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Redskin..racial slur, or,a reminder???

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  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    I realize that we all have our own opinions about life and I often forget that when responding to some of your posts. I'm a work in progress. For those whom I've offended I apologize.

    The word Redskin, n-word, f-word and my favorite "wet back" (I'm half wetback) need to remain. Our attempts to remove these words are an indication of sweeping our past under the carpet. The words remind us how viscous man is......these words need to stay. I read trail of tears in prison. Until I read the book I would have never known what " WHITEY" did to native Americans. Should we get rid of the book as being "offensive"?

    I guess I have thick skin. I can laugh at any attempt of racial slurs, comments, and jokes. Some are meant to be funny, others an attempt at being mean. I want people to reveal themselves. Give a person enough time and he well reveal himself. Racism hasn't gone anywhere. Political correctness has simply allowed racists to change words and phrases in order to get to the same outcome.

    Listen...."Mexicans live twenty in an apartment and love Velvet prints of Jesus"...Offensive??? yes.....the truth ????/ yes.. Every aunt I have had that damn velvet picture of Jesus...it must explain me being an atheist.


    The truth is that "WHITEY" performed scalping first, the Indians only scalped in response to Whitey's actions. I learned that from reading......These words need to stay.

    if maybe I'm wrong about this, please educate me
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    I have an opinion about the term "Redskins" when applied to a sports team. I think that any words used as a Team Name is given respect, as you will not root for a team to Win, unless you "like the team." When the crowd cheers the "Cardinals" at a baseball game, they are not cheering something they hate, -- like they don't want the team to be caged, shot, or eaten. They are yelling that they WANT that team to WIN, to be successful, to be honored. They want to remember that victory, & the names of that team, for generations to come.

    I don't think the team name "Redskins" is meant at all to be racist, or negative. It was just an innocent name they applied, long after any of the negative meanings had, long ago, evaporated into history. If you yelled "Go, Bronco's" does it mean you hate the Bronco's? NO, it means just the opposite. So if somebody is cheering "Go Redskins, Go!" they are cheering them on to victory. A sign of respect & good wishes. NOT RACIST.

    I once lived in an area where many teams were named after Indian tribes. Some of our cities were named after tribes, and a lake, and a river also. We enjoy all those names, and say them with respect. We honor the History of their people & enjoy participating in some of their local tribal gatherings, like Pow-wow's and Cultural gatherings. We loved the beadwork & silver jewelry & kachina dolls they made. And the chance to BUY them, of course.
  • Other Party
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    Political correctness will force the Redskins to change the name.

    Maybe not this year or next, it may be many years, but make no mistake...the name will be changed, because it IS a real insult to a group of people.

    Yes, the fans and supporters of the team mean no disrespect, but that's irrevelant. A group of people ARE disrespected and insulted.

    The NFL is so big and successful and rich that they are too big a target...they HAVE to change, there will be too much pressure.

    Are we too sensitive? Of course we are, but this is political corectness run amok, as usual. Would the name Washington n-words, Washington f-words, or Washington Wet Backs be acceptable?

    The name WILL change, it's just a matter of when.
  • Liberal
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    jamesn Wrote: Political correctness will force the Redskins to change the name.

    Maybe not this year or next, it may be many years, but make no mistake...the name will be changed, because it IS a real insult to a group of people.

    Yes, the fans and supporters of the team mean no disrespect, but that's irrevelant. A group of people ARE disrespected and insulted.

    The NFL is so big and successful and rich that they are too big a target...they HAVE to change, there will be too much pressure.

    Are we too sensitive? Of course we are, but this is political corectness run amok, as usual. Would the name Washington n-words, Washington f-words, or Washington Wet Backs be acceptable?

    The name WILL change, it's just a matter of when.
    But why now in 2014/??? why not 30 years ago.....Immigrant farm workers are being abused today in 2014. where's my mother's part in casino revenue??? Lets be real about this topic. the American Indian community simply jumped on the band wagon of playing the victim in order to somehow get a "pay day"......Just like everyone else today....Larry H. parker got me 20 million.....for those who don't get it. Larry H. Parker is a law firm here in CA. I have been listening to that commercial most of my life....they represent car accident victims.

    The "lets go to court' mentality. Is it a wonder why car insurance is so expensive? The Class action lawsuit community. Lawyers lining up to go after those with deep pockets.

    No one wants to be truly honest about the problems in this country. people get real selective in the blaming process. We are all Coffee shop revolutionists..... we allow this to happen and then cry about it way later

  • Center Left
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    L.A.,
    I firmly disagree with you. As human beings we should hope to continue to learn, grow, and develop. In doing so we can discard mistakes made in the past. Learning from them and moving forward, sorry for the disrespect we put out. Hurtful terms don't just hurt the one they're aimed at.... it's like pouring poison into the well. It hurts everyone. You say you have thick skin. Good for you. That should help you to avoid being hurt by others. I think others using the words: Redskins, n-word, f-word, or wet back do a disservice because they dumb down the room. They tell others, I'm an asshole and it's ok if you are too. Let's all be jerks to everyone who isn't exactly like us. As far as the book you read, that's different because in writing, many things can be offensive but still be informative or entertaining. You have the right to read what you want, or chose not to read it if it's not what you like. That's different from someone being called hateful names, words, or slang. If you think about people in the past versus people today, hopefully we can all slowly improve and become better people. After all, it's through our actions that our kids and grandchildren learn what's good, bad, acceptable or not.
    I grew up in a house with much racial prejudice. I didn't like it and I didn't carry that forward. My children never heard the negative stuff that I grew up with. I think because of that, they're better off and better adjusted.
  • Liberal
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    Mr. Tony,

    we need that asshole in the room to gauge our own behavior. Think about if "Hitler" was swept under the rug....Fredrick Douglas, "without struggle, there's no progress'

    I was not even thought of in 1942, history and television introduced me to Hitler. It's almost as if I was there. Remember the "thug" comment recently. I would rather be called a wetback than my birth certificate to be questioned. If they called Obama a n-word they would be exposed immediately....but to question his birth place allows the game to continue......

    To expose truth is part of the struggle.
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    I must have a more "innocent" point of view, since I have never heard anyone use the term "redskin" in any derogatory manner. I have never heard anyone SAY the word "redskin" to anyone, or about anyone. To me, it is simply a name of a team, neither negative or positive, -- & beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Redskin is no more offensive to me, than the word "sunburned" or "embarrassed." But maybe if you grew up in a town where half of the population are Indians, and they have been branded with negative stereotypes, it may be a whole lot different.

    Somehow the whole thing has become a racial issue. Maybe it always has been, although I have never been exposed to that kind of racism. People have become very "sensitive" to simple things, like calling an Indian by a "team name," but in everyday life and language, they seldom apologize for calling a woman "FAT" -- or a child "goofy looking" -- or a senior citizen "an old fart" etc. It may be insulting, or hurtful to the person being targeted, but it has not yet been made "illegal" to say certain insulting words. Maybe we should all stop being the Thought Police & just Live and Let Live, as we all journey along thru this fantastic world we are now fortunate enough to inhabit. ENJOY IT.
  • Liberal
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    eternal flame Wrote: I must have a more "innocent" point of view, since I have never heard anyone use the term "redskin" in any derogatory manner. I have never heard anyone SAY the word "redskin" to anyone, or about anyone. To me, it is simply a name of a team, neither negative or positive, -- & beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Redskin is no more offensive to me, than the word "sunburned" or "embarrassed." But maybe if you grew up in a town where half of the population are Indians, and they have been branded with negative stereotypes, it may be a whole lot different.

    Somehow the whole thing has become a racial issue. Maybe it always has been, although I have never been exposed to that kind of racism. People have become very "sensitive" to simple things, like calling an Indian by a "team name," but in everyday life and language, they seldom apologize for calling a woman "FAT" -- or a child "goofy looking" -- or a senior citizen "an old fart" etc. It may be insulting, or hurtful to the person being targeted, but it has not yet been made "illegal" to say certain insulting words. Maybe we should all stop being the Thought Police & just Live and Let Live, as we all journey along thru this fantastic world we are now fortunate enough to inhabit. ENJOY IT.
    An interesting point....also a valid one. I've always believed that change occurs only when change occurs. The thought police. I like the term.

    initially, it wasn't about race. this was about the sensitivity regarding the term "Redskin" 40 plus years after the team was formed. About the change in our society in response to miniscule issues.....About the perceived offense and the illusory "trauma" caused. Most people perceive these issues as somehow a personal 'suffering" that they must address in order to right a wrong. a crusade in the pursuit to self righteousness. the idea of waking up in the morning and saying "IM A GOOD GUY".

    A safe and convenient way to be heard. A COFFEE SHOP REVOLUTIONARY
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    Hello L.A. Citizen: I am really impressed with your profound reply to me. It is so well spoken, I would think you were possibly in Law School. Or studying to be a professor of Literature. Isn't life a fantastic journey? Some days you make a giant leap forward, & then another day you are just clinging onto a vine & hoping you don't fall like a stone. It's sort of like a mental roller coaster.

    Anyway, I hope things are going well for you. I always enjoy your posts. And YOU Really Are a NICE GUY.
  • Liberal
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    eternal flame Wrote: Hello L.A. Citizen: I am really impressed with your profound reply to me. It is so well spoken, I would think you were possibly in Law School. Or studying to be a professor of Literature. Isn't life a fantastic journey? Some days you make a giant leap forward, & then another day you are just clinging onto a vine & hoping you don't fall like a stone. It's sort of like a mental roller coaster.

    Anyway, I hope things are going well for you. I always enjoy your posts. And YOU Really Are a NICE GUY.
    Thank you, but many in this forum would disagree with you. No law school or professorship....a commercial truck driver here in LA... the only decent job I could get with my history. Fighting my case en pro se helped expand my vocabulary a little, but in truth, the law sucks. I found that even when your right the courts won't address the issues when denying your appeal. a simple "DENIED" is all you get.

    The law did open my eyes to what's really going in our government. People don't or won't understand until it personally affects them...and then it's too late. Everything a person needs to know about "government in action" can be found in court decisions...not MSNBC, CNN or any other commentary program

    My worldview comes by way of personal experience, observation, and this thing called Objective reality. As the Buddha stated..."IT IS AS IT SHALL BE"

    You are correct. life is good. Thanks again
  • Democrat
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    These types of issues are always complicated, is it political correctness, or is it a form of censorship, what is the number needed{ percentage wise} to constitute an offensive word or action , a super majority, or just a majority, or maybe just a loud and vocal minority, there have been several Native American organizations who don't mind the name and others who couldn't care less, so who does the offender listen to or even try defend his position to?
  • Liberal
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    johnnycee Wrote: These types of issues are always complicated, is it political correctness, or is it a form of censorship, what is the number needed{ percentage wise} to constitute an offensive word or action , a super majority, or just a majority, or maybe just a loud and vocal minority, there have been several Native American organizations who don't mind the name and others who couldn't care less, so who does the offender listen to or even try defend his position to?
    good point