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Honoring our Military......It is a privilege

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  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Reading several responses on many different threads it is clear to me that some participants take pride in condemning our military. I agree there has been ridiculous uses of military around the world and there has been horrific examples of abuse on other countries. However, all the hype against the United states Military is misinformed and only contributes to anti-behavior in completing our journey to improving society. Most all socialized groups other than the Military exhibit have problems in order and promoting humane treatment of others. Decisions made by leaders are only as good as the leader and if they are wrong, the cover up begins.

    I recently read a tribute to the Military, which is to all the uncaring government and ungrateful American population. It is heart warming but at also sad that how our military is treated. These Americans gave they all and many in America turns their backs on them and spits on their remains. It reminds me of the hatred from Fred Phelps, who passed recently and had a history of protesting military funerals. Please read or view this site a letter written by Captain Steven Ellison, MD, US Army at

    http://ouruncleharry.com/Soon-To-Be-Gone.pdf

    Another site has the letter without the pictures.

    http://www.iwvpa.net/ellisonsr/indexs.php

    A little warning before hand is that Dr. Ellison's letter is moving with emotions, but it is clear that, "If it weren't for the United States Military there'd be "NO" United States of America."

    So, use caution when you belittle the military and take away what they have earned. Just think if someone approached you and took everything you earned in character, calling you names, and spitting on your name. Honoring our Military is an American tradition.......let's keep it.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    AF you're making the typical mistake of equating the military with the solders. The solders most likely are undereducated as a class and in many cases psychologically problematic in their beliefs and thinking. A huge portion of society is like this unfortunately. Not able to find a job, petty thief sand criminals because of their economic status and lack of education all lead to unworldly young people looking to "join up". I don't think anyone here is against them at all but we do have empathy and pity fir them and the fact they feel joining the military is a with while and honorable action.

    Those of us that look down on the military do it not because we dislike them but feel for them. Personally, I equate the military lifestyle with the true believers lifestyle. Not quite smart or strong enough to make it through life without a strong support base from either your religion or fellow soldiers or both. Yes, there is strength in numbers and the feeling of belonging.

    The modern military in the US, at least, has evolved from a protection of citizens liberty and rights organization to a control the world and plunder what we may from whomever is weaker than us. We do this by interfering in sovereign countries rights and trying to force our needs and values on others at their expense. The last time the US military establishment did anything worthwhile for the American citizen or the world citizen, for that mater, was in the 1940's.

    I understand and as a former military person and true believer everything I (and others) write is totally misunderstood and misconstrued by you but that doesn't mean it's wrong. You will never understand where many of us are coming from and take it as a person attack where, in reality, it's nothing of the kind!

    If I t makes you feel good to keep on praying and marching then keep it up, life is short and before you know it you'll been hone off to that better place you keep thinking about. At least you may be sure you won't run into me or LA or Dutch there!
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    As I said the glorification in this country of our military has a gone way out of bounds; only countries with dictatorships follow this same pattern.
    Sure in this world there are conflicts; for the US to be always involved gives the idea that we are indeed a "dictatorship"; we tell the world what to do.
    The power of the Pentagon and some other agencies has gone way too far related to the actual protection we need.
    For instance no "country" it self will attack us, knowing that we have an overkill of hundreds of nukes and missiles; also considering that this country consist of "immigrants" of just about every country in the world, why attack your relatives who also have guns in the house?
    The only countries who could attack us (if we keep up our arrogance in the world) are Russia and China. Neither one is interested to do so.
    Russia got's its own problems and no time for us; China, we are both very dependant on each other (all our junk comes from there as well they loan us plenty of money)
    Thus the only thing left is the touchy word "terrorists"; sorry to say we "create" those ourselves; either internally or externally. Our meddling in the world causes that. However "terrorists" are here to stay, but do we need huge army's and generals with their chests full of with ribbons for that?
    So in other words an huge army is an own created neccessity because of our attitiude around the world.

    Sorry I can not understand the hyped up mentality here about uniforms etc. I'm proud of the mailman he's got a uniform and does his job.

    However I am not proud of people who get trained like robots and accept to follow up deplorable orders from people who make the wrong decissions for this country. Looking at the Vietnam debacle; people at that time at least dared to protest in the end; nowadays they put their heads in the sand.

    Of course I honour the veterans of WWII they were the real and last hero's; since that time the US has gone downhill and invaded plenty of countries for the wrong reasons; of course the military personel itself is not to blame but certainly the mentality in this country. However the Pentagon and the war industry is to blame for "greed" and power plays, manipulation, politics and breefing our leaders the wrong way.
    That's why more than 6000 of our soldiers lost their lives in Iraq for the wrong reasons; it is kind of strange to glorify such with a lot of fake attitude.
    Of course I pity the families and feel sorry for the soldiers, but the hypocracy in this country by not protesting by going to such wars and only glorifying such makes me puke.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    I think the only benefits to the last two wars (oops never declared wars, just look like wars and cost as much as a war), was that it kept less people from being unemployed and it took thousands out of prison for "An alternative career choice". America's finest.
    I do appreciate the contribution of our military but their use is misguided.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Tony you said it correctly.

    ..."I do appreciate the contribution of our military but their use is misguided"... The key phrase is ..."their use is misguided"...

    So many people hate the military as if they decided when and where to go off to wars. They don't realize, or maybe they CHOOSE to not realize that the politicians are the ones who send the military off to wars.

    Who is to blame? The politicians, obviously.

    Many people CHOOSE not to realize that.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    America needs to appreciate the United States Armed Forces, because our country is in trouble from anarchist militias, terrorism, and many countries that have plans to for damaging our interests. Just last week, the media networks show a disgruntled selfish man (Bundy) surrounded with anarchist militias, who are most likely crazy gun-toting survivalists with anti-government mental tendencies. The media hounds, such as Hannity, fueled the fire without having any knowledge of ranching but only to charge show ratings at the expense of placing harm to society. The anarchist militias are alive and well organized units embedded inside America as sleeper agents to reign terror on every peaceful American. If your not one of them (militia) your one of their enemies, which will be shot on site. Another example of anarchy is the KKK and last week a shooting by a deranged 73 year old ex-Grand Dragon of the KKK, on a killing rampage for Jewish Americans. Well he killed people as two were Methodist and one was Catholic who all was attending an event at a Jewish Community Center. Anarchy is alive in America, which is why we need a strong and supported U.S. Military ready to act when called. On terrorism, that's a no brainer, which you all know it is alive and can strike at any time. I do also site the Bundy situation as "Domestic Terror", which he holds every American hostage because he feels he does not owe taxes/fees on public land. One reason why he could qualify as a Domestic Terrorist is the anarchist militia around him, the display of weapons, and most of all fertilizer (making bombs...OK City...remember). These farmers and ranchers do know a thing or two about how deadly a common element as fertilizer mixed with kerosene can make something very powerful as an explosive. I can see why the Government is trying to cool tensions before another Ruby Ridge, Waco or Oklahoma City event happens. We do have the authorities of law enforcement, but if needed there is a standing Military ready if required to keep America safe.

    I will not be surprised in knowing the numbers of gangs, criminal groups, anarchists and terror cells that the FBI and CIA keeps data on within our country and around the world. I assume that numbers are fairly large and formidable making a common citizen as myself feeling uneasy. However, I rest good in my surroundings knowing that America has a strong Military and hopefully a President that will use when called upon to protect the integrity and safety of Americans.

    Although I agree with the recent responses that politicians are the worst offenders of sending our Military where their action is not warranted, I do not hold anything against the Soldier, Marine, Sailor and Airman that's lays down his life to defend our America and interests abroad. All those signing up for serving our country are nothing less than "Hero's". I cringe when seeing our Armed Forces take a hit from a member going off committing a crime against humanity and peaceful citizens. I feel lost when seeing our military men and women suffer on their return to public life living with PTSD, lost limbs, damaged sight and hearing, and brain injury. I want to say "Thank You for you service", but it is so hard to even think of saying, "Thank You".

    Last summer, my wife and I visited Berlin and walked through the Holocaust Memorial, which is across the street from the US Embassy. It's massive and emotional to realize why it is there. Do not forget that tyranny can strike at any time. Outside of Berlin is the remains of Zellenbau Sachsenhausen, which is Nazi concentration camp and crematorium. Thousands died here and years of torture. They came to the camp on trains stopping at night and marching through the village as to not attract the children and local citizens. When the WWII ended, Russian and Germany initiated destruction efforts of the camp, but local Germans protested and forced out those that wanted to destroy the fact that people were killed as genocide for social cleansing. When I saw the Ukraine repots of leaflets asking the Jewish to register, this camp came to mind. Registering as Jewish was required by the Nazi regime. So, again anarchy and terror lives.

    Thank You to all rendering services to the United States Armed Forces. Your all "Hero's". There would be "NO" America today without our armed Forces.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    To better understand the meaning of Service to one's country and the reasons as to why they serve, I will post a letter from my monthly magazine from the American Legion, this letter was written by Marine Sgt. William Stacy, who was on his fourth deployment to Afghanistan and was walking patrol in Helmand province when he was killed by an IED on 1/23/2012, he left behind a " a just in case letter", to be read if that {something} happened to him. It reads.


    My death did not change the world. It may be tough to justify its meaning at all. But there is a greater meaning to it. Perhaps I did not change the world. But there will be a child who will live because men left the security they enjoyed in their own country to come to his. And this child will learn in the new schools that have been built. He will walk his streets not worried about whether or not his leaders henchmen are going to come and kidnap him. He will grow into a fine man who will pursue every opportunity his heart could desire. He will have the gift of Freedom, which I have enjoyed for so long. If my life buys the safety of a child who will changed this world, then I know that it was all worth it.

    RIP Marine Sgt.William Stacy.


  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    johnnycee Wrote: To better understand the meaning of Service to one's country and the reasons as to why they serve, I will post a letter from my monthly magazine from the American Legion, this letter was written by Marine Sgt. William Stacy, who was on his fourth deployment to Afghanistan and was walking patrol in Helmand province when he was killed by an IED on 1/23/2012, he left behind a " a just in case letter", to be read if that {something} happened to him. It reads.


    My death did not change the world. It may be tough to justify its meaning at all. But there is a greater meaning to it. Perhaps I did not change the world. But there will be a child who will live because men left the security they enjoyed in their own country to come to his. And this child will learn in the new schools that have been built. He will walk his streets not worried about whether or not his leaders henchmen are going to come and kidnap him. He will grow into a fine man who will pursue every opportunity his heart could desire. He will have the gift of Freedom, which I have enjoyed for so long. If my life buys the safety of a child who will changed this world, then I know that it was all worth it.

    RIP Marine Sgt.William Stacy.


    I do not know in what world this Sgt lived; so his kid is now save? from street gangs; people with guns; people on drugs; crooked politicians, rip-off artists; earthquakes; hurricanes, flooding, gangs, new wars for the money, home bred terrorists, as well as "drone" created outside terrorists as well a whole load of corrupt people around him. Indeed his death did not change the world and his deployment to Afghanistan did change the world for him; he could have protected his son much better by being alive than getting killed for nothing.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    This Sgt. to whom I referenced, was speaking his mind and his thoughts, please don't try to demean them with your brand of anger and negativity, he willingly placed himself in harms way and paid the ultimate price for doing so, again he believed that he was doing the right thing so direct your anger at me for posting his letter and causing you to be distressed.
  • Liberal
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    Brainwashing! It's a wonderful way to get people to act against their own best interests and act as the pawns of those who would only use them. We see it over and over again in all walks of life from religion, the military and politics!

    Dutch, you are 100% correct!
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I don't understand why you would think someone is brainwashed if they believe differently then you, whether it's the Military, or a form of religion and even politics, perhaps you might be brainwashed into believing everything you oppose has been drilled into you as being right and all other thoughts or opinions on any matter of discussions are wrong.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    JC, That was a great read. I can follow-up with exactly that heartfelt letter expresses. Several retired MSGT's of the Ranger Corp have businesses and one I go to Church with each Sunday is a Vietnam Veteran, like I am. We talk about the horror of that war, but one thing stands out today, many of them go back to Vietnam/Indonesia and offer assistance. My Church with my friend's business in Wall Ties, built a library in a place that major battle took place. Both sides lost lives, but today a library sits on that battleground and is named for a US Serviceman (MSGT George Wright). It was built in cooperation with the Vietnamese and is stocked with books donated over the years. Many in our community collect books for all ages and have them shipped over to the library in Vietnam. So, in support of your story, it does work for many servicemen. I know that many service men fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq are doing likewise. There's more to serving your country than fighting wars, it is a responsibility to preserve humanity. In response to all those who criticize volunteers that serve the Armed Forces, you don't know what you talking about and only complain like crying children left out of the school yard game or left out of the backyard sandbox. Our military servicemen and women are all Hero's, so if your not willing to Thank a person of the Armed Forces than just be quiet, so we don't know how ill you sound.

    In closing, that library serves mostly children getting the greatest benefit. There are many adults that make use of the library, as the donated books are a variety of subjects in fiction, nonfiction, science, health, business, and of course many, many children books. JC, it does work.
  • Center Left
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    JC,
    Absolutely No disrespect for anyone who gave their life for a purpose. Maybe they thought they were making the world a better place. But there are not any good wars out there. None at all. Bringing America there at a cost of trillions of dollars..... which we sure as hell can't afford for some crazy ass politicians once questionable idea is the reason we are in too many places on this planet. Too many US Politicians thinks we should be out there saving the world when in fact the world is going to hell inside of our own borders. We'd be better off if our military was patrolling the streets of our ghettos and on our borders stopping illegals from crossing because we can't take more unless they are applying for legal entry with the intent of being law abiding and self sufficient. Not in Afghanistan, Iraq, Germany, Italy, The UK, South Korea, Japan, Guam, or anywhere else that we are trying to better the world. That's not our job, to improve the world. Like we have better ideas, or the solutions to the worlds problems.... We don't.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Back in my young and dumb days , I was sent to a country that I couldn't even pronounce the name of at first, let alone recognize it on a map. This was brought about because some small gun ships? fired on a U.S. Navy destroyer, of all things, which was on Patrol in the Gulf of Tonkin, this was later to be proven not altogether true, however we went and did what we thought was the right thing to do, that thought was quickly forgotten after the first fire fight, now all we wanted to do was finish out our tour and get the hell out of there. Politics never entered my mind, back then I believed our President Johnson would never lie to his own military and people, then as is now , our leaders continue to lie to support their parties ambitions and Agenda. But the ground pounders are always the last to learn of the deception spread by our various leaders , I have two friends on the local wall here in Philly, one I went to school with and one I served with, I will never forget them or their sacrifice, nor will I forget the lies that placed so many of us in harms way for political reasons.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    johnnycee Wrote: This Sgt. to whom I referenced, was speaking his mind and his thoughts, please don't try to demean them with your brand of anger and negativity, he willingly placed himself in harms way and paid the ultimate price for doing so, again he believed that he was doing the right thing so direct your anger at me for posting his letter and causing you to be distressed.
    Again you refuse to think!!
    Question again: would not have that kid a better upbringing if he still would have had a Dad? His dad thought it was better to go to Afghanistan than to take care of the kid; he did so out of his own choice. So you can write a nice letter, but this does not help the kid, nor this country; get the picture!!!