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President Obama in Afghanistan

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  • Other Party
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    The president is in Afghanistan, not a big surprise, and maybe it's for the last time. If we pull out completely, this maybe the last presidential visit. Supposedly it depends on the new president of Afghanistan, and maybe he'll tell us to get the hell out and stay out.

    How many more lives, and how many more billions, will be wasted for nothing in this useless war which President Obama should have ended at least 4 years ago?

    This holiday weekend, I thought he'd go to the tomb of the unknown soldier and lay a wreath.

    And maybe even go to the tomb of the unknown veteran who died waiting for healthcare from the VA, and lay a wreath there, too.



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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    We have discussed this many times and I have repeatedly informed you the President doesn't have the legal authority to end this conflict on his own. I know you like to blame the President because the sun isn't shining outside, but it is inaccurate to blame him for this war. It is also inaccurate for you to say that he could have ended this war 'at least 4 years ago.' He can't just tell the Congress what he is going to do. Our system of Government doesn't work that way. And if there is one thing our Congress always does on a bipartisan basis, it is spending hundreds of billions of dollars on our military each year.
  • Other Party
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    Did he have the authority to "surge" the "conflict" on his own? He wanted to do it and he got it done.

    If he had wanted to do the right thing, and end the "conflict" he may have gotten that done as well. He didn't try.

    How many needlessly killed by Obamas surge? How many children lost their fathers? And mothers? How many families permanently ruined?

    How many billions wasted?

    And for what? For absolutely nothing, that's what.

    Did Afghanistan attack us or even threaten us? Then why the war, I mean "conflict"?

    Bush was stupid enough to get us in this "conflict", and Obama was smart enough to get us out, but he chose not to, so who owns him?

    And the pentagon would gladly spend as many billions of dollars they can get their hands on without spending it in Afghanistan.
  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: We have discussed this many times and I have repeatedly informed you the President doesn't have the legal authority to end this conflict on his own. I know you like to blame the President because the sun isn't shining outside, but it is inaccurate to blame him for this war. It is also inaccurate for you to say that he could have ended this war 'at least 4 years ago.' He can't just tell the Congress what he is going to do. Our system of Government doesn't work that way. And if there is one thing our Congress always does on a bipartisan basis, it is spending hundreds of billions of dollars on our military each year.
    Obama sure seemed to think he could when he made the campaign promise (before his first term) that if elected he would have all US troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan within 18 months. He can't do so, but he thought he could
  • Center Left
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    This is an interesting post. Useless war, wasted debt., wasted lives = expanded to include widows widowers, children without a parent or grandparent.
    Lost sons and daughters, wives, husbands, partners.... Brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles, grandchildren..... It undoubtedly effects so many.
    Does it amaze anyone else that 99% of the rest of the world isn't attacking or occupying any other countries without an invitation. It's a twisted US thought that we should shape as much as possible - worldwide.... because our ideas are just better.
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    A huge Industrial lobby. States with good paying jobs. Politicians who think this makes them patriotic. We need the employment as well.
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: This is an interesting post. Useless war, wasted debt., wasted lives = expanded to include widows widowers, children without a parent or grandparent.
    Lost sons and daughters, wives, husbands, partners.... Brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles, grandchildren..... It undoubtedly effects so many.
    Does it amaze anyone else that 99% of the rest of the world isn't attacking or occupying any other countries without an invitation. It's a twisted US thought that we should shape as much as possible - worldwide.... because our ideas are just better.
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    A huge Industrial lobby. States with good paying jobs. Politicians who think this makes them patriotic. We need the employment as well.
    Tony you said it correctly; all wars since WWII of which we were involved actually did not solve anything except hundreds of thousands dead, let alone its cost. This country should stop the glorification of our invasions and militarism; personaly I think it is a kind of inferiority complex, in order to hide the shortcomings at home. All the flag waving does not get the fallen back so that is another cover up; lets party and barbecue. NUTS.

    When is this country going to wake up and start hating to have useless wars or people here with guns who kill their own folks.

    If you look from the outside to this country you probably think this country only consist of hypocrites; keep waving those flags and hand out cheapy medals, that will help!!!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Just a few quotes from Obama in case there is any doubt on where he stood on Afghanistan...before he was elected and in the first year after being elected:

    USA Today, Obama's words on Afghanistan


    Aug. 1, 2007, speech at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars titled "The War We Need to Win."

    "As president, I would deploy at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan to re-enforce our counterterrorism operations and support NATO's efforts against the Taliban. As we step up our commitment, our European friends must do the same, and without the burdensome restrictions that have hampered NATO's efforts. We must also put more of an Afghan face on security by improving the training and equipping of the Afghan army and police."

    July 20, 2008, interview with CBS News after meeting with Afghan President Hamid Karzai in Kabul. This was Obama's first trip to Afghanistan.

    "The Afghan government needs to do more. But we have to understand that the situation is precarious and urgent here in Afghanistan. And I believe this has to be our central focus, the central front, on our battle against terrorism. ...

    "I think one of the biggest mistakes we've made strategically after 9/11 was to fail to finish the job here, focus our attention here. We got distracted by Iraq. ...

    "For at least a year now, I have called for two additional brigades, perhaps three. I think it's very important that we unify command more effectively to coordinate our military activities. But military alone is not going to be enough."

    Feb. 17, 2009, announcing that he would send in 17,000 additional troops in Afghanistan.

    "There is no more solemn duty as president than the decision to deploy our armed forces into harm's way. I do it today mindful that the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan demands urgent attention and swift action. The Taliban is resurgent in Afghanistan, and al-Qaeda supports the insurgency and threatens America from its safe-haven along the Pakistani border. ...

    "This reinforcement will contribute to the security of the Afghan people and to stability in Afghanistan.

    "I recognize the extraordinary strain that this deployment places on our troops and military families.

    "I honor their service, and will give them the support they need. ...

    "This increase is necessary to stabilize a deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, which has not received the strategic attention, direction and resources it urgently requires."
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    There's more at the USA Today link, but this should be enough. One can certainly question the wisdom of this strategy, but one cannot say it wasn't a part of his strategy...a surprise for those that elected him. And no where did I find that he promised to end that war in 18 months.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I should add that the "18 months" that some people may be confused about was in reference to the Iraq war. Combat operations in Iraq ended on August 31, 2010...as Obama promised. And complete withdrawal was on December 18, 2010...as Obama promised.

    Those dates were consistent with his campaign pledges and statements made shortly after taking office.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jamesn Wrote: Did he have the authority to "surge" the "conflict" on his own? He wanted to do it and he got it done.
    Yes, as commander in chief, he does. However, he is still reliant on Congress to provide the funding for his order. If they don't provide the funding, then he doesn't have the authority.

    jamesn Wrote: If he had wanted to do the right thing, and end the "conflict" he may have gotten that done as well. He didn't try.
    He was elected in 2008 on a platform of ending the Iraq conflict and surging the conflict in Afghanistan. You may have disagreed with that, but that was his platform all along.

    jamesn Wrote: How many needlessly killed by Obamas surge? How many children lost their fathers? And mothers? How many families permanently ruined?

    How many billions wasted?

    And for what? For absolutely nothing, that's what.
    Do you honestly think that President Obama gleefully sits in the Situation Room and dictates how many children will become fatherless on a given day? This quagmire is hell. I understand it's easy to blame Obama for everything, but the realities of this conflict are far more complicated.

    jamesn Wrote: Did Afghanistan attack us or even threaten us? Then why the war, I mean "conflict"?

    Bush was stupid enough to get us in this "conflict", and Obama was smart enough to get us out, but he chose not to, so who owns him?
    Are you honestly saying that Afghanistan had no role in the 9/11 attacks? Really? Look--I get your frustration and understand that you are tired of war. I am as well, but it's important to approach this debate in a logical manner.

    Al-Aaeda attacked us on 9/11. They staged this attack from Afghanistan with the tacit approval of the Taliban government who ran the country. Osama Bin Laden and countless other individuals were given free haven in the country and the Taliban government would not give them up after the attack. These are facts.

    If you want to have a discussion about who the hijackers were and what country they hailed from, then I think you and I would be on a similar page. I think it's a travesty we ignored that most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia and had no connections to Afghanistan other than training in that country. That is something our government should have pursued more than it had, but that has nothing to do with the fact that the attacks were planned and directed from Afghanistan.

    jamesn Wrote: And the pentagon would gladly spend as many billions of dollars they can get their hands on without spending it in Afghanistan.
    We have finally found something we agree on.
  • Independent
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    Just a stupid question; how many years are we already in Afghanistan (12 years?) that means 3 presidential terms. Which also means we spent huge amounts of money over those twelve years as well as lives. WWII lasted 5 years; we must have slowed down in "winning" wars since Vietnam; it must be the "white powder" harvested in Afghanistan which keeps this going. Congratulations America you scored big again on your arrogance and brainless wars.
  • Liberal
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    But, Bush, Cheany and Rumsfeld are smiling big time!
  • Independent
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    The latest; sorry to say Obama has decided "secretly" to EXPAND this war and said it will be classified actions, on top of the already approved extention for 10 years of this war. I just wonder , his promise was to conclude this war the end of this year, so another lost promise. This is going to cost us dearly on top of the expansion in Iraq. I guess the reason behind this is the fear the same thing as in Iraq will happen there.
    Sorry huge mistake; doing more in Afghanistan with drones etc. will have the opposite effect; the more you kill the more they will hate us and indeed get a stronger Taliban/Al Qaida etc. I said that many times; but our government thinks you can do it all with weapons and money, forget it.
  • Independent
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    obama is in a catch 22. he should have simply pulled out and left. afganistan and iraq are failures and will be failures. iraq was an artificial construct of the the brits at the end of ww1. afganistan is simply marked on a map which encloses tribes who care little for each other. the problem is a political one because leaving the area will be perceived by the electorate, which has the attention span of a gnat with adhd, as a failure of the democrats thanks to the superior agitprop skills of republicans. pundits will harrumph about the deems being "soft on terror" as though terror had anything to do with either invasion.

    leave now. the bottom line is that staying in either place means spending billions more while the mayor of kabul and the regime in iraq happily watch americans spill blood and money.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Leaving now is a choice. It is difficult to predict the outcome if we left them to fight it out. The memories of the Rwanda genocide still linger, and one might draw parallels between that genocide and the events on the ground with ISIS now. It is indeed a catch 22
    Genocide in Rwanda

    "In the weeks after April 6, 1994, 800,000 men, women, and children perished in the Rwandan genocide, perhaps as many as three quarters of the Tutsi population. At the same time, thousands of Hutu were murdered because they opposed the killing campaign and the forces directing it."

    America did nothing.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: Leaving now is a choice. It is difficult to predict the outcome if we left them to fight it out. The memories of the Rwanda genocide still linger, and one might draw parallels between that genocide and the events on the ground with ISIS now. It is indeed a catch 22
    Genocide in Rwanda

    "In the weeks after April 6, 1994, 800,000 men, women, and children perished in the Rwandan genocide, perhaps as many as three quarters of the Tutsi population. At the same time, thousands of Hutu were murdered because they opposed the killing campaign and the forces directing it."

    America did nothing.
    Schmidt, you should know by now, that the US is only interested if it concerns us; in Rwanda there is nothing to gain for the 1% . But to be honest what is there to gain in Afghanistan, unless it is only lost pride, like Vietnam.