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    ..."wasn't necessarily a hero"... Yes, THAT has more to do with it than the expected throngs of people. Who can blame them for cancelling the celebration? No small town would want to be famous as the home of an Army deserter, possibly a traiter/enemy collaborator, and probably responsible for the deaths of several of his fellow soldiers.

    They are already getting PLENTY of bad publicity.

    As far as a trial, Berg will probably be given plenty of slack for what he's gone through in captivity. The captivity is his own fault, but still he probably went through hell. He may be more vegetable than human after all that.

    Still he should get his court martial, for the sake of the families of those who died looking for him, if no other reason.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I am surprised about how many "facts" are thrown around this website. Where did they come from..."Faux News"? So many people are calling him a deserter and that he should have been left to die in the hands of the Taliban. But as the New York Times has reported, Sergeant Bergdahl had twice before wandered off his base and returned each time...once in California and once in Afghanistan. So is his getting caught by the Taliban the third time bad luck on his part? Or was it an intentional desertion?

    Some Republicans and indeed some on this website have engaged in attacks against this man without any trial evidence or other clear evidence to back up their claims. Those that are ready to condemn him and execute need a reality check. Sergeant Bergdahl is entitled to be judged by a jury of military officers in a court martial hearing. Does anyone here disagree with that? Or are you siding with Fox News which is playing the role of judge and jury...and executioner?

    In 1944, Pvt. Eddie Slovik, ran from combat duty in France while deployed with the Army’s 28th Infantry Division. He was tried and found guilty of desertion. He was hence executed by a 12 man firing squad...the last man to ever be executed for desertion by the military. Now some on the far right are frothing at the mouth and calling for Bergdahl's execution. I think that's wrong and sick.

    GOP Psychopath Calls for the Execution of Recently Released U.S. Hostage

    The facts are that Bergdahl joined the army perhaps with a misguided vision of what he would be doing. Is he the only soldier in the whole military to question what the hell we are doing in Afghanistan?

    Bowe Bergdahl joined the army and served honorably, with the exception of being somewhat of a free spirit by walking off the base. He was promoted from private all the way to Sergeant, something that could not have happened if his tenure in the army was less than honorable. In fact his reputation was quite good, but like many others he started to question the purpose and futility of that war. And yes he showed admiration for the Afghan people, but we are not at war with the Afghans nor officially even against the Taliban.

    People are condemning not only Berdahl but his father for growing a f**kin beard. Is that the litmus test now of patriotism? Berdahl's father is not patriotic because he grew a beard which just happens to look a lot like those Taliban prisoners...and the Boston Red Sox players? Sheesh.

    I have examined all the events and I agree 100 percent with President's actions. If I was in his shoes I would have done exactly the same thing. And I would guess that if Mitt Romney or John McCain was president, they would also have done exactly the same thing...except they wouldn't have had the far right propaganda machine condemning their actions. They would have been cheered instead of attacked.