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Family Values Congressmen Caught Cheating on Wife


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    johnnycee Wrote: or does the power of the office cause the corruption?
    You do realize that he was in office for less than one month at the time of this taping, right? According to the official Congressional calendar, he worked for 12 days before the taping occurred and that's if he actually showed up every day. That's an awfully short time to become corrupted when your entire platform is convincing your constituents that your Christian and family values are above all else. He's the lowest ranking member of Congress. Do you honestly think that he has that much power in the first place? Come on.

    Not just that, but did you just say that Republicans don't run on a religious and mainly Christian based platform? What universe are you living in?!

    With regards to everything else--you can believe something with all of your might, but it doesn't make it correct. You keep trying to change the subject, bring in a couple of dead Presidents, and do everything you can to make it not about this philandering asshole.
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    So therefore you must believe the other half of my question and that is that a permissive society allows our leaders to act in this manner also I never said that republicans don't run on a religious platform only ,you did, I only mentioned that bad conduct knows no party constraints, I also brought up the 2 dead Presidents plus 1 living to illustrate that point, I have not attempted to change this thread at all, merely answering some questions and submitting some opposing opinions.
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    I'm sorry. I just can't let you get away with this. No one has ever said that politicians of both stripes don't cheat on their significant other and I'm sure just about everyone agrees that "bad conduct knows no party constraints." Where we differ is recognizing the hypocrisy of one party's entire platform being built on telling other people how to live their lives and that they have to follow a certain religious dogma, but constantly finding themselves in these types of sexual scandals. The Democratic platform is not built on religious virtue. It is built on the separation of Church and State.

    You have tried to change the subject multiple times to cloud things and make them much more complicated than they need to be. That is the literal definition of red herring. You can't just condemn the guy, you have to say that it's not his fault because power corrupts. You can't stay on topic and have to constantly bring other topics up so you never feel that you're wrong. Sometimes you are wrong and this happens to be one of those times.

    This topic has been expanded from discussing a cheating congressman to the idea of power corrupting all politicians and bringing in dead Presidents, Mormonism, and a plethora of other topics in order to make your point. This is and never was the point of this thread, but you were able to turn a very specific topic into something that encompasses all politicians. That is why, as much as you don't want it to be so, you are guilty of putting forward a red herring fallacy to cloud the entire subject at hand.
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    So you want me to condemn the guy? ,is that all, okay I condemn him, but to what? it still does not answer the question of whether or not it's society breakdown of morals or does the office and all it's trappings invite this type of conduct, or I am trying to get away with something? BTW, I didn't expand anything, I merely answered some questions and submitted opinions that were in opposition to yours.
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    johnnycee Wrote: So you want me to condemn the guy? ,is that all, okay I condemn him, but to what? it still does not answer the question of whether or not it's society breakdown of morals or does the office and all it's trappings invite this type of conduct, or I am trying to get away with something? BTW, I didn't expand anything, I merely answered some questions and submitted opinions that were in opposition to yours.
    The point isn't that he is unfaithful to his wife. I really don't care about it. His personal life and public life are two different things. The point is the hypocrisy. He chose to bring his private life into the public. He chose to run on his personal life, so that makes it open season. Had he just ran on policies that are actually relevant to the rest of the country then I wouldn't care at all about what he does in his personal.
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    Zach F Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: So you want me to condemn the guy? ,is that all, okay I condemn him, but to what? it still does not answer the question of whether or not it's society breakdown of morals or does the office and all it's trappings invite this type of conduct, or I am trying to get away with something? BTW, I didn't expand anything, I merely answered some questions and submitted opinions that were in opposition to yours.
    The point isn't that he is unfaithful to his wife. I really don't care about it. His personal life and public life are two different things. The point is the hypocrisy. He chose to bring his private life into the public. He chose to run on his personal life, so that makes it open season. Had he just ran on policies that are actually relevant to the rest of the country then I wouldn't care at all about what he does in his personal.
    Zach, you are absolutely right; also a lot of politicians here in FL run or their "pro-life" and "honesty" ticket because they attend church; thus absolutely correct what you said.