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Another shooting at Fort Hood 4/2

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  • Center Left
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    Fort Hood is on lockdown at this very moment and local news agencies are reporting that there is an active shooter on the premise. There are reports of at least one person dead. I will update this as more information becomes available.
  • Center Left
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    As of 6pm: One shooter is in custody, but authorities are looking into the possibility that there is another shooter. Lots of conflicting reports on injuries. Roughly 20 shots fired.
  • Democrat
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    Just reported 4 dead including one shooter, Information Officer on post claims not a terrorist but a soldier on soldier incident.
  • Center Left
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    Rep. Mike McCaul, Chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, told CNN's Erin Burnett that four people are dead and the shooter's name is Spc. Ivan Lopez.
  • Independent
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    Zach F Wrote: Rep. Mike McCaul, Chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, told CNN's Erin Burnett that four people are dead and the shooter's name is Spc. Ivan Lopez.
    Great; I love this; pure the aftermath of Mr. Bushes wars; the guy served in Iraq and came back "nuts"; more of these fantastic hero's will be doing these things for sure. Everyone should love Bush and Cheney for this; give them some more medals to hand out!! Wow , Ivan Lopez? A Russian Latino? Must be Cuban!!
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Regardless of which news source you read (and I read 5 newspapers every day), the same phrases about this story keep coming up:

    " .. was being evaluated for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder .. "

    " .. had been treated for depression and anxiety ... "

    " .. showed no signs of violence or suicidal tendencies .. "

    " .. no indication that the soldier was involved with any extremist organizations .. "


    The most popular drug prescribed in America in 2013 was Abilify, which had sales of $6.46 billion. It is used to treat psychosis and depression.

    The 7th most popular drug, Cymbalta, had sales of $5.2 billion. It is used to treat depression and anxiety disorders.

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/820011

    Although it may seem obvious to most of us that people who are taking either one of these drugs should not be allowed to have access to guns, there are an awful lot of people (like Rand Paul or Tend Nugent) who would disagree with us. FOX "news", naturally, feels the way to prevent future base shootings is to "end restrictions on service members carrying weapons on post".

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/03/fort-hood-shooting-repeat-renews-calls-for-ending-gun-restrictions-on-base/

    Even Wayne LaPierre, in one of his rare moments of lunacy, advocated a national registry of the mentally ill as a way to stem gun violence:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/21/the-nra-wants-an-active-mental-illness-database-thirty-eight-states-have-that-now/


    Although the extreme gun rights folks are of the opinion that both Medicare and the Affordable Care Act REQUIRE a doctor to ask patients if they have a gun in the house, snopes very effectively proved both of the rumors as FALSE:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/medicare.asp

    This same group, incidentally, also believes that under Obamacare, government field agents will be able to conduct forced home visits without a warrant. If they find a gun or beer in your house, they can forcibly remove your children.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/homeinspections.asp


    President Obama's nominee for Surgeon General, Dr. Vivek, believes that gun violence is a major public health issue, which is an opinion held by most medical professionals. Naturally, the NRA opposes his nomination:

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/178888/why-nra-blocking-obamas-surgeon-general-nominee#


    Although the Surgeon General post has been vacant since last July, it may be prudent for the Obama administration to hold off pressing for his nomination until after the November elections. Both the Senate and House races are too close to call, so the fewer "talking points" the party that shut down the government twice has against the Democrats, the better off we'll be.

    In the meantime, all that all us can do is to hope (or pray) that another Ft. Hood doesn't occur someplace in the country.
  • Independent
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: Regardless of which news source you read (and I read 5 newspapers every day), the same phrases about this story keep coming up:

    " .. was being evaluated for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder .. "

    " .. had been treated for depression and anxiety ... "

    " .. showed no signs of violence or suicidal tendencies .. "

    " .. no indication that the soldier was involved with any extremist organizations .. "


    The most popular drug prescribed in America in 2013 was Abilify, which had sales of $6.46 billion. It is used to treat psychosis and depression.

    The 7th most popular drug, Cymbalta, had sales of $5.2 billion. It is used to treat depression and anxiety disorders.

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/820011

    Although it may seem obvious to most of us that people who are taking either one of these drugs should not be allowed to have access to guns, there are an awful lot of people (like Rand Paul or Tend Nugent) who would disagree with us. FOX "news", naturally, feels the way to prevent future base shootings is to "end restrictions on service members carrying weapons on post".

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/03/fort-hood-shooting-repeat-renews-calls-for-ending-gun-restrictions-on-base/

    I can agree with Fox news on this one. Most people don't realize it, but the military has a plan of what to do in cases like the one in Fort Hood where everyone is armed... Several times a year there are shootings on bases in area's where everyone there is armed. They don't get reported by the news because most of the time there is at most 2 casualties. The person the gunman shot and the gunman himself.

    The first thing to remember is that the military personnel on base are ALL trained shooters. They are not your typical hunter who may or may not have been trained to safely use their riffle/gun. Also, the military, despite what you see in movies or on TV, does not use the 'spray and pray' method (with the exception of machine gunners, and I couldn't imagine carrying around even an M249 all day on base... Did it for a 5k ruck march and hated it, and that was an unloaded M249) The riffles and pistols the military uses (the M-16A2, the M-4 carbine, and the M-9 pistol) are NOT machine guns like they are shown in movies. They fire a max 3 round burst. In BRM (Basic Riffle Marksmanship), which all military men and women take, the 2 most commonly heard phrases are "One shot, one kill" and "Pick your target". This means that (often in the space of a second or two) you look to see who fired the shot, determine who they fired at, determine if they are aiming at someone else, take aim, and fire IF YOU'VE GOT A CLEAR SHOT.

    Back to the shootings on bases... They happen at the range on occasion (a few times a year, especially in Basic Training) and before going to the range the trainees are told what to do if an incident happens. If someone starts shooting at people the trainees are to all hit the ground. The Drill Sergeants will then attempt to talk the person into lowering their weapon. If the person does not lower his/her weapon or takes aim at someone, then ONE drill sergeant, the one with the clearest shot (and there is cross talk going on during the senior ranking person trying to talk to the gunman, so they know who has the clearest shot), fires one round. Many times the incident is resolved with no fatalities. Put that on a larger scale and ensure training on what to do in the case of a gunman and incidents like Fort Hood would have a much different ending. Would there be some cases where a bystander got shot accidently? Yeah, but it would be fairly rare. Would I support the same thing for off base? Hell no, most civilians barely have the training to know which end the bullet comes out of (figuratively speaking)...
  • Liberal
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    I feel so much safer now!
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote: I feel so much safer now!
    So we go with what many (not all) liberals want, where only the police can have/carry guns in public. Wait... That's the current policy on bases. How safe is the 'only the police can have guns' looking now?
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Ranma:


    Surprisingly, I actually agree with you on a couple of your points.

    1) It's absolutely true that arming a whole bunch of civilians is a bad idea, and there is no better proof of that than in your home state. According to Mapquest, you are about 75 miles due south of either Columbine or Aurora, both of which saw some horrific shootings . Columbine High School actually had an armed guard on premises at the time of the shooting in 1999, but even he couldn't stop the carnage. Having even more armed people at the school would have inevitably resulted in a higher death toll. The guns used by the two 17 year old shooters, incidentally, were purchased by their 18 year old girlfriend from an unlicensed dealer at a gun show (which meant no background check).

    Having armed people in the theater, firing blindly in the dark, would also have resulted in more innocent deaths. In spite of that, some of our wacky politicians in Arizona still think it's a good idea to have firearms in theaters. The "tin foil hat" crowd, of course, thinks that the shooting was orchestrated by the FBI to give them cover to take away all of our guns.

    2) I absolutely agree with you that members of the armed forces (at least most of them) know how to handle firearms. When I was in the National Guard, I qualified as a "sharpshooter", largely on the basis of my $10 magazine. (A $10 bill placed on the sandbag near where you were shooting went into the pocket of the drill sergeant, and never failed to improve your score).

    If you review the history of the NRA, you'll notice that the organization has long been involved in TRAINING, including the training of both police and the military.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association




    4 years ago, the Arizona legislature removed the requirement that carriers of concealed weapons needed TRAINING and permits, so apparently we are still in the "Wild West" out here.



    It's fairly common knowledge that my new home state of Arizona has the worst gun laws in the country. Although the death rate per 100,000 isn't the highest in the country (that title belongs to Louisiana) it's still pretty high on the list, with a rate of 15 gun deaths per 100,000 population. It's also legal to bring your gun to church in Louisiana, which probably helps to fill those collection baskets.

    You'll be happy to know that Colorado is pretty far down on the list (#26) with a death rate of 10.4 per 100,000, and pgr definitely does have a reason to feel safe, since New Hampshire is one of the safest states in the country, with a death rate of only 5.9 per 100,000 of population. If you look at the statistics of the 10 states that are the safest, you'll notice that all of them have strict, or very strict, gun laws.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/11/20-deadliest-gun-states-from-mississippi-to-arizona.html

    The safest state in the country, Hawaii, only had 7 murders in all of 2012, and only one of those was committed with a firearm.

    http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Opinion/125052-2012-12-24-86-of-hawaii-murders-committed-w-hands-fists-feet-and.htm

    So ...

    if you are in Hawaii, watch out for this guy:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEllHMWkXEU
  • Democrat
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    I thought I saw in national news tonight that the shooter was on AMBIEN to treat his mental conditions. I know people that have been on AMBIEN and that can be scary. They travel places not knowing how they got to their destination. They wake up in the middle of the night and do things they don't normally do when they are supposed to be asleep.

    AMBIEN is on the watch list for a drug being prescribed and how some people react to the effects.

    Remember next month is National Mental Health Month!
  • Liberal
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: They wake up in the middle of the night and do things they don't normally do when they are supposed to be asleep.

    i do that every night - sometimes I even go online and answer people who have nothing better to do than post online! Damn, the dog ate my pills again, I hope she gets off the bed.
  • Center Left
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: I thought I saw in national news tonight that the shooter was on AMBIEN to treat his mental conditions. I know people that have been on AMBIEN and that can be scary. They travel places not knowing how they got to their destination. They wake up in the middle of the night and do things they don't normally do when they are supposed to be asleep.

    AMBIEN is on the watch list for a drug being prescribed and how some people react to the effects.

    Remember next month is National Mental Health Month!
    There are lots of people on Ambien. They don't go around shooting people. Sleep walking is a common side effect of Ambien but it seems unlikely that sleep walking was a factor at 3pm on a military base.
  • Democrat
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    Ok, if he was sleepwalking, does that diminish the possibility of arming yourself, taking aim and shooting people while ASLEEP? Maybe he woke up when he became aware of where he was and that he was about to be arrested............so he committed suicide to avoid the horror of what he may have done. In time we'll know. I was just asking the question to confirm the report that the shooter was on AMBIEN. The why's, and how's will eventually come later.

    Another thought is watching the news about questions on the military carrying weapons on base.............who's the idiot asking the questions? I realize I'm all for strict gun control, but questioning the military on carrying weapons on base.........that's a little too much for even me. Whoever wants to remove the weapons from our soldiers must have a death wish allowing an invading militia to walk on our military bases. Oh yea! I must be smoking pot to hear someone wanting to remove weapons from soldiers. Crazy......just plain crazy.
  • Center Left
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    3pm in the afternoon on a military base. I seriously doubt he was sleeping