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  • Strongly Liberal
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    Remember those words from the great song, Age of Aquarius, from the great musical Hair?

    Well, as it turns out, the planetary alignments the song speaks of are about to happen.

    What Jesus predicted would happen at the end of the age he ushered in have been taking place for a long time and are still taking place, and between April 15 and April 29 the moon will be in the seventh house, and Jupiter will align with Mars.

    It doesn't mean that the age of Aquarius has begun yet, however. As Jesus predicted, "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars...” (Luke 21:25) And those will just be more signs, along with many other signs that he predicted, that the son of man will soon be recognized.

    However, I mention that mainly because there are some Christians who misinterpret the Christian Bible and erroneously believe that it condemns Astrology.

    It doesn't.

    Misguided fundamentalist Christian sects or denominations have traditionally condemned Astrology, and they have reached pretty far to find biblical justification for such condemnation. That becomes evident when you see what they consider as biblical “proof” that astrology is to be condemned.

    For example, they claim the following is such proof: “There shall not be found among you any one that uses divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard.” (Deuteronomy 18:10-11) And they also claim that astrology is condemned by Isaiah’s words stating that we should be “saved from the charmers of the heavens, those looking on the stars, and those teaching concerning the months.” (Isaiah 47:13)

    The truth, however, as stated in an article on The End of an Age, is that "The author of Deuteronomy was not really referring to Astrologers, and Isaiah was not condemning Astrologers in general. They only spoke against those who misused Astrology and wrongly advising the king. That becomes clear when you put what Isaiah wrote in context, and especially when you consider that the prophet Daniel was actually an Astrologer. (See Daniel: Master Astrologer.)"

    "Even though there are warnings in the Bible against the improper use of Astrology, and against charlatans, Astrology was utilized from before the time of Moses. And in fact, the very first chapter of the first book in the Bible speaks of Astrology, saying, 'Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.' (Genesis 1:14)

    "Even Jesus said, 'And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars...' (Luke 21:25) In fact, the Bible is full of astrological and other esoteric symbolism. Other instances of that are the four cherubic emblems, the bull, lion, eagle and man which are mentioned in the Bible in the books of Ezekiel and Revelation, which are often-used esoteric symbols, and they are Astrological symbols."

    Even John's book of Revelation uses Astrological references. In Chapter 22, the last chapter in the book of Revelation, it mentions: “ ... the river of life, clear as crystal. On both sides of the river is the Tree of Life, which bears twelve manner of fruits and yields Her fruit for each and every month, and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.” And the "twelve manner of fruits" are the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

    However, all this speaks of SPIRITUAL Astrology that has been in existence since ancient times. It has little of nothing to do with pop Astrology, or the "What's your sign" fad of the 1960s. It has nothing to do with fortune telling, or divination. It's all about self-realization, and spiritual rebirth through understanding your personal reality and your relationship with the Divine.
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    Guy Dwyer Wrote: Remember those words from the great song, Age of Aquarius, from the great musical Hair?

    Well, as it turns out, the planetary alignments the song speaks of are about to happen.

    What Jesus predicted would happen at the end of the age he ushered in have been taking place for a long time and are still taking place, and between April 15 and April 29 the moon will be in the seventh house, and Jupiter will align with Mars.

    It doesn't mean that the age of Aquarius has begun yet, however. As Jesus predicted, "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars...” (Luke 21:25) And those will just be more signs, along with many other signs that he predicted, that the son of man will soon be recognized.

    However, I mention that mainly because there are some Christians who misinterpret the Christian Bible and erroneously believe that it condemns Astrology.

    It doesn't.

    Misguided fundamentalist Christian sects or denominations have traditionally condemned Astrology, and they have reached pretty far to find biblical justification for such condemnation. That becomes evident when you see what they consider as biblical “proof” that astrology is to be condemned.

    For example, they claim the following is such proof: “There shall not be found among you any one that uses divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard.” (Deuteronomy 18:10-11) And they also claim that astrology is condemned by Isaiah’s words stating that we should be “saved from the charmers of the heavens, those looking on the stars, and those teaching concerning the months.” (Isaiah 47:13)

    The truth, however, as stated in an article on The End of an Age, is that "The author of Deuteronomy was not really referring to Astrologers, and Isaiah was not condemning Astrologers in general. They only spoke against those who misused Astrology and wrongly advising the king. That becomes clear when you put what Isaiah wrote in context, and especially when you consider that the prophet Daniel was actually an Astrologer. (See Daniel: Master Astrologer.)"

    "Even though there are warnings in the Bible against the improper use of Astrology, and against charlatans, Astrology was utilized from before the time of Moses. And in fact, the very first chapter of the first book in the Bible speaks of Astrology, saying, 'Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.' (Genesis 1:14)

    "Even Jesus said, 'And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars...' (Luke 21:25) In fact, the Bible is full of astrological and other esoteric symbolism. Other instances of that are the four cherubic emblems, the bull, lion, eagle and man which are mentioned in the Bible in the books of Ezekiel and Revelation, which are often-used esoteric symbols, and they are Astrological symbols."

    Even John's book of Revelation uses Astrological references. In Chapter 22, the last chapter in the book of Revelation, it mentions: “ ... the river of life, clear as crystal. On both sides of the river is the Tree of Life, which bears twelve manner of fruits and yields Her fruit for each and every month, and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.” And the "twelve manner of fruits" are the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

    However, all this speaks of SPIRITUAL Astrology that has been in existence since ancient times. It has little of nothing to do with pop Astrology, or the "What's your sign" fad of the 1960s. It has nothing to do with fortune telling, or divination. It's all about self-realization, and spiritual rebirth through understanding your personal reality and your relationship with the Divine.
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    The documentary "ZEITGEIST" explains how the constellations were responsible for the Jesus Myth in correlation to the winter solstice. Very compelling argument in that the two myths parallel one another. In fact, they match up......You jesus followers may want to see it. jesus never predicted the age of Aquarius.....son worshippers did. When bible thumpers claim the end of times,,,,it was a mis-translation....it was an end of an era. Leaving the era of Taurus and entering into the age of Aquarius.....watch the documentary. The fisherman of the bible and infact the fish that symbolizes Jesus was simply that they were in the age of Pisces.
  • Liberal
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    Thee resurrection story parallels sun worship in that for three days night over takes day just prior to spring ... and on the third day the sun rises and light (day) overtakes night welcoming spring. the 12 twelve constellations representing the twelve apostles. The Virgin (virgo) The 3 kings merely the 3 stars in Orions belt.....references to the bull in the bible (age of Taurus)........see the documentary...the fisherman (age of pisces) there are many references to star worship in the bible.
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    Got some bad news for you. Jupiter and Mars aren't even close to aligned. They are in completely different sections of the solar system. If you drew a line from one of the planets to the sun and then to the other planet, it would make about a 100 degree angle. In the near future, the closest that Mars and Jupiter will be aligned with Earth is 2029 and even then, its not even close to a perfect alignment.

    As for the Zeitgeist movie that LA is referring too. That is almost entirely BS that was very cleverly put together. When I first watched it, I was convinced, but even the most superficial research on most of the stuff shows it to be full of gross, negligent errors.
  • Center Left
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    If you want to play around with the solar system, you can do it here.

    You can check out the position of the planets at any time in the past or future. There is a mode where you can see the constellations as they would be seen from Earth. And, when you compare one year to the following year, you can see why Astrology is a bunch of superstitious nonsense.
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    They come really close in the middle of March on 2123. But still quite a bit off from a perfect alignment. That is probably as far as I'm going to look into it for now, but you're free to look as far into the future as you like.

    Edit: I have no freaking clue what the "7th House" is and when and where the moon will be in it so I was unable to check if that was the case.
    Second Edit: I checked to see if it was the 7th sign of the Zodiac, but the moon is currently in Virgo, the 6th sign, which is hte sign of September, which is the ninth month.
  • Strongly Liberal
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    Zach F Wrote: Got some bad news for you. Jupiter and Mars aren't even close to aligned. They are in completely different sections of the solar system. If you drew a line from one of the planets to the sun and then to the other planet, it would make about a 100 degree angle. In the near future, the closest that Mars and Jupiter will be aligned with Earth is 2029 and even then, its not even close to a perfect alignment.
    I'm not an Astrologer. I got the info from two articles by an Astrologer at OpEdNews.com, here and here, and they say that the Moon will be in Libra from 3:34 a.m. CDT April 13 through 11:21 a.m. CDT April 15. Libra is the sign associated with the seventh house, so during this period the Moon will occupy the symbolic seventh house. And Jupiter will line up with Mars in an exact square on Tuesday, April 22, at 2:27 p.m. CDT (7:27 p.m. Greenwich time). In the square Jupiter occupies Cancer, while Mars occupies Libra, the same sign in which the Moon will be eclipsed on April 15.

    I don't know much about that stuff, so I look to those who do.
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: The documentary "ZEITGEIST" explains how the constellations were responsible for the Jesus Myth in correlation to the winter solstice. Very compelling argument in that the two myths parallel one another. In fact, they match up......You jesus followers may want to see it. jesus never predicted the age of Aquarius.....son worshippers did. When bible thumpers claim the end of times,,,,it was a mis-translation....it was an end of an era. Leaving the era of Taurus and entering into the age of Aquarius.....watch the documentary. The fisherman of the bible and infact the fish that symbolizes Jesus was simply that they were in the age of Pisces.

    Thee resurrection story parallels sun worship in that for three days night over takes day just prior to spring ... and on the third day the sun rises and light (day) overtakes night welcoming spring. the 12 twelve constellations representing the twelve apostles. The Virgin (virgo) The 3 kings merely the 3 stars in Orions belt.....references to the bull in the bible (age of Taurus)........see the documentary...the fisherman (age of pisces) there are many references to star worship in the bible.
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    I believe it's true that the myth about Jesus being born on December 25 is definitely related to the fact that the Winter Solstice is on December 21.

    I'm not a "Jesus follower," nor a Christian. I'm a Deist who recognizes the core universal teachings of Jesus, which are similar to other great spiritual teachers.

    It is not known whether Jesus predicted the "Age of Aquarius" literally. What is known is that he spoke of the end of the age (or aeon) that he ushered in, which happens to be the Age of Pisces, which is soon coming to an end, and will give way to the new age, which happens to be Aquarius.

    The "end times" myth is indeed a myth. I've said that many times in my posts, and some of the articles I cite also make that clear.

    The fish is a Christian symbol not merely because Jesus ushered in the age of Pisces, symbolized by the two fish. Nun is the 13th letter of the Hebrew alphabet, and it means fish, which is a product or life born of the ocean. Jesus is a derivative of the name Joshua and Jehoshuah, sons of Nun, who was the minister to Moses. And that is not merely Judeo-Christian symbolism. Nun means fish in Aramaic, Phoenician and Arabic. In many mythologies, Nun is the ethereal waters or ocean from which all life has come. That's why the fish is a Christian symbol.

    As I've pointed out, spiritual Astrology is ancient, from before the time of Moses. But they did not "worship" the stars. They figured out their relationship with them, and to the astrological "weather" on earth.
  • Strongly Liberal
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    I started this thread merely to point out something interesting. But the most important thing about it is not about Astrology. It's about the end of the age and the coming beginning of a new age.

    That was predicted by all the religions of the world, some of which did not tie it to the stars or signs of heaven. The point is a change is coming, and all the nit-picking in the world is not going to stop it.

    The Founders of America understood it, which is why they tried to establish the "New Order of the Ages" (not the "New World Order"). They understood that some day government will be of the people, by the people, and for the people, and not of, by and for the wealthiest few who think they are entitled to rule.

    They understood that government must promote the general welfare, use the common wealth for the common good, and ensure domestic tranquility by ensuring liberty and justice for all the people.

    They also knew it wouldn't work for a while, which is why they emphasized that the people have the right and the duty to alter and reform their government when need be, utilizing Article 5 of the Constitution.

    That's what this is all about, because when Americans get their act together, America will become a truly good example to the world, rather than the military policeman of the world.
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    The moon passes through Libra every single month. It passes through all the constellations every month. In May it will be back in Libra around the 14th.

    Then I get even more confused. Aligned in a square? That doesn't make sense for multiple reasons. For starters, you can't make a square with just 2 points, If you draw a line between Mars and Jupiter, its a line. You need more points. So lets add the Sun. Now you have 3 points, a triangle. This Apirl, at some point, that would become a right triangle as the angle would be 90 degrees at the Sun. but that isn't rare. It will happen again in April next year, and then again in Aug of 2016. Then again in July of 2017. And so on.

    So let's add the Earth as the 4th point to try and get this square. Still nothing. It is a mathematical impossible for a square to be derived using these planetary points at any point in their orbits. If you replace any of those four objects with the moon or any other celestial object, you still can't derive a square. You wouldn't even be able to get a rectangle.

    I understand when you say that you don't understand so you turn to people who do, but the thing is, they don't understand either. They are either making all of this stuff up for entertainment value, or lying through their teeth to try and make a buck.

    The idea of ages, as far as Astrology goes, is due to a thing called precession. The Earth wobbles on its axis which cause the sun to rise and set in different constellations. It makes a full wobble every 26,000 years or so. When Astrology was first thought up, roughly 4,000 years ago. The Sun rose in the constellation of Ares on the vernal equinox. It currently rise in Pices on the vernal equinox. This has what Astrologers have used to define the Astrological ages. Sadly, Pisces is one of the larger constellations of the Zodiac, so this age isn't ending any time soon. The sun will not start rising in the constellation Aquarius until 2600AD. But Astrologers know that nobody wants to hear that so they make stuff up and just trust that no one will use their brains and look it up. The people that are thorough enough to do any research tend to dismiss and ignore astrology all together because it has been completely debunked.
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    Guy Dwyer Wrote:
    Zach F Wrote: Got some bad news for you. Jupiter and Mars aren't even close to aligned. They are in completely different sections of the solar system. If you drew a line from one of the planets to the sun and then to the other planet, it would make about a 100 degree angle. In the near future, the closest that Mars and Jupiter will be aligned with Earth is 2029 and even then, its not even close to a perfect alignment.
    I'm not an Astrologer. I got the info from two articles by an Astrologer at OpEdNews.com, here and here, and they say that the Moon will be in Libra from 3:34 a.m. CDT April 13 through 11:21 a.m. CDT April 15. Libra is the sign associated with the seventh house, so during this period the Moon will occupy the symbolic seventh house. And Jupiter will line up with Mars in an exact square on Tuesday, April 22, at 2:27 p.m. CDT (7:27 p.m. Greenwich time). In the square Jupiter occupies Cancer, while Mars occupies Libra, the same sign in which the Moon will be eclipsed on April 15.

    I don't know much about that stuff, so I look to those who do.
    Also, at that exact time that you quoted, April 22, at 2:27.

    Jupiter will be in Gemini (not Cancer)
    The Moon will be in Capricorn/Aquarius (Not Libra, and the Moon was Eclipsed in Virgo on Apirl 15, not Libra)
    And Mars will be in Virgo (Not Libra)

    So the guy who wrote this, did not get a single thing correct. He made ALL of it up.
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    The funniest part of this is that the guy who wrote about all this that Dwyer is referencing, could have taken two minutes out of his day to look up where the planets were ACTUALLY going to be, then could written the same bullshit story, only this time used where the planets were in reality instead where they were in his imagination. But instead, he was lazy and decided to wing it.
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    Zack,

    If you had read the first article I cited, The End of An Age, you would have read the following excerpt:

    "There are a number of knowledgeable sources who base their projection on astrological traditions rooted in Mid-Eastern and Judeo-Christian astrology, such as that studied long ago by the Jewish prophet Daniel, and by the Zoroastrian Magi. According to that astrological system, the length of an age (or aeon) is 2,166 years, since there are twelve world ages in a great world cycle of 26,000 years.

    So, if that is the case, even though many events have taken place and are taking place that were predicted to happen at the end of the age Jesus ushered in, we may not actually entered the new age for a while even though we have entered a new century and new millennium according to the Christian calendar.

    People differ in their beliefs about the dates, however, and perhaps only God knows. Man's religions and devices are merely attempts at understanding the way God operates, and Man's mind is puny compared to the 'mind' of God. But it is likely that the passing age began when Jesus of Nazareth was born, and we know that the Magi, the followers of Zoroaster, knew Jesus had been born because they were astrologers who 'saw it in the stars.'

    However, again, there is a 'cusp' period between the ages and for a long time we have been experiencing the effects of the end of an age, as well as the effects of the 'dawning' of the new age. And its effects are gradually becoming closer to being equal to the effects of the passing age."


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    I agree with that, and the site that contains that article is the site I promote. I merely shared the info about the Age of Aquarius article that I saw on OpEdNews because I thought it was interesting. I would not have suspect that it would draw the kind of responses that you have posted.

    Now, as for the author of the OpEdNews.com article, Age of Aquarius Arrives (Finally!), who you accuse of writing "bullshit," her name is Anne Nordhaus-Bike, and here is the bio for her on OpEdNews:

    "Anne Nordhaus-Bike is president of ANB Communications. The author of the award-winning Living in Harmony astrology column for the Gazette newspaper in Chicago, she has won several journalism awards and in 1997 was added to the 'Wall of Fame' of the National Women's Hall of Fame in Seneca Falls, NY.

    In 2011, Anne's astrology and art book, Follow the Sun: A Simple Way to Use Astrology for Living in Harmony, was published.

    She founded ANB Communications in 1993 as a business communications consulting firm. During these years, she also helped establish the Gazette, a Chicago community newspaper, where she launched Living in Harmony, a monthly astrology column that ran for two years. She remains involved with the paper as assistant editor, member of the board of directors, and contributing writer.

    Since 2002, Anne has dedicated most of her efforts to writing, astrology, art, and performance. She frequently combines her talents to create multimedia works. In recent years, Anne has focused on themes inspired by nature and by spiritual and mystical subjects.

    Today, ANB Communications offers writing, astrology, art, and music videos and short films inspired by nature and by spiritual and mystical subjects. These products are designed to help clients live in harmony physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually.
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    You, Zach, evidently think you are an expert on Astrology and call Anne a liar. Well, you are free to say anything you want, I suppose. But I don't appreciate your comments. They are not constructive, and not conducive to a good discussion.
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    Guy Dwyer Wrote:
    You, Zach, evidently think you are an expert on Astrology and call Anne a liar. Well, you are free to say anything you want, I suppose. But I don't appreciate your comments. They are not constructive, and not conducive to a good discussion.
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    I don't think I'm an expert in astrology at all. Which is why I ask so many questions about it. I called her a liar because she blatantly lied about where all the planets were.

    Also, these comments are exactly what is needed to foster a good discussion. I expect all my ideas thoughts to undergo the exact some level of scrutiny. People can't just shout out anything they want and then expect those ideas to be taken seriously. Ideas needs to examined or else it would be completely impossible to tell the difference from a good idea and a bad idea. Astrology is clearly a bad idea. Like your last post says, there are many different versions and there is really no set rules. So, if the rules are completely subjective from person to person, how can astrology have any actually influence on an objective world.

    Think of it like this. Let's say I started a post where I said unicorns exist. Then I referenced an article of an unicorn expert. The article explains where they live and what they eat and had other details. There is only one response that is actually conducive to a good discussion. That is the counter-point. If everyone agrees with you, then there is no discussion. No actually information is being exchanged. I would expect anyone and everyone to fact check me and my source. If the source blatantly and obviously fabricated his statements, then yes, the source would be a liar in that specific instance and their credibility as a source would take a HUGE hit.

    Criticizing and examining ideas is exactly what defines a good discussion. And, most importantly, its the only way to filter out bad ideas so our time can be used more efficiently
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    Zach,

    I understand your point, and I understand that there are Astrologers who take different views. Astrologist Neil Spencer has denounced the lyrics in the song Age of Aquarius as "astrological gibberish", noting that Jupiter aligns with Mars several times a year and the moon is in the 7th House for two hours every day. And the song lyrics are considered by many to be merely poetic license.

    That said, Anne Nordhaus-Bike, the Astrologer whose article I have cited, was on to something. And a better explanation of the alignment of the planets and signs is in an article in OpEdNews by Cathy Lynn Pagano, titled, April 2014's Cosmic Grand Cross and America's Challenge. And Cathy is not only a spiritual Astrologer. She is a Jungian Psychologist who is very into archetypal symbols.

    My point, however, is that the symbolism of spiritual Astrology is seen in many biblical prophecies, and we are at the end of the passing age or aeon that Jesus of Nazareth spoke of. That means it won't be long before true judgment trumps the doctrines, beliefs and myths that divide humanity and produce conflict and war.

    It also means that it won't be long before the humble, gentle, kind, generous, peaceful and meek majority will inherit the earth, establish good government, and transform "swords into plowshares" so that we may operate in productive, unifying, cooperative and collaborative ways.