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Pat Tillman - 10 years later

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  • TJ
    2014-04-22 02:07:11 PM
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    In all wars there will be mistakes. There will be unplanned or unexpected events. It is a tragedy any time a soldier is killed by friendly fire (obvious oxymoron). In the Pat Tillman case, it made the news because he was previously a professional football player. It makes you wonder about how many cases go unreported. If anyone is interested in watching, tonight at 8:00 pm (Eastern) on ESPN is an episode of their show, Outside the Lines with host Bob Ley. I was just watching ESPN and they played a segment of 6 - 8 minutes that explained how this unfortunate event happened and how it's effecting the soldiers who were either (A) with Tillman or (B) shooting at Tillman. It was very interesting.
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    It's on now at 7:30 pm est, also at 8:00pm est, and Showing again at 11:00 pm est. (between 4 ESPN channels)
  • AmcmurryFreedom
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    Mr. Tillman is a great example of honor that met a terrible ordeal in battle, reported as from friendly fire. Pat Tillman is a hero in my recording. America lost an excellent soldier.
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    2014-04-23 09:46:42 AM
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    TJ Wrote: In all wars there will be mistakes. There will be unplanned or unexpected events. It is a tragedy any time a soldier is killed by friendly fire (obvious oxymoron). In the Pat Tillman case, it made the news because he was previously a professional football player. It makes you wonder about how many cases go unreported. If anyone is interested in watching, tonight at 8:00 pm (Eastern) on ESPN is an episode of their show, Outside the Lines with host Bob Ley. I was just watching ESPN and they played a segment of 6 - 8 minutes that explained how this unfortunate event happened and how it's effecting the soldiers who were either (A) with Tillman or (B) shooting at Tillman. It was very interesting.
    The hypocracy about this happening is typical; if it would have been a poor Mexican, no one would have blinked. But a "football player" wow, another holy person!! Then the "friendly fire" (great word choice) we've got that every day in town, so they must be all hero's I guess. Give them a bunch of made in China medals!!
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    I watched the show late last night. It was interesting. They mainly interviewed two guys. One who was with Pat Tillman along with an Afghani helper on the US side. The other guy was in the forward vehicle who had been ambushed. Tillman and 2 others were shooting to assist their guys. With an ambush, the guys being shot at didn't know who was shooting or why. The platoon leader fired at the mountain side where Tillman was. Others fired there as well. When you don't know what you're doing, do what your leader does (was the logic given). Both the guy beside Tillman and (one of) the guys who shot at Tillman had serious issues after the fact. Heavy alcohol use, depression, failed marriages, Completely threw away their faith/religion. They both thought that God had let them down.
    One guy later returned to his faith and to the women that he divorced previously. This time he opened up and expressed his feelings about the events which helped her to understand.

    Yes Dutch, Friendly Fire is an oxymoron (two words with opposite meanings - like Jumbo shrimp, or military intelligence). Everybody spoke very well about Pat Tillman.
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    Tony I tuned in too late, saw the 30 for 30 about Maradonna was on and didn't watch. I will definitely try to catch the Tillman show in the near future, they will replay it a gazillion times.

    Yes "friendly fire" is an oxymoron I guess, and you used my two favorites jumbo shrimp, and military intelligence.

    A few more favorites: working Congress, safety hazard, science fiction, boneless ribs, civil war, affirmative action, happy marriage... There is probably a limitless supply.
  • Dutch
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    TJ Wrote: I watched the show late last night. It was interesting. They mainly interviewed two guys. One who was with Pat Tillman along with an Afghani helper on the US side. The other guy was in the forward vehicle who had been ambushed. Tillman and 2 others were shooting to assist their guys. With an ambush, the guys being shot at didn't know who was shooting or why. The platoon leader fired at the mountain side where Tillman was. Others fired there as well. When you don't know what you're doing, do what your leader does (was the logic given). Both the guy beside Tillman and (one of) the guys who shot at Tillman had serious issues after the fact. Heavy alcohol use, depression, failed marriages, Completely threw away their faith/religion. They both thought that God had let them down.
    One guy later returned to his faith and to the women that he divorced previously. This time he opened up and expressed his feelings about the events which helped her to understand.

    Yes Dutch, Friendly Fire is an oxymoron (two words with opposite meanings - like Jumbo shrimp, or military intelligence). Everybody spoke very well about Pat Tillman.
    Tony of course I knew that, but liked to use it as a dumb Dutchman; since it did fit the American silly mind.
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    Like so many young men Tillman expected to come home and be a hero. His ex-wife remarried, the stadium had a standing ovation and his teammates wore his number on their Jerseys. He joined in response to 911, He joined to fight and got his wish. He's dead.......and absolutely nothing has changed.

    If he could only take it back. Friendly fire???? a bullet has no friend as it flies
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Like so many young men Tillman expected to come home and be a hero. His ex-wife remarried, the stadium had a standing ovation and his teammates wore his number on their Jerseys. He joined in response to 911, He joined to fight and got his wish. He's dead.......and absolutely nothing has changed.

    If he could only take it back. Friendly fire???? a bullet has no friend as it flies
    Absolutely correct; that is what is wrong with the education and media here; the total overdone "hype/glorification" of the armed forces. It is sold as "paradise" on earth.
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