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    For all to read the web links, try searching on "History of President Mistresses", or "President Mistresses", or put the name of the president of your choice and add, "Mistress". I was surprised at the forthcoming of research. Although, I was not surprised at finding excerpts of Carter and Truman not falling prey to the clutches of a Lewinsky woman and of course, we have Obama. Hopefully Obama is smart enough to not fall prey less Michelle cracks his skull with a vase from the Lincoln room. One of those links I read did indicate most all Presidents all 44 less two have committed adultery.
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    To GOP: it appears that NOTHING anybody says will satisfy you. Even if Jesus himself came down & told you that nothing had happened, you would probably tell Jesus that HE was lying, & should just come clean & tell the truth. (ha) NOBODY but Monica & Bill know the Truth, they were the only ones there. After the wiretapping the phone, done by a Republican woman (Linda Tripp) who expected to reap Fame & Glory, plus quite a few mega-bucks for a tell-all Book, (just for a few lies & exaggerations) -- (gasp) LIES?? & Exaggerations? OMG. Say it isn't so. Linda & Monica LIED.

    Did you know, that besides "rigging 2 federal elections", George W. Bush was AWOL while in the National Guard? while thousands of other young soldiers were killed in Viet Nam? Speaking of LYING, Bush Jr not only lied to the American people that Saddam Hussein had "Weapons of Mass Destruction" -- but he lied to the UNITED NATIONS to get all of our Allies involved in that stupid war in IRAQ, & got THEIR young soldiers killed, too. THEN for those lies, we BOMBED a few nations into near extinction, including parts of IRAQ that were the original Garden of Eden (in the Bible). That stupid LYING WAR, lasted over TEN YRS, & I can't even begin to estimate the COST to our ECONOMY to pay for all the guns, tanks, ships, helicopters, uniforms, bomber planes, MRE's (dinners) & shipped-over purified water, plus medical supplies, & the salaries for 100,000's of soldiers & BlackWater guys, & so on, which basically BANKRUPTED the USA, but made a whole big bundle of CASH for the Super RICH GOP who "invested" in the WAR MACHINE - & - got filthy rich while our boys died & got crippled.

    Oh, it is such a sweet wonderful thing to enrich the OIL companies, while killing half of our young men, -- the Hope of the Future. Oh how very glorious to make the Rich crooks in the GOP even richer, while they hide the profits in overseas bank accts, so as to avoid paying their fair share of TAXES, which are supposed to be paid to Uncle Sam to PAY for the stupid WAR, so the poor people whose sons are dying, do not have to shoulder the whole burden on themselves. NOT TO MENTION that "TAX EVASION" is a FELONY. But do you see the GOP in Prison for that? NO because they have also set up a CRIMINAL system whereby NO RICH guy ever pays for his crimes. But Oh, God, it is such a very serious thing if some one like Bill Clinton should be even "suspected" of telling a lie, the whole earth would crash and burn. Since "lying" is such a horrible thing. Even the bare thought of a LIE, is enough to shatter the universe -- but a FEW LYING WARS, costing $$Billions, killing millions of people, --- NO BIG DEAL.

    (Warning: this may be classified as a "rant" -- which clears your arteries & raises your blood pressure. But it sure FEELS REAL GOOD : )
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    jamesn Wrote: President Clinton, with all his faults, who was a pretty bad person, was STILL the last good president we've had.
    I disagree. Clinton just happened to president when the .com boom was happening. Forget whitewater???? Clinton also is responsible for the most massive addition to the war on drugs. He expanded it 10 fold


    it's like when truckers tell me what a great guy jimmy Hoffa was...... Hoffa was a thief and a crook who just happened to be president during great strides by workers...... He was shit. I promote unions as a culture amongst working people...never as an institution. Workers are the union, not the leadership
    L.A. to say that Clinton was the last good president is setting the bar pretty low.

    Obama has turned out to be a failure, and I don't have anything good to say about his predecessor.

    Sure, Clintons timing was good as far as .com is concerned, but he did not start or expand any wars, unlike Obama and Bush, and he had a balanced budget, unlike Obama and Bush. There are always going to be some scandals, large or small, real or manufactured, but overall I'd sure take him over what we've had since he's been out of office.

    The Clinton years were peace and prosperity...so what's not to like?
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    jamesn Wrote: Obama has turned out to be a failure, and I don't have anything good to say about his predecessor.
    That's an awfully strong charge and one not backed up by the facts. Let's take a look at some of his accomplishments...

    Obamacare--Passing health care reform for the first time in decades was, as Vice President Biden so eloquently stated, a Big Fuc*ing Deal. An insurance company can no longer discriminate against anyone for any reason. While the law doesn't go as far as I'd like, it is still a massive accomplishment if you sit back and consider that millions of people now have access to health insurance for the first time.

    Ending Iraq Conflict--Remember that terrible charade? He promised to get us out and he did.

    Nominating and getting TWO women confirmed to serve on the Supreme Court--THIS will be his lasting legacy.

    Refusing to defend DOMA--Obama has done more for gay rights in five years than all President's added up. There is still a long way to go, but he, and Vice President Biden, helped light the spark behind this current wave of pro gay rights rulings throughout the country.

    Saving 'The Big 3'--2009 seems so long ago, but he and his team made an extremely unpopular decision to bail out the American auto companies and saved thousands upon thousands of jobs.

    I can go on and on about his record. I appreciate you are frustrated with certain aspects of his Presidency, but to call him a failure is inaccurate.

    jamesn Wrote: The Clinton years were peace and prosperity...so what's not to like?
    Have you forgotten Somalia ('93), Bosnia ('93), Haiti ('94), Iraq ('98), Kosovo ('99), to name only a few? America was constantly engaged in military conflicts throughout Clinton's Presidency.
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    jamesn Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    jamesn Wrote: President Clinton, with all his faults, who was a pretty bad person, was STILL the last good president we've had.
    I disagree. Clinton just happened to president when the .com boom was happening. Forget whitewater???? Clinton also is responsible for the most massive addition to the war on drugs. He expanded it 10 fold


    it's like when truckers tell me what a great guy jimmy Hoffa was...... Hoffa was a thief and a crook who just happened to be president during great strides by workers...... He was shit. I promote unions as a culture amongst working people...never as an institution. Workers are the union, not the leadership
    L.A. to say that Clinton was the last good president is setting the bar pretty low.

    Obama has turned out to be a failure, and I don't have anything good to say about his predecessor.

    Sure, Clintons timing was good as far as .com is concerned, but he did not start or expand any wars, unlike Obama and Bush, and he had a balanced budget, unlike Obama and Bush. There are always going to be some scandals, large or small, real or manufactured, but overall I'd sure take him over what we've had since he's been out of office.

    The Clinton years were peace and prosperity...so what's not to like?
    No sir Mr james

    the last good president was Jimmy Carter..... many people don't really look at what type of president he was....they get all their info from TV. The Clintons aren't good people. please google THE CLINTON DRUG WAR LEGACY
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    jared Yet nothing on the scale of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    But, you are right and I stand corrected.

    All those "conflicts" added together, would be less than a tiny speck on the horizon compared to what we have been through since Clinton left office.
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    No Sir Mr L.A. Clinton was the last good president even though he was a scumbag.

    Carter was the last good person who was president, and there's a difference. Carter was a lousy president in many ways, but he was, and he is, a decent person. He was too nice and too honest to be a good president.

    I still remember his energy policy: Put on three more sweaters and turn your thermostat down. And thanks for the American hostages held in Iran for 444 days.

    And when you say ..."The Clintons aren't good people"... you will get no argument from me on that point. Their thirst for power is what drives them and is what has kept them married through his decades of affairs with untold numbers of women.
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    It is amusing to find so many people (here) who are supposed to be either Democrats, liberals, moderates, undecideds, or sympathetic to the "left" ideology, spending ALL their time criticizing vehemently, every Democratic President since the dinosaurs. I don't think we have ever had ANY President HALF as bad as the Bush legacy, not even in our nightmares. The outright criminality of the Republican Party, in its BEST moments is legendary. I feel sorry for the GOP, which has lost its way, because once they had a few greats, including Eisenhower. I've been told about the era when the Democrats & Republicans got together in earnest goodwill discussion on how to solve all our mutual problems in this nation, and to make fair-minded solutions that were acceptable to both sides, instead of extortion to get the most Money or Power out of the situation.

    Nowadays, GOP negotiations are more like blackmail than reasonable discussion. You might as well have the Mafia there, to enforce their radical policies, & their sick tyrannical agenda. I used to have respect for the "old" GOP, the Republican Party that used to have integrity & operated on a fairly logical mindset. NOW it is like the fanaticism has eroded their brain. Little remains of the "dear old elephant" who used to walk alongside our brave little donkey, side by side, through all the tragedies & all the good times, like good pals, who may have some differences, but what really mattered was to preserve our greatest ideals, the democracy of our founding fathers, the tolerance for individual rights, the Faith that we were able to solve any problems, with trust & perseverance, & the Help of God.

    But the "dear old elephant" has been killed, who used to be our trusted ally, who helped us fight the world shaking Wars we had in the early 20th century. There were no fights between Democrats & Republicans then. We were too busy fighting the Nazi's and the Communists & Evil Empires all over the world. We were too busy fighting PURE EVIL to harbor resentments between ourselves. But within the last 55 years, our old enemies have been working inside our nation, covertly taking over the inner-workings of our govt system, waiting for the day when they would have 50% of the American people brain-washed to believe such twisted ideas, that they could no longer recognize Truth from Fiction.

    Frankly, I would never have believed it. It is almost like the old sci-fi Brain-Snatchers. What ever happened to the "good" old Republicans? What ever was used to destroy their common sense? What was planted in their brain cells to destroy Logic and Reason? Did they all get hooked on some hallucinogenic? Are they all in a "trance" when they listen to Limbaugh's daily batch of manure? Limbaugh is sometimes fascinating to listen to, since you wonder HOW they GOT TO HIM, besides paying him a despicable pile of LOOT, which would finance a few small countries. He was of course nurtured & bribed by the ULTRA Right Wing, (the covert Nazi's & Fascists operating in our corporate world). Their goal is pure Greed, using money to win the Hearts & Minds of the American People. While destroying the "minds" of the American people. (which they don't ever tell you). Soon you hear adult human beings call Rushbo & say, "Hi, Rush, I am a "ditto head."

    Good Grief, that means they are confessing in public (on the air) that they do not think for themselves at all, but can only mindlessly REPEAT whatever Rushbo tells them. And they are PROUD of that. (Proud of having to "rent a brain"). But then it gets fairly sinister, when the right wing can actually dictate to supposedly intelligent adults that they should NOT listen to SCIENCE. Hmmm - you don't have to be a Rocket Scientist to KNOW that our knowledge in the USA & the world for the last 600 years has all come from Science. All technology (like computers) comes from Science, as does all of our recent Medical advances and cures for diseases. All our cars & airplanes are by-products from Science, as is also our space program & satellites in orbit.

    Our original Founding Fathers said they were in the Age of Enlightenment, the beginnings of such Great Intellectual & Scientific Development, that it would lead to a much better life for all mankind. As Thomas Paine said, "We have it in our power to begin the world over again." (From his "Common Sense" - 1776). But now, of course, the Repubs want to take us all BACKWARD, take away all the greatest creations of mankind, take away our modern civilization, our govt of "freedom", your rights as individuals to think for yourselves, & make you all slaves to whatever the "dictator" tells us we are allowed to do. The GOP represents pure bloody Fascism, a giant step "backward" for all mankind.

    IN THE NEAR FUTURE we could see America destroyed by this Fascist "parasite", growing in the American landscape, nurtured for over 55 years by the John Birch Society and all its GOP political allies. Including of course, the TEA PARTY. Totally subsidized by the Koch Brothers, from their Wichita KS oil business. (& multiple other business interests). Which they inherited from their father (Fred C. Koch) who was on the John Birch Society national council. After Fred Koch came back to the USA, after living in (Russia) being trained in the OIL industry by friends of the Communist dictator Joseph Stalin. Daddy Koch then got on the JBS national council with several GOP candidates, including Barry Goldwater, (who ran for US President in 1964), & Revilo Oliver, (founder of neo-Nazi groups & supporter of white supremacy groups (like KKK). All kinds of fanatics and fringe groups were in the JBS -- as will be explained later on. It will boggle your mind.
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    the party of Lincoln is now the party of George Wallace 2.0
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    jamesn Wrote: No Sir Mr L.A. Clinton was the last good president even though he was a scumbag.

    Carter was the last good person who was president, and there's a difference. Carter was a lousy president in many ways, but he was, and he is, a decent person. He was too nice and too honest to be a good president.

    I still remember his energy policy: Put on three more sweaters and turn your thermostat down. And thanks for the American hostages held in Iran for 444 days.

    And when you say ..."The Clintons aren't good people"... you will get no argument from me on that point. Their thirst for power is what drives them and is what has kept them married through his decades of affairs with untold numbers of women.
    Had we paid attention and put more sweaters on and turned down our thermostats back when Carter was president surely wouldn't be paying damn near 5.00 a gallon. as far as the hostages...Carter made the call and the helicopter crashed. Shit happens. as I recall all Americans were told to get out prior to all this....but you know...us stubborn gluttonous Americans.... never listen.

    You got stop blaming presidents for criminal acts committed against anyone.. they can't control that. The Clintons have been shrouded in shady dealings since the beginning.

    Eternal,

    I don't make excuses for anyones actions simply because of their party affiliation. Right is Right. I'm not a democrat. there's no labor party so I guess I'm just an ass hole until they create it.
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    When a president starts useless wars...I will blame him.

    When a president expands a useless war...I will blame him.

    When a president says they will cut the deficit in half then they double it...I will blame him.

    When presidents look right into the camera and tell lies to the American people...I will blame them.

    You can give them a pass...not me, and of course some people will never blame anyone if they are in one political party or another...not me. A crook is a crook, a liar is a liar, a scumbag is a scumbag...regardless of party.

    I'm not brainwashed or blinded by one political party or another.
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    jamesn Wrote: When a president starts useless wars...I will blame him.

    When a president expands a useless war...I will blame him.

    When a president says they will cut the deficit in half then they double it...I will blame him.

    When presidents look right into the camera and tell lies to the American people...I will blame them.

    You can give them a pass...not me, and of course some people will never blame anyone if they are in one political party or another...not me. A crook is a crook, a liar is a liar, a scumbag is a scumbag...regardless of party.

    I'm not brainwashed or blinded by one political party or another.
    The issue was the Iran hostages. Jimmy Carter didn't abduct, didn't lie to the public and yet you mentioned his name in blame in your earlier post
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    I just get mad when 5 or 6 people spend HOURS bashing every single Democratic President on earth, (often for imaginary issues made up by the Birch Society and right-wing media sources (as part of their propaganda machine) -- when this is supposed to be a DEMOCRATIC HUB. I don't mind some mild criticism once in awhile, but OBSTINATE CHARACTER ASSASSINATION, & endless repetition of FALSE accusations is just too much for me to tolerate. All the false issues (against Democrats) being repeated here are BIRCH BULL-SHIT, & straight out of Republican Looney Tunes Mythology. There are NO perfect persons on this earth, but on average, I think (& know) that the general character & performance of the Democratic Party are FAR SUPERIOR, even on their worst day, than the morals & character of the GOP could ever dream to be.

    Some of it is not always the fault (of the GOP), since their party has been taken over by the John Birch Society & brain-washed for 55 years. They are just mesmerized by the lilting voices of Lush Limbo & Makeall Savage. But in America, they DO have the CHOICE to just TURN THE CHANNEL on their Radio, --- or on TV, -- they could watch REAL NEWS instead of "Faux Fur" and other forms of Air Pollution.

    By the way, NONE of this could have happened (or not as easily) except for Republican President Ronald REAGAN got rid of the Fairness Doctrine, which required "equal time" for both sides of an issue, so it was not just "all one way." On right-wing stations, you NEVER hear both sides of any issue, in fact it would probably be ILLEGAL. Then the right-wing proceeds to tell their audience that they should never listen to the "lame stream media" --- ho ho ho -- so funny. But they are so brain-washed that they FOLLOW those instructions. So soon, they never hear any real TRUTH anymore, & get quickly robot-ized into right-wing "fake" ideology. (That was all Reagan's fault & I don't know why it never got corrected).

    When negative numbskull stuff I am hearing here is exactly word-for-word the same as Birch Barf-Blabber & Limbo Maggot-Mouth, you know it is not the idealistic types of liberal people we usually encounter in a Democratic setting. We like individual differences, & non-conformity, but not just blind followers of the Fourth Reich. While we all cherish our rights to criticize our leaders or their leadership, it should not become a festival of free
    for-all punching-bag combat on a President, due to silly misinformation put out by the professional LIARS of the GOP.
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    jamesn Wrote: When a president starts useless wars...I will blame him.

    When a president expands a useless war...I will blame him.

    When a president says they will cut the deficit in half then they double it...I will blame him.

    When presidents look right into the camera and tell lies to the American people...I will blame them.

    You can give them a pass...not me, and of course some people will never blame anyone if they are in one political party or another...not me. A crook is a crook, a liar is a liar, a scumbag is a scumbag...regardless of party.

    I'm not brainwashed or blinded by one political party or another.
    The issue was the Iran hostages. Jimmy Carter didn't abduct, didn't lie to the public and yet you mentioned his name in blame in your earlier post
    Actually the original issue was "The return of Monica Lewinski" and her decision to come forward with her account of her affair with President Clinton and the ensuing article in Vanity Fair.

    Why now? It's too early to have the most impact on Hillary's pending ascension to the throne. Is Monica trying to help or hurt Hillary?

    Or is she just doing it to get it out of her system?

    Why now?

    And I blame Carter for being a lousy president, which he was, but also point out that he was and still is a decent person. You are correct: Carter didn't lie to us, start a war, expand a war, or double the deficit. Carter was very much like Obama in some ways.
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    When you blame a president for a War, you better look for the Reason for the War. Some wars are inevitable due to the terrible circumstances, which are often beyond any President's control. I KNOW Obama wanted to end both the Iraq & Afghanistan Wars, & did his best to follow through on that ideal. But our generals kept insisting on another SURGE, so they could WIN -- & Obama (like most people) would think that the generals had some kind of "experience" in the art of warfare, so should know the best procedure to follow. But NO, many generals in the past (like the ones in Kennedy's era) were not only gung-ho, but almost psychotic pro-War (like General Lemnitzer) who wanted to "nuke" Cuba. Keep in mind that military brass get promotions in rank during wartime, & more medals & prestige. If not in a war, they feel useless. So if you ask for advice from a general or other high rank, they will always want a war, & then Obama or others would get embroiled in the mess that follows.