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Students walk out on Cheney interview crying "war criminal"

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  • Center Left
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    American University's student run press interviewed Dick Cheney a couple days ago and a handful of the students walked out while calling Cheney a war criminal.

    Cheney has often argued that the prisoners at GitMo are exempt from the POW provisions of the 1949 Geneva Convention because they are unlawful combatants. I know that this topic has been discussed to death but clearly it is still an issue. So it looks like it still bears discussing.

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  • Liberal
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    I can't believe I'm saying this.....In every aspect of our lives the bad guy dies. Video games, movies, and books. The bad guy is the guy trying to kill me (whatever the politics.. or... who's right)

    The world has changed. 20 years ago I would have agreed with those students. But the truth is...we have screwed with so many countries this was bound to happen. I have kids who have to navigate this life after I'm gone. Any threat to their lives (justified or not) the bad guy must die. They should build more enemy combatant prisons and torture more of them. I'm not in agreement with how this country handles foreign policy....but I agree that any person must die when threatening my family and friends ,,,,,,unfortunately it's come to this .


    I can't believe I would have ever said this. Someone has to be that capitalist pig....I happen to be that...not by choice but by geographic residence. So torture and imprison anyone that interferes with that.....Sorry
  • Other Party
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    Even a guy like Cheney deserves freedom of speech.

    These kids seem to believe in freedom of speech only as long as they agree with the message. Otherwise, freedom of speech is not so important.

    On the positive side, these young people seem to be interested in and care about politics and world affairs, and we need more of that.

    They should peacefully and lawfully protest outside the building.
  • Center Left
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    Not a freedom of speech issue. Not even close. Nothing that even resembles a freedom of speech issue. The students have every right to walk out on Cheney as Cheney has to speak and vice versa

    It becomes a freedom of speech issue if the Government is coming in and jailing people or silencing people with force.
  • Other Party
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    They have every right to walk out silently.

    Did they interrupt the proceedings and call him a war criminal?

    He deserves his chance to speak as we all do.
  • Independent
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    Truthfully, Chaney was right in how he classified them. (About time in my opinion...) The prisoners at Gitmo are covered under the 1949 Geneva Conventions, but NOT as 'enemy combatants'... They don't meet the criteria established by the Geneva Conventions to be considered enemy combatants. The criteria they do match is that of terrorist/'unlawful combatants' and as such have very few 'rights' allowed under the Geneva Conventions. Two of the requirement of the Geneva Conventions to be considered an 'enemy combatant' and granted rights as such, are that you must be a member of a nations military (which the prisoners are not, they are insurgents and not part of any nations military) and you must declare what nation's military you are a member of (which the prisoners have not) within a certain amount of time (I believe its 3 days, but can't be sure without looking it up...)
  • Center Left
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    jamesn Wrote: They have every right to walk out silently.

    Did they interrupt the proceedings and call him a war criminal?

    He deserves his chance to speak as we all do.
    Yes, it was extremely rude to interrupt and very, very poor taste. Still not a freedom of speech. They have every right to walk out silently and they have ever right to walk out banging pots and pans and singing "The Song That Never Ends." One way just makes them look like huge assholes.

    They have every right to scream and shout while staying in the room. However, then the organizers have a right to escort them out of the room where they can scream and shout somewhere else.
  • Liberal
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    They did this not for the "right' of free speech. The message was "WAR Criminal" Is he in fact a war criminal? are they correct?
  • Other Party
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    You're almost right.

    It doesn't make them look like huge assholes, it makes them huge assholes.

    Lots of people would say he's a war criminal, lots of people would say he's not.

    He's not convicted anywhere except in the court of public opinion, and that doesn't count.
  • Democrat
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    Even if Cheney was convicted in court, it would have been a light sentence, because of power (a Vice-president) and money (his assets and his friends assets). Defense barons funded his agenda and he played the war exactly how he was supposed to convincing the foolish in America to go to war without regards of who they were actually going to war for in response to 9-11. America will forget this episode in blind justice and as Bush is even escaping his demise of "Mission Accomplished". All Bush and Cheney accomplished for going to war in a country that is documented not having anything to do with 9-11 is the sending Americans to death, but that is what all soldiers know. Most all take their orders and follow them. It's during the war and after a war that soldiers realize what the hell there actually doing. A soldier never questions going to war, it's later you wonder what your fighting. It's to late to change course, you continue to serve and hope you can come home to your family.

    I do believe that Cheney has more to blame than Bush, but Bush being the President did not have listen to the advice of his Vice President. Sadam was a target for Daddy Bush, which made Son Bush respond well to Cheney's guidance.

    Now that some classified documents are becoming open to public review, we find that the CIA did not disclose the truth in Congressional hearings on prisoner torture methods and the intelligence they gathered..............gee, who can be surprised of that?

    The longer America distances themselves from the history of the Iraq War, the more time it gives for our country to forget. The longer you can postpone the justice of a crime, the evidence just seems to disappear and people just want to let it go. So, criminals get away with whatever criminal act they have done. Just this week, the news about some rich man who sexually abused his daughter (3 years old). This man was convicted, but the judge gave him probation. Although, he has to register as a sex offender, he is walking the streets and neighborhoods for his next child victim. It's another example of money and power that buy your freedom from true justice.

    I'm one of many that believe Cheney is a War Criminal for the harm he did to America. I would not qualify as a jury participate in his trial, because I've already convicted him.
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Even if Cheney was convicted in court, it would have been a light sentence, because of power (a Vice-president) and money (his assets and his friends assets). Defense barons funded his agenda and he played the war exactly how he was supposed to convincing the foolish in America to go to war without regards of who they were actually going to war for in response to 9-11. America will forget this episode in blind justice and as Bush is even escaping his demise of "Mission Accomplished".
    That was for that particular ship. They were in the area to perform a mission, they accomplished their mission and returned to the US. If the MSM had paid attention to the speech Bush gave on the ship everyone would realize that, but the MSM (all news really) reports what they want and ignores the rest as 'unimportant'...
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:
    All Bush and Cheney accomplished for going to war in a country that is documented not having anything to do with 9-11 is the sending Americans to death, but that is what all soldiers know. Most all take their orders and follow them. It's during the war and after a war that soldiers realize what the hell there actually doing. A soldier never questions going to war, it's later you wonder what your fighting. It's to late to change course, you continue to serve and hope you can come home to your family.
    And I suppose the chemicals used to 'make pesticides' (which can also be used to make nerve agents) that were found in military bunkers had nothing to do with the WMD claims...
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:
    I do believe that Cheney has more to blame than Bush, but Bush being the President did not have listen to the advice of his Vice President. Sadam was a target for Daddy Bush, which made Son Bush respond well to Cheney's guidance.
    Sure, if you ignore the 14 UN resolution violations in 10 years... How many times would you let a murderer violate his parole before taking him off the streets?
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:
    Now that some classified documents are becoming open to public review, we find that the CIA did not disclose the truth in Congressional hearings on prisoner torture methods and the intelligence they gathered..............gee, who can be surprised of that?
    Was the torture immoral? Debatable considering what they did to US men and women even from the start... Illegal under international law? Nope, read the Geneva Conventions, they fall under the category of terrorists/insurgents.
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:
    The longer America distances themselves from the history of the Iraq War, the more time it gives for our country to forget. The longer you can postpone the justice of a crime, the evidence just seems to disappear and people just want to let it go. So, criminals get away with whatever criminal act they have done. Just this week, the news about some rich man who sexually abused his daughter (3 years old). This man was convicted, but the judge gave him probation. Although, he has to register as a sex offender, he is walking the streets and neighborhoods for his next child victim. It's another example of money and power that buy your freedom from true justice.
    What crimes were committed by the US government in Iraq? As for the sex offender... Considering he's got about (according to DOJ) a 2% likelihood of reoffending and the conditions of his probation (I know several SO's on probation and know their conditions) are so strict that barely anyone makes it through without violating, I'd say its not really an issue. I'd be more worried about the person living next door with a conviction for robbery, who has a 65% chance to reoffend...
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:
    I'm one of many that believe Cheney is a War Criminal for the harm he did to America. I would not qualify as a jury participate in his trial, because I've already convicted him.
    I don't agree that he's a war criminal, but its your right to believe it if you want. And at least your honest enough to disqualify yourself from a trial, if there was one. Many people aren't that honest. So if nothing else (and we rarely see eye to eye AMC) I respect you for your honesty and sense of honor.
  • Liberal
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    Dick Cheney is Nicolas Carpathia........pop quiz.....does anyone know who Nicolas is????
  • Independent
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Dick Cheney is Nicolas Carpathia........pop quiz.....does anyone know who Nicolas is????
    That's easy, Nicolae (the correct spelling of his name) Carpathia was the man who rose to power as the head of the UN, renamed it the Global Union and became its king, and was later revealed to be the Anti-Christ in the Series "Left Behind" by Timothy LeHay and Jerry B. Jenkins.
  • Center Left
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    RanmaMOJ Wrote:
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:
    I do believe that Cheney has more to blame than Bush, but Bush being the President did not have listen to the advice of his Vice President. Sadam was a target for Daddy Bush, which made Son Bush respond well to Cheney's guidance.
    Sure, if you ignore the 14 UN resolution violations in 10 years... How many times would you let a murderer violate his parole before taking him off the streets?
    Except this was an American operation, not a UN one.
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    Zach F Wrote:
    RanmaMOJ Wrote:
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:
    I do believe that Cheney has more to blame than Bush, but Bush being the President did not have listen to the advice of his Vice President. Sadam was a target for Daddy Bush, which made Son Bush respond well to Cheney's guidance.
    Sure, if you ignore the 14 UN resolution violations in 10 years... How many times would you let a murderer violate his parole before taking him off the streets?
    Except this was an American operation, not a UN one.
    Just like the first Iraq War was a 'UN' operation after everything was done? or the original agreement was a 'UN' agreement after the ink was dry on the agreement between the US and Iraq (Please remember that the US was already pulling troops out after signing an agreement before the UN made their first resolution in regards to Iraq)? Even the second Iraq war (the one that started in 2003) the UN tried to take credit for the regime change and reconstruction, AFTER the US took out Saddam and started the reconstruction. And don't forget where practically all the money and manpower for the reconstruction (not to mention troops to try to ensure security) came from after the UN 'took over'... With Iraq, I personally (had I been President, and I wouldn't want to be) would have said (long before 9/11) that we are going to regime change Iraq because of their repeated violations of the treaty that ended the war and abuse of their people. Both easily provable...

    Honestly, as if you couldn't tell, I'm not a big fan of the UN. It was a great idea, but its been led away from why it was founded to be by too many politicians from various countries... It was never meant to be a law enforcement organization, it was meant to be a treaty enforcement organization. If someone broke a treaty, give them a chance to fix it, if they refused, go in and regime change. That was part of the charter of the UN, not passing laws to try and change another countries culture because one religion/country or another feel its wrong.