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  • Other Party
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC__wbD83EI

    This is appalling! There are youth groups that teach children about weapons? Why? This is a crime against humanity!
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    Please elaborate. Why should children not know how to handle weapons safely? How is this even close to a crime against humanity? I see nothing wrong with this
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    Yea--I'm with ya Zach. I don't see much wrong with this at all.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: Yea--I'm with ya Zach. I don't see much wrong with this at all.
    If there were proper civil gun ownership laws then you do not have to teach kids how to use it. Like in Europe.
    Here people leave fully loaded guns with the safety off on the kitchen table; kaboom gone kid!!!
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Just as one would teach their children on the rules of the road or have some teacher teach them, so we need to teach gun safety to everyone especially children if there is a weapon in the home or not, you never know when the child might visiting somewhere and safety is not a priority in that household. The NRA has such a program and they will visit any school or community center to teach gun safety. I wish more people would take advantage of it.
  • Independent
    Mobile, AL
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    Teaching children gun safety makes sense. We require driver's licenses to operate a vehicle and young drivers get a discount on insurance when they have completed driver's education programs. I would like to see part of gun owership include requiring a license (with background checks) and liability insurance requirements. We can't control guns...they are out there already, so why not require a license (with insurance) to purchase ammo? I'm a licensed gun owner and I would not object to a requirement like this.
  • Center Left
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    Charlotte, NC
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    Polwatch Wrote: Teaching children gun safety makes sense. We require driver's licenses to operate a vehicle and young drivers get a discount on insurance when they have completed driver's education programs. I would like to see part of gun owership include requiring a license (with background checks) and liability insurance requirements. We can't control guns...they are out there already, so why not require a license (with insurance) to purchase ammo? I'm a licensed gun owner and I would not object to a requirement like this.
    Liability insurance for what exactly?
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    Polwatch Wrote: Teaching children gun safety makes sense. We require driver's licenses to operate a vehicle and young drivers get a discount on insurance when they have completed driver's education programs. I would like to see part of gun owership include requiring a license (with background checks) and liability insurance requirements. We can't control guns...they are out there already, so why not require a license (with insurance) to purchase ammo? I'm a licensed gun owner and I would not object to a requirement like this.
    Liability insurance for what exactly?
    Injuries related to an accidental discharge of a firearm.
  • Center Left
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    Charlotte, NC
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    Polwatch Wrote: Teaching children gun safety makes sense. We require driver's licenses to operate a vehicle and young drivers get a discount on insurance when they have completed driver's education programs. I would like to see part of gun owership include requiring a license (with background checks) and liability insurance requirements. We can't control guns...they are out there already, so why not require a license (with insurance) to purchase ammo? I'm a licensed gun owner and I would not object to a requirement like this.
    Liability insurance for what exactly?
    Injuries related to an accidental discharge of a firearm.
    Are your sure that's what he is referring to? That doesn't seem plausible in any way at all. I would like to here from Polwatch.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Long past the time to repeal the Second amendment and enter the real world!
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    I go to summer camp each year with the Boy Scouts of America and they instruct firearm skills and safety regularly to young scouts. Both .22 and 12GA shotgun skills. With the shotgun the scout has to earn 20 out of 25 skeet shots for a merit badge. With the .22, the scout has to earn 17 hits in the bulls eye out of 25 tries.

    It's a hit with scouts each summer. Teaching children about weapons..........not a chance. Teaching them safety and skills in firearms...that's true and it's a lot of fun.

    There are much more damaging issues on Guns to talk about. The people that have a fear of guns are the ones I'm afraid of. They will either kill themselves or someone else, because they do not know safety and how to handle a gun if they should ever try. Is this teaching them to be little warriors........not a chance.....don't even attempt to make that connection.
  • Independent
    Mobile, AL
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    Like auto insurance...liability insurance for injury, illegal use or death caused by the license holder. Insurance companies would be more likely to do an in-depth investigation of someone applying for coverage. (Like driver's education programs, discounts could be available for those who complete gun safety classes.) This would mean those applying for a gun permit would undergo a REAL background check (nothing like a bottom line to encourage a serious investigation). This would also mean that local/state/federal agencies would not have the expense of those checks. Requiring that no ammo be sold to anyone without the insurance would effectively render the millions of illegal weapons now on the street useless. I also wonder if there is some way to have the ammo coded, so it could be traced (like explosives). As I said before, I am a gun owner who enjoys target shooting as a sport and while I know this would increase the cost, I think the increase in public safety would be worth it.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Pol ..."Requiring that no ammo be sold to anyone without the insurance would effectively render the millions of illegal weapons now on the streets useless"...

    You are joking, right?

    Like making illegal drugs illegal keeps the illegal drugs off the streets? Or requiring all drivers to have auto insurance keeps every vehicle insured? Unfortunately there are lots of illegal drugs just like there are lots of uninsured drivers.

    Banning the ammo would just raise the price and make smuggling it in more profitable. The drug smugglers already in business would just expand the business model and hire more smugglers and make more money.

    People who have illegal weapons do not care how legal or illegal their ammo is, just like users of illegal drugs don't care.

    Illegal drug users still get their drugs like the illegal ammo consumers would still get their illegal ammo. The price would be higher, and the supply would be constrained, but they'd still get the ammo.

    Having the ammo coded is an interesting idea that I have heard before and I think it may work. Bullets would be easy, shotgun pellets maybe not so much. It could probably be done.
  • Independent
    Mobile, AL
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    I understand your questioning how effective controlling the ammo would be...but, if the ammo could be coded, it could be traced back to the source. If the mfg has to explain how his ammo got into illegal channels, it would reduce the amounts SOME. No method is fool-proof, dishonest people will always find a way to cheat, but anything that even slows the gun violence down is a good thing. Lisa Bloom's new book points out that the only country in the world with a comparable gun violence rate is Yemen...which is really something to think about.
  • Center Left
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    Charlotte, NC
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    I agree with you Polwatch about the coding. Serial number etched into ammo, corresponding to the box, then bought by the person (who would be a registered owner) would all link together making it a closed circuit. That is a very probable thing to see happen. Unfortunately, the insurance (though a good concept) wouldn't ever work. All I see with that is more broken, unfair, loop hole bound laws.