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Gay Marriage Bans Are Getting Struck Down, state by state by state


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    marriage is a license, issued by the state

    it has no religious meaning, at all .... wican's get them, pagans get them, atheist get them

    each state sets requirements on who can get these licenses .... you have to be a certain age, you have to be a state resident, you can't already be married, you can't marry a relative, etc etc

    each state's people decide that - its not age discrimination to say 15 year old's can't marry, its not resident discrimination, its not biological discrimination and its not polygamist discrimination either... its requirements to get a license applied equally and fairly to EVERYONE

    I am no longer opposed to gay marriage if a state wants to allow it. I don't care if a states decides polygamy is allowed, if incest marriages are allowed or if 14 year old's can marry - that's a State and its people to decide, I don't have to live there if I don't like it.

    Fed Govt has nothing to do or say on it - period. They need to stay out of it.

    For taxation purposes, civil unions are all that's needed

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    conservativecat Wrote:

    I am no longer opposed to gay marriage if a state wants to allow it. I don't care if a states decides polygamy is allowed, if incest marriages are allowed or if 14 year old's can marry - that's a State and its people to decide, I don't have to live there if I don't like it.


    What about denial? How far can any state go in defining state laws to deny marriage licences? Is everything on the table, at least hypothetically, because that's all this is, hypothetical. I am not suggesting I agree\disagree with the comment\, just wanting to understand the parameters of states rights on this issue.

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    its the people and laws of the state - they can decide how they want as long as its equally applied to everyone

    its not age discrimination to say 15 year olds can't marry - because its equally and fairly applied to everyone right? I look at all the requirements and rules of State laws the same way. Hunting licenses, fishing licenses, vendor licenses, lawyer licenses .... all licenses have requirements that need met.

    Marriage laws have requirements too - they can be edited as well and should be by the people of the State, not the Federal Govt IMO.

    I have no problems with States editing their laws or passing constitutional amendments on it either. That's the State's rights

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    conservativecat Wrote:

    its the people and laws of the state - they can decide how they want as long as its equally applied to everyone

    its not age discrimination to say 15 year olds can't marry - because its equally and fairly applied to everyone right? I look at all the requirements and rules of State laws the same way. Hunting licenses, fishing licenses, vendor licenses, lawyer licenses .... all licenses have requirements that need met.

    Marriage laws have requirements too - they can be edited as well and should be by the people of the State, not the Federal Govt IMO.

    I have no problems with States editing their laws or passing constitutional amendments on it either. That's the State's rights

    If the majority of the people in a state vote for something specific, why can't they pass state marriage laws that favor one group of people over another (ie favor themselves)?

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    They can and they do - every state issues licenses differently with different requirements etc. Marriage licenses is but one of many, many licenses given.

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    The Supreme court legalized marriage for persons who love one another. That crazy woman in Kentucky who wouldn't issue marriage licenses to gays defying the supreme court showed how crazy twisted people who are certain that they are more able to handle things than scotus are why crazy people should never have any authority.

    That crazy woman (Not worthy of being Googled) voted for the same presidential candidate as you !

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    conservativecat Wrote:

    They can and they do - every state issues licenses differently with different requirements etc. Marriage licenses is but one of many, many licenses given.

    So hypocritically speaking, a state should be able to pass a law that prohibits interracial marriages or denies marriage licences to specific religions.

    Clearly no state would go that far, but you're saying a state could go to any extreme if that is what the majority supported.


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    The Supreme court legalized marriage for persons who love one another.

    so two brothers can marry? a mother can marry her son? a 55 year old can marry a 12 year old? a person from mexico and one from Oklahoma can get a Florida marriage license? a man can marry both the women he loves?

    ahhhhh you see, the Supreme Court did no such thing. There is NO marriage equality ..... gays can marry now, but that's all that's changed, every other regulation and requirements remains in place.

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    There is no value in being intentionally rude. You understood he was making a general statement about the supreme court ruling on gay marriage.

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    wwjd no I'm dead serious - I'm not being rude. I've asked the few gay friends I have the same questions and the response is "we can't allow that to happen !" Which brings very interesting discussion

    Why? Because they don't agree with polygamy and incest and they believe in age discrimination, they don't accept or tolerate those things, so its ok to not allow it, to have requirements for a license that bans those kinds or marriages.

    Sound familiar? The SC didn't give marriage freedom - far far from that. It gave gays the ability to marry, but it did nothing for everyone else who is banned from marriage licenses because of the laws as they're written.

    I can't help but again come away thinking that its a states rights issue. If Utah wants to grant polygamy - well they're mormon by far, they can do that if they want. If WV wants to allow incest, they can vote it in. Has nothing to do with anyone else right?

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    I want to marry my horse, but still have to decide if I prefer the cat. What should I choose???
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    Dutch - neither, the discriminatory laws on the books doesn't accept your love of horse or cat. Maybe if you found a good judge you could get a ruling .... but you'll likely never get it passed though public voting.
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    conservativecat Wrote: Why? Because they don't agree with polygamy and incest and they believe in age discrimination, they don't accept or tolerate those things, so its ok to not allow it, to have requirements for a license that bans those kinds or marriages.

    This is what drives me up a wall. Comparing two consenting adults marrying the person they love to bestiality or pedophilia is the biggest red herring I have ever heard in my entire life.

    A twelve year old girl can't give consent. A dog can't give consent. A grown man or woman CAN.

    Do you understand the difference between a twelve year old girl being forced to marry someone and a grown man choosing to marry the person he loves?

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    wwjd no I'm dead serious - I'm not being rude. I've asked the few gay friends I have the same questions and the response is "we can't allow that to happen !" Which brings very interesting discussion

    Sure, people are inconsistent in their values all the time. A black man may experience racism all his life, called "boy" almost every day, hate racism laws, but still support laws the prohibit interracial marriages. He supports some laws that still discriminate against him\others. In his mind it makes perfect sense. I suspect deep down, there is some internal conflict about what he does not like vs what he knows to be his own personal racism.

    If WV wants to allow incest, they can vote it in. Has nothing to do with anyone else right?

    What two consenting adults do in privacy is their business and there shouldn't be laws that set restrictions on adult sexual relationships. Consenting adults explore all kinds of sexual fantasies.

    What do you mean by age discrimination as it relates to marriage laws?

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    Comparing two consenting adults marrying the person they love to bestiality or pedophilia is the biggest red herring I have ever heard in my entire life.

    fair enough and you make a valid point - age discrimination laws keep under 16's or 17's from consenting - right now. Those laws can change.

    So you do favor polygamy, incest etc right? I can marry my Mom? My brother or sister? Of my mother and brother both if I chose to ?

    wwjd

    What do you mean by age discrimination as it relates to marriage laws?

    Males and females shall reach the age of 18 years to contract for a marriage license in Arkansas. Males age 17 or females ages 16 or 17, may be married with parental consent.

    Marriage. Marriage consists only of the union of one man and one woman. Marital status. Legal status for unmarried persons which is identical or substantially similar to marital status shall not be valid or recognized in Arkansas, except that the legislature may recognize a common law marriage from another state between a man and a woman. Capacity, rights, obligations, privileges, and immunities. The legislature has the power to determine the capacity of persons to marry, subject to this amendment, and the legal rights, obligations, privileges, and immunities of marriage.[2]

    Tell me which of the above is discrimination? It is defined as

    Age Discrimination. Age discrimination involves treating someone (an applicant or employee) less favorably because of his or her age.

    In Arkansas you have to meet the age requirements as set by the law, no different than the Constitutional amendment we passed as another definition of requirements (male and female only) Both apply equally and fairly to everyone. I couldn't marry when I was 16, my kids can't, my cousins can't, nobody can. Its a requirement - not a discrimination.

    I can't marry my son, my father, my best friend (same sex) ..... neither can any other male in Arkansas and that's not discrimination either, its applicable equally and fairly to everyone.

    See what I mean?