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What Do the Koch Brothers Want?

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  • Schmidt
    2014-04-12 12:18:40 PM
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    Bernie Sanders: What Do the Koch Brothers Want?

    In 1980, David Koch ran as the Libertarian Party’s vice-presidential candidate. The 1980 Libertarian Party platform that he ran under at the time was extremely radical. Bernie Sanders, US Senator from Vermont, has published excerpts from that platform that David Koch ran on. In browsing this list, does anyone have any thoughts about what the Koch brothers are buying when they are spending billions on candidates across America? Take a look at the list...sure it's 1980. However, has anything in their minds really changed since then?

    “We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”

    “We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”

    “We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”

    “We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”

    “We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”

    “We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”
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    We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”

    “We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”

    “As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”

    “We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”

    “We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”

    “We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”

    “We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”

    “We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”

    “We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”

    “We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”

    “We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”

    “We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”

    “We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”

    “We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”

    “We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”

    “We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”

    “We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”

    “We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”

    “We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”

    “We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”
  • pr
    2014-04-12 12:37:04 PM
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    If they weren't so sick and dangerous they would be funny!
  • TJ
    2014-04-12 12:52:09 PM
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    Good post.
    Obviously they want things that would make them even more wealthy. Cutting govt. programs that benefit real (working poor) people. With the supposition that some way, these problems will go away. And if they don't go away..... as long as they only effect the poor, then it just doesn't matter. Being wealthy doesn't make you bad. But being bad doesn't improve with money. The widening gap between the very rich and the very poor will someday become the cause of a serious clash. Obviously those with much money will not let vulnerabilities be shown.
  • eternal flame
    2014-04-13 01:25:04 PM
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    If you study all their platform (the Koch Brothers) it is much like the Communist Party. They put ALL the power into the hands
    of the very wealthy, and NONE of it into the hands of the middle class. The Kochs were raised on John Birch Society ideology,
    since their father (Fred C. Koch) was on the national council of the John Birch Society (1958).

    Fred Koch was apparently taught petroleum & OIL production when he lived in USSR (Communist Russia) with Joseph Stalin --
    the dictator. After the elder Koch came back to the USA, he got immensely wealthy from OIL & immediately got busy in the
    Birch Society. (On their national council). It is very important to know that the JBS does not believe in Democracy. And
    the Koch Brothers are now doing their best to destroy it.

    For all intents & purposes, the JBS (aka the Tea Party) have subverted and taken over the Republican Party (GOP).
    The Koch Brothers (whose father lived in the USSR) have adopted Communist ideas, & are using their immense wealth
    to impose a virtual dictatorship on the USA. The first step is to demolish the middle class. And then to advance the most
    wealthy status people into the highest levels of governmental power. (If qualified, or not).

    The Koch "dream" is basically the echoes of Hitler & Stalin & all the Tyrants of the past. It is all about CONTROL of
    the Pentagon, the IRS, the railroads, the EPA, & the Treasury - UNTIL our Govt is basically OWNED by the GOP ---
    -- BIG OIL and the WAR MACHINE. With the power of money, buying the power of our govt, (which makes all our
    laws & controls all our agencies) WE NO LONGER have any authentic power, or VOICE in our own govt.

    If this continues --- our DEMOCRACY IS ALREADY DEAD. --- Fly the stars & stripes (our flag) upside down & at
    HALF MAST -- (a distress signal & sign of respect) -- for our "dead" Democracy.
  • Charles
    2014-04-13 05:25:12 PM
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  • Charles
    2014-04-13 05:25:13 PM
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    Bernie, you forgot what they want the most!!
    They WANT ALL THE MONEY GOLD OIL AND LAND !
  • L.A. Citizen
    2014-04-13 05:37:10 PM
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    Charles Wrote: Bernie, you forgot what they want the most!!
    They WANT ALL THE MONEY GOLD OIL AND LAND !
    Actually,,,,,they want to live forever. Money isn't enough. They seek to shape the world in there image,
  • vincentlibertarian
    2014-04-16 08:21:57 AM
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    This is an over reaction to an independent movement that has many elements that Democrats should embrace. First and foremost a non-interventionist foreign policy and reduction of the military industrial complex. Yes Libertarians would like fewer laws and regulatory departments, but what has the USDA done for liberal progressives to make their coddling of rich farm interests in Republican moral values stronghold so sacrosanct?
  • pr
    2014-04-16 08:49:52 AM
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    Tesk, tesk, someone forgot to close the gate again and one of them Libert-arian types slipped in. You know the kind I mean "I want you to do everything for me but I don't want to anything for you". "No gumbmint is better gubmint". "All poor folks are poor because they are dumb and lazy".

    Thank you so much for your comforting words of wisdom vincentlibertarian. We shall all sleep better tonight thanks to your loving and caring attitude towards all.
  • Schmidt
    2014-04-16 10:06:03 AM
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    vincentlibertarian Wrote: This is an over reaction to an independent movement that has many elements that Democrats should embrace. First and foremost a non-interventionist foreign policy and reduction of the military industrial complex. Yes Libertarians would like fewer laws and regulatory departments, but what has the USDA done for liberal progressives to make their coddling of rich farm interests in Republican moral values stronghold so sacrosanct?
    It is true that liberal/progressives share some of the same values as Libertarians on issues such as LGBT rights, abortion, and national defense. Because of those stances many young people endorsed Ron Paul in 2012. However, we disagree on other fundamental issues. The Libertarian Platform of today has mellowed a little from that of the 1980s, but some Libertarian ideas are non-starters for liberals such as no government intervention in protecting the environment, abolishing taxes and the IRS, a balanced budget amendment (crazy idea), unregulated free market banking, opposition to collective bargaining and unions, free market and privatization of education, going back to the free market in health care, privatization of Social Security, and discontinuation of programs to help the poor relying instead on charitable giving of private individuals and groups.

    Libertarian Party 2012 Platform, Adopted in Convention, May 2012, Las Vegas, NV

    One can cherry pick a few items out of the platform that some liberals will like. But it's all the other stuff that would wreck any semblance of a democracy and would essentially lead to a few rich oligarchs dictating to an enslaved population. This is the Koch brothers dream. The platform may have been modified to be more appealing from that in the 1980s, but the Koch brothers have not changed. They are obsessed with power and wealth.
  • eternal flame
    2014-04-18 09:05:14 PM
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    This thread asks "Who Are the Koch Brothers, & What do they want?"

    Here is a quick "video" from a member of the John Birch Society (her father was on the National Council of JBS)
    & beside him on the Nat'l Council of JBS ---- was FRED C. KOCH --- the FATHER of the KOCH BROTHERS. Her dad
    was close friends of Fred Koch and Robt Welch (founder of the Birch Society) & they had Birch meetings at their
    house 5 or 6 nights per week. (Chicago, IL --- 1958).

    Video by Claire Conner:

    TOPIC: "The Koch Brothers": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT2C1oM_Nqk
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