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  • Center Left
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    I'm not a fan of the UN either, but if Iraq or any other country breaks the UN resolutions then it is up to the UN to make the decision on how to handle it. The US can't just invade a country and the argue that the broke UN resolutions. It is not the US's place to make unilateral decisions on behalf of the UN.

    Also, if you look at the history of the US in the Middle East, everything that the US touches seems to turn to shit. We have over thrown democracies, installed viscous dictators, and installed military bases all over the place. It seems that every action the US takes comes back and bites us in the ass about a decade later. Iranian Revolution, backing Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qeada, putting Sadam Hussein in power, and funding and arming the Taliban. All of this was done to try and install a more American friendly presence in the Middle East, and all of it has backfired for US and caused millions of civilian and military deaths in the region. It's really easy to argue that the US is the number de-stabalizing influence in the region.

    So yes, the UN wasn't really formed as a world police. It was formed as a step to bringing the world together, hopefully towards peace. It was formed to help enforce treaties. I was formed to provide humanitarian aide. And most importantly, it was formed to prevent another World War. It tries to resolve conflicts without violence, usually through trade sanctions.

    The US has taken huge steps to destroy the legitimacy of the UN by ignoring the same resolutions and sanctions that the UN issues. Additionally, the US continues to support Israel which has broken and violated nearly all of the 65 resolutions against it. And with the US backing Israel, Israel is free to continue to break those resolutions and pursue their aggressive expansionism into Palestine. You would think that since the US holds one of the 5 permanent spots on the security council it would be a little more concerned with image of the UN instead of just ignoring it whenever it pleases.

    I'm not saying this to justify Iraq's violations of UN resolutions, but to illustrate that those violations had almost nothing to do with the actually reason for the invasion.
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    Hi eternal flame Good Grief...not this guy again. This video is from a pretty well known conspiracy theorist, and he's making money telling crazy people what they want to hear. Just google him...

    Just a couple of highlites...he was accused of sexual harrassment, accused a co-worker of burglarizing his office, she accused him of approaching her wearing nothing but his underwear and a smile, ordered by the Oregon Labor Board to pay a fine of $125,000 in that case...he's quite an interesting fellow.

    Previously he was probably best known for "Peak Oil" a theory that most do not believe, and many say has already been proven wrong.

    He will jump on any conspiracy theory that he thinks he can make money on.

    Maybe he's still photo-shopping those pics of Bush and Cheney wearing their coveralls climbing through the elevator shafts planting the explosives at the WTC buildings. He'll probably present that "evidence" to us any day now.

    Remember that there are plenty of REPUTABLE web sites to debunk any and all conspiracy theories about 9-11, if people are interested in the truth, and most of the truthers have no interest in actual truth.

    People will always believe what they WANT to believe.
  • Liberal
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    Zach F Wrote: I'm not a fan of the UN either, but if Iraq or any other country breaks the UN resolutions then it is up to the UN to make the decision on how to handle it. The US can't just invade a country and the argue that the broke UN resolutions. It is not the US's place to make unilateral decisions on behalf of the UN.

    Also, if you look at the history of the US in the Middle East, everything that the US touches seems to turn to shit. We have over thrown democracies, installed viscous dictators, and installed military bases all over the place. It seems that every action the US takes comes back and bites us in the ass about a decade later. Iranian Revolution, backing Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qeada, putting Sadam Hussein in power, and funding and arming the Taliban. All of this was done to try and install a more American friendly presence in the Middle East, and all of it has backfired for US and caused millions of civilian and military deaths in the region. It's really easy to argue that the US is the number de-stabalizing influence in the region.

    So yes, the UN wasn't really formed as a world police. It was formed as a step to bringing the world together, hopefully towards peace. It was formed to help enforce treaties. I was formed to provide humanitarian aide. And most importantly, it was formed to prevent another World War. It tries to resolve conflicts without violence, usually through trade sanctions.

    The US has taken huge steps to destroy the legitimacy of the UN by ignoring the same resolutions and sanctions that the UN issues. Additionally, the US continues to support Israel which has broken and violated nearly all of the 65 resolutions against it. And with the US backing Israel, Israel is free to continue to break those resolutions and pursue their aggressive expansionism into Palestine. You would think that since the US holds one of the 5 permanent spots on the security council it would be a little more concerned with image of the UN instead of just ignoring it whenever it pleases.

    I'm not saying this to justify Iraq's violations of UN resolutions, but to illustrate that those violations had almost nothing to do with the actually reason for the invasion.
    what exactly do you think "AMERICAN INTEREST" means???? Your country id the self proclaimed world policeman. Embrace it. The ghosts of the Alamo would turn in their graves if they heard you grovel like this.....You are from Texas aren't you???? then act like it cowboy
  • Center Left
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    Zach F Wrote: I'm not a fan of the UN either, but if Iraq or any other country breaks the UN resolutions then it is up to the UN to make the decision on how to handle it. The US can't just invade a country and the argue that the broke UN resolutions. It is not the US's place to make unilateral decisions on behalf of the UN.

    Also, if you look at the history of the US in the Middle East, everything that the US touches seems to turn to shit. We have over thrown democracies, installed viscous dictators, and installed military bases all over the place. It seems that every action the US takes comes back and bites us in the ass about a decade later. Iranian Revolution, backing Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qeada, putting Sadam Hussein in power, and funding and arming the Taliban. All of this was done to try and install a more American friendly presence in the Middle East, and all of it has backfired for US and caused millions of civilian and military deaths in the region. It's really easy to argue that the US is the number de-stabalizing influence in the region.

    So yes, the UN wasn't really formed as a world police. It was formed as a step to bringing the world together, hopefully towards peace. It was formed to help enforce treaties. I was formed to provide humanitarian aide. And most importantly, it was formed to prevent another World War. It tries to resolve conflicts without violence, usually through trade sanctions.

    The US has taken huge steps to destroy the legitimacy of the UN by ignoring the same resolutions and sanctions that the UN issues. Additionally, the US continues to support Israel which has broken and violated nearly all of the 65 resolutions against it. And with the US backing Israel, Israel is free to continue to break those resolutions and pursue their aggressive expansionism into Palestine. You would think that since the US holds one of the 5 permanent spots on the security council it would be a little more concerned with image of the UN instead of just ignoring it whenever it pleases.

    I'm not saying this to justify Iraq's violations of UN resolutions, but to illustrate that those violations had almost nothing to do with the actually reason for the invasion.
    what exactly do you think "AMERICAN INTEREST" means???? Your country id the self proclaimed world policeman. Embrace it. The ghosts of the Alamo would turn in their graves if they heard you grovel like this.....You are from Texas aren't you???? then act like it cowboy
    Really confused about this. Who is groveling? What does "act like I'm from Texas" mean? How would I even do that? Do all Texans (26 million) fit into some nice and neat little stereotype in your head? And most importantl (also the only reason I haven't deleted this post because I want to know how anyone can link these in their head), how did you connect the Alamo (ideologically, directly, emotionally, etc) to any of this?

    Deep down, I'm hoping this is some kind of weird satirical reply that I just missed completely or didn't land properly because it is in text form.
  • Liberal
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    Texas isn't a state...it's a state of mind.....calm down cowboy. I was just being humorous this morning
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    Hi Jamesn & Zach: This is a little bit weird. I got up this AM & found a couple of video's that looked "interesting" & put them on here. The guy showed all kinds of CIA credentials, gave his family history of being a narcotics officer, & so on. I did not think anyone would DARE to impersonate all those official "spook" agencies. He really talked like an authentic source. The details he put together were precise also. I had NO IDEA he could have been pulling a "hoax" on anyone. WHERE DO I GO to find out the Truth about him? I'd appreciate your information, please : ) Thanks.
  • Other Party
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    eternal flame google the words: Michael Ruppert

    He's a retired cop, conspiracy theory profiteer, I don't know how much money he makes off this stuff, but people will contribute to almost anything.

    There are many sites to look at, I usually look at wikipedia first because while it is not guaranteed 100% accurate, it is usually fair. Some of the other sites are conspiracy sites and very predictably there are places asking you to donate money located on some or maybe all of them.

    I remember his theory awhile back about "Peak Oil" where he says oil is running out, and he has books/CD's on that subject, and 9-11 truth and maybe others. For a price, of course.

    In my opinion, he's a conspiracy theory profiteer, who makes outragous claims and tells people who WANT to believe in those conspiracies...he tells them exactly what they want to hear. All for MONEY.

    You can form your own opinion of him.