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The Return of Monica Lewinsky

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    What amazes me the most, is what ISN'T being said. That Monica Lewinsky was "best friends" with Linda Tripp, who was an aide or intern of Daddy Bush while HE was in the White House. Keep that in mind --- Monica (working for a Democratic President) is hanging around Linda Tripp, who is a close aide/intern of a Republican President. -- Hmmm -- I smell a "SET UP". Monica & Linda spent many hours on the phone talking about things Monica should do with/for the President. And it was Linda Tripp who told Monica to "keep the dress" & "don't launder it." The two of them giggling while they "set the trap" -- & meanwhile Linda Tripp had plans with her "literary agent" to write a BOOK.

    Because the phone line was being "recorded" without Monica's knowledge, there was a question if somebody was Guilty of illegal wire-tapping, & then perjury to cover up the illegal wiretapping. But Monica was no school-kid, she was 22 while working for Clinton, & that is old enough to be out of college & be married & have a baby. So she should have been mature enough to make her own "moral" decisions.

    She told Bill Clinton that she was "lonely" & "didn't have many boyfriends" because she was "too fat." Clinton is a man of many emotions, one of which is empathy & pity for those with problems. So he thought of his daughter, (in that position) & wanted to make Monica feel comfortable, so he bought her a book of poems, & a few small gifts. Meanwhile Monica & Tripp were scheming to bring his presidency crashing down.

    At the time, there was some lawsuit about Clinton & Paula Jones, where some girl who was basically a bar slut, was plotting with some right wing church outfit to say that Clinton had an affair with her. They had set her up to look like the Madonna, & that Clinton had enticed her up to his hotel room. (It was a long time ago, so Google it). Clinton says nothing happened, & I believe him. Why? Because Paula Jones boyfriend says she sat around bars at night, exposing her legs & trying to "pick up" all the guys, especially looking for a "rich boyfriend." In case you doubt her promiscuous behavior, she was later in "PlayBoy" with 12 naked photos of her. What innocent virginal Madonna would do THAT?

    In those years, if you want to know about "immoral behavior", the right-wing Special Prosecutor KEN STARR, was spending every minute of his time trying to "get the goods" on Bill Clinton for some real estate deal called WhiteWater. They arrested some employee of Bill's (I think her name was Susan McDougal) & told her what she had to say to get Bill in trouble. She said NO she wasn't going to LIE. So they put her into jail & kept her chained to a bed, wouldn't let her read anything, seldom let her out of her cell, & basically tortured her to get testimony against Bill. She was loyal (& honest) to the end. Meanwhile they arrested her husband, & soon he DIED in prison. God only knows what they did to HIM.

    There is a book about all this called "The Hunting of the President" --- giving many more details of Clinton's past political history, and most of the explanations of "The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy." [that Hillary had said was trying to bring down her husband.]

    And it was LINDA TRIPP, personal aide to George H.W. Bush, who started taping the phone conversations of Monica, looking for any good sexy material for her "book deal" with Lucianne Goldberg. And Tripp also gave the tapes to a secret service agent, which started the ball rolling to try to destroy Bill Clinton's career. Then there was the death of Vince Foster, TrooperGate, & many other "artificial" scandals that were only more set-ups, by the right-wing, to prevent the success of any Democrat's Presidential career. (Just like they are doing to Obama).

    At one point, both Monica & Linda were working at the Pentagon. At that level, they had access to lots of Top Secret material, plus to make contacts that may be "helpful" in getting (for instance) $80,000 per year salary. (Instead of being "fired" for their sleazy job skills).

    Somehow Monica manages to have enough money to go overseas to college. Wasn't it Oxford? & a Masters degree in Psychology?
    They both disappear from public notice. But NOW --- just as Hillary is beginning to advance her OWN career as the POTUS, the deep dark soul of the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" comes back to life. It's Mission: Take down any Democratic candidates for high office.

    GOP TREASON is back in business, to destroy Democracy. That also means to "destroy any Democrats in Executive Levels of Govt". The GOP are, and always have been Fascists, with plans (since 1958) to takeover the U.S. Govt, & turn it into a Fascist Oligarchy. But even more, begin to realize they are in compliance with global Communism, & so it is time to takeover America, they have succeeded in bankrupting us, they have crippled our federal govt, they have ruined our credit rating, their money rules our Supreme Court, Congress is 50% a puppet of the Koch Brothers (who got their fortune from USSR under Joseph Stalin). Their father, Fred C. Koch, LIVED in Russia, doing OIL deals.

    They got Bush to start a needless War which destroyed our finances & our world prestige. (Remember Condi Rice was educated in Russia). As Western Civilization is crumbling, decaying, the Russian leader, Putin, realizes this is the time to make his move. He right now has the power to "take back" what used to be USSR territory, & to Rule the World. All our enemy nations have "nukes", & China & other Communist countries are among the wealthiest in the world. They have succeeded. --- As Khruschev said, near 1962, "WE WILL BURY YOU."

    And as I have said several dozen times, you don't need the biggest Army, or the greatest fleet of Navy ships, or the most bombs in your underground arsenals, and you don't need the swiftest Air Force deployed all over the world. The only thing you have to do in order to DEFEAT your Enemy ----- is to BANKRUPT HIM. And it only took a few years under the Bush Family & the GOP to get that done.

    The GOP contains the elusive JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY, working for 55 years to subvert our Govt and our Democracy. They studied all the works of Stalin, Marx, Hitler & others, to learn how to subvert & takeover a govt. Goebbels (of Nazi Germany) taught how you must have a very active PROPAGANDA arm (in USA, it was the radio propaganda by Rush Limbaugh) to brainwash people to Vote Republican. Also, his radio show was used to scramble their brains, so they would "believe anything, no matter how irrational it was." Now, after 30 yrs, we can see how effective Rush was in gaining popularity & becoming the voice of the right wing. He was even appt'd an "Honorary Member of Congress" by the GOP.

    NOW, the John Birch Society has grown, mutated, hidden & camouflaged itself, grown in influence & power, & NOW usually presents itself more prominently as the TEA PARTY. (Yes, the wild crowd of circus clowns, but also includes Donald Trump). Most of the time you will hear the most backward, idiotic, brain-dead talk coming from members of Congress (in the GOP) & you can't imagine that guy ever getting thru the 5th grade in YOUR school. And people like Michelle Bachmann are even on the INTELLIGENCE Committee?? Meanwhile her husband claims he can "cure" gay people by bashing on a pillow? (The TEA PARTY -- actually IS -- the John Birch Society (in disguise). But do not forget, that the JBS
    has also grown & mutated. Many of their members have also joined the NRA, & the KKK, and several "neo-Nazi" groups.
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    Monica is not nor will she be the last young lady seduced by a powerful older man, considering that half (50%) of all marriages fail mostly due to some form of indiscretion by one of the partners, it should come as no surprise as to the sexual escapades of our leaders, that being said however is that that most of Americans hate being lied to, especially when the truth is hitting them right in the face. That to me was the problem, not the fact that a young lady 30 years his junior was allowing herself to used by this man.
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    John Birch Society...hmmm...I think the tea party is actually the reincarnation of the followers of George Wallace...they just have better suits.
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    Besides acting like a slut, trying to seduce a married man, but ALSO one with the most high political career in our US Govt, Monica was not only playing the whore, but trying to (deliberately) ruin his career and his marriage. And when you ruin a political career of the POTUS, not only the man & his wife are affected, but it affects the whole NATION, because a very valuable man has lost his job, so it can be resumed by his political enemies --- in this case, taken over by the GOP (alias JBS) -- aka -- the TEA PARTY.

    The Fact that it was most likely a SET-UP, by Monica working with Linda Tripp --- a personal aide & Intern of George H.W. BUSH, points directly to Political Sabotage, which is basically a furtive undercover attempt at TREASON. A deliberate set-up to unseat the POTUS of the world's largest super power. THIS should never be considered a childish prank. (Monica was at least 22, & Linda Tripp was approx 40). Both of them were old enough to know better. By keeping the dress, Monica knew she was trying to blackmail or destroy President Clinton. It was not ever a joke.

    Linda Tripp already had contacts with Lucianne Goldberg for a "book deal" -- & was looking for a juicy profitable "Tell All" where she could become world famous, & wealthy, and find herself idolized & acclaimed by the whole GOP underworld. What a coup for them, so they could defeat Clinton without having to compete with him politically, in an "honest" election. (And not even have to bribe people with Koch money).

    Eventually, Bill Clinton faced an "impeachment trial" (for perjury & obstruction of justice) & he was found NOT GUILTY. That is why he stayed in office afterwards. It was amusing to notice how many others (in the GOP) were also having "affairs" -- such as Henry Hyde & Newt Gingrich. In the GOP, Hypocrisy abounds. -- Some Repubs wanted to impeach Clinton for things they were actually doing themselves. (shock)? :)

    If you want to eliminate "liars" from the US Congress, you would have to get rid of over 50% of them on any given day.
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    So some believe that Monica seduced Bill!! seduction is a two way street and it is consensual , unless a date rape drug is used, this was not Bill's first conquest nor was it probably his last, as I said it was the act of lying that offended most of us and not the dalliance .
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    johnny yes I could almost believe that a completely powerless young woman like Monica was at fault, except for the history of decades of Bill's womanizing, and the dozens or hundreds of his victims.

    If not for his past "adventures" and the "evidence" on the blue dress, yeah, I could definitely almost believe Bill's original lies and denials.

    Of course his "apology" and his "admission" of guilt removed all doubt. Liar, liar, pants on fire!

    GUILTY!

    Disgusting person, but a decent president.
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    Apparently, you guys did not notice the JUDGMENT against Bill Clinton at the Impeachment Trial. It was NOT GUILTY. If you are going to carry on endlessly saying that he was LYING, then you do not acknowledge the voting of the U.S. Congress -- who found him NOT GUILTY. Do I have to tattoo it on his face? Repeat after ME, that Bill Clinton was found "NOT GUILTY" of "perjury" (equals lying) &/or obstruction of justice. And maybe we should repeat it ONE MORE TIME -- he was found NOT GUILTY by the U.S. Congress at his trial. Did you GET IT, yet? : )

    It would be nice to ALSO conveniently forget that the actions of 2 interns to U.S. Presidents "conspired" to attempt to destroy the career of a Democrat in office. As a voting Democrat, I take that very seriously. I hate any criminal behavior, but it is much worse to perform actions that border on or ARE acts of "Treason" against a legitimately elected President, who is the representative of all of us Americans.

    If you want to go back in History, many Presidents had mistresses. (Andrew Jackson, Franklin Roosevelt, Thomas Jefferson (with a slave), & there
    are many more. Apparently, the only reason Adam didn't cheat on Eve, was because there were NO OTHER females around. : )
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    Just because something is not proven, does not mean you are not guilty, remember if it doesn't fit, you must aquit, everyone knows OJ did it or had it done, but they just couldn't prove it.
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    Sorry, Johnee, I do not see any comparison with the OJ trial. That was a murder of at least 2 people, one being OJ's wife, and a jury of people who were basically "bribed" with tickets to Disneyland, or some such thing. It was such a mockery of justice, it is an icon of Ignorance. It only served to instruct America about the value of DNA evidence, but then they reached the "wrong" decision anyway, It was just a giant farce.

    But back to the Clinton "impeachment" trial, the actual CRIME going on there, was not whether Clinton & Monica sneaked a kiss or two is NOT the real CRIME. (For in the end, nobody died, nobody got pregnant, nobody got divorced, & nobody got fired). It turned out pretty well, considering all the possibiilties. However, the "mutual" attempt of Monica & George Bush's intern, (Linda Tripp) to try to blackmail or force Clinton out of office, is the REAL CRIME. The attempt (thru political intrigue) to destroy a duly elected President, is an act of Treason. The acts of wire tapping & collecting evidence, is part of that intent. A few people say the "evidence" on her blue dress was proof of sexual activity, but NOT necessarily. If I was the lawyer (or judge) on that matter, I would consider the possibility that somebody got ahold of a condom that he had "used" -- with his wife. Some maid could have found it in a White House wastebasket & later gave it to Linda or Monica. (for a small bribe, wink wink). Then Linda told Monica to pour the contents (DNA) on her dress, & then save it (don't launder it) & then use it to blackmail the President. It's THAT SIMPLE.
    So, therefore, the mere presence of semen on a dress doesn't prove a THING. Remember THIS: Things are not always what they seem.
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    A verdict or finding of NOT GUILTY does not mean INNOCENT. It only means that guilt was not proven.

    Yes, like OJ, and more recently George Zimmerman, Bill got off and he wasn't the first and won't be the last.

    Clinton admitted his guilt, and that was the first honest thing he said about the affair.

    "It depends on what your definition of 'is' is."

    Guilty...and he admitted it. He moved on and we should, too.
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    Shame on Bill Clinton for having sex with someone other than his wife -- period! Shame on Bill Clinton for having sex with someone other than his wife as other Presidents have done --- FDR and Eisenhower, for example.

    I have zero interest in Monica Lewinski. I understand how difficult her life has been. And, I don't care.

    She needs to shut up.
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    eternal flame Wrote: Sorry, Johnee, I do not see any comparison with the OJ trial. That was a murder of at least 2 people, one being OJ's wife, and a jury of people who were basically "bribed" with tickets to Disneyland, or some such thing. It was such a mockery of justice, it is an icon of Ignorance. It only served to instruct America about the value of DNA evidence, but then they reached the "wrong" decision anyway, It was just a giant farce.

    But back to the Clinton "impeachment" trial, the actual CRIME going on there, was not whether Clinton & Monica sneaked a kiss or two is NOT the real CRIME. (For in the end, nobody died, nobody got pregnant, nobody got divorced, & nobody got fired). It turned out pretty well, considering all the possibiilties. However, the "mutual" attempt of Monica & George Bush's intern, (Linda Tripp) to try to blackmail or force Clinton out of office, is the REAL CRIME. The attempt (thru political intrigue) to destroy a duly elected President, is an act of Treason. The acts of wire tapping & collecting evidence, is part of that intent. A few people say the "evidence" on her blue dress was proof of sexual activity, but NOT necessarily. If I was the lawyer (or judge) on that matter, I would consider the possibility that somebody got ahold of a condom that he had "used" -- with his wife. Some maid could have found it in a White House wastebasket & later gave it to Linda or Monica. (for a small bribe, wink wink). Then Linda told Monica to pour the contents (DNA) on her dress, & then save it (don't launder it) & then use it to blackmail the President. It's THAT SIMPLE.
    So, therefore, the mere presence of semen on a dress doesn't prove a THING. Remember THIS: Things are not always what they seem.
    The comparison made is not in the deed but what is known but not proven is the topic. It was the shameless deceit that was being put upon the public at large that was the issue..


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    Nobody but Monica & Bill know the truth. All else is conjecture by dirty minds, who think everybody who talks to anybody when alone, must be having rampant sex. Maybe the garbage man is doing it with 50% of the women on the block. Maybe Adam went astray with an exceptionally cute monkey, when Eve was out picking apples. Anybody can THINK what they want, but these days, people immersed in soap operas for 60 years on TV, tend to have more lurid imaginations as to what goes on in real life. Why are there so many dating services? Dozens of them? It must not be so "easy" to find sex, love & romance in the real world. If everybody was sneaking into the broom closet at work, they would not need to go register at a "Love for Sale" service.

    I try to feel sorry for Monica, but what she did could have denied Bill his full term as POTUS, & that is a very serious thing, especially if Monica & Linda Tripp dreamed up the whole scenario together. And one thing is sure, if they were NOT trying to cause trouble for Bill, WHY was Linda Tripp "wire-tapping" all their phone conversations? And why was Linda Tripp setting up a "book deal" with Lucianne Goldberg?

    Something sinister was going on, & it was done to get Bill Clinton impeached. Political Intrigue to destroy the POTUS of the world's biggest superpower. Done by an intern of Geo H.W. Bush, so that Republicans can takeover the govt & start other wars for OIL. God knows that the Koch Bros do not have enough million$$ yet, & need to Bomb a whole lot more nations into extinction, so they can pollute the rest of the planet.

    The LAST IMPEACHMENT we had in the USA, was Richard Nixon (approx 1968-1972). (Republican) --- His staff bugged the phones of Democrat Hdqtrs, (note the common theme of "bugging phones"?). Then the GOP had a brothel set up to entice Democrats to go there & they "taped" them having sex, so as to blackmail them. (another common theme, sex acts being recorded for blackmail purposes). It was hardly worth a mention that the Repubs were trying to "rig an election." There were lots of pay-offs going on, including $1,000,000 "hush" money, to silence the Watergate Burglars. And Atty Gen'l Mitchell had to keep his wife (a Democrat) locked up & sedated so she would not talk to the press. But she was shocked at the criminal things they (GOP) were doing, so she kept calling the press. At some point, she suddenly DIED, & at her funeral, the press put a huge wreath on her grave, which said "Martha Was Right". This episode of History was seen in the Movie "All the President's Men" - about the amazing two reporters Woodward & Bernstein, who worked at the Washington Post. Their work, along with DeepThroat, an FBI agent, helped to bring down President Nixon, & forced him to resign. // But now Contrast & Compare. -- Did Clinton do anything NEAR that bad?
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    Former President Bill Clinton's impeachment proceedings were based on his lying to Congress and not for the affair he was having, if any member of Congress were to be impeached for immoral conduct, then we would have a need for an election every month in some parts of the country.
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    EF, Your account of history is wrong again.

    The last president to be impeached was Bill Clinton. Nixon was never impeached, he resigned before he would have been impeached.

    Once again for the sake of the truth: Two presidents have been impeached: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. That's it, that's the list.

    Google "Clintons evolving apology" and the best story is from CNN. Many sources about his many apologies.

    Aug 17 "I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinski that was not appropriate. In fact it was wrong. I misled people, in fact, even my wife. I deeply regret that."

    Aug 28 "I'm beginning to become quite an expert in this business of asking for forgiveness."

    Sept 2 "You know I have acknowledged that I made a mistake, said that I regretted it, asked to be forgiven..."

    Sept 4 "I made a big mistake, and I am sorry."

    Bill, besides being quite the ladies man, was also a smart guy, but he REALLY lawyered up his language, so it took about 3 weeks and 4 "apologies" before he finally said the words "I am sorry".

    But, he was our last good president and I wish he could run again, and I'd probably vote for him. He could not possibly do worse than we have now.