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The greedy pharmaceutical industry

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  • Independent
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    What is your opinion on big pharma? I think the psychiatrists are on their payroll. I think ADHD and ADD are over diagnosed. There is even a disorder called oppositional defiance disorder. I think they came up with ODD so that parents can not take any responsibility in disciplining their kids. What do you think will become of the next generation? Psychiatry is a pseudoscience and failed enterprise! Psychiatrists as well as academics do not have skills for real jobs!
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Obviously, you have had a diagnosis of ADHD and/or ADD and have some history with mental health professionals in your past. Time to start broadening your educational horizons so as to become a better person, let alone citizen. At least by posting here you are making yourself somewhat more aware of what your real problems in life are and how to deal with them. Threats and name calling to others you disagree with, unfortunately, only makes your life worse that what it actually is.

    Take a look in the mirror and see what others see, it might just surprise you!
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    USACcadetgunner Wrote: What is your opinion on big pharma? I think the psychiatrists are on their payroll. I think ADHD and ADD are over diagnosed. There is even a disorder called oppositional defiance disorder. I think they came up with ODD so that parents can not take any responsibility in disciplining their kids. What do you think will become of the next generation? Psychiatry is a pseudoscience and failed enterprise! Psychiatrists as well as academics do not have skills for real jobs!
    I guess there must be a huge shortage of psychiatric specialists in the Army; all the total mental weirdo's who come back from war need these guys forever.
    They are also needed for persons like you who are indoctrinated and can't think for themselves anymore because your brainis are poluted with all the Army lies and hype and promises of heroism once you get killed or wounded then you get a medal of 25 cent made in China. Slogans like" this keeps America safe" are hogwash; no one with the exception of a few radicals attacked America; not whole countries. We "invaded" (like Russia just did) plenty of countries who never attacked us; so are you suprised that they then try to kill the intruders; including you? Just for that fact we have an enormous shortage of "brain" specialists. (Some are also needed for some of our leaders)
  • Independent
    Widefield, CO
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    I agree with USAC that ADHD and ADD are often over diagnosed. I have not ever been diagnosed with either, but one of my friends was diagnosed with ADHD. After going to a medical doctor and getting some tests done it was discovered that the psychiatrists diagnosis of ADHD was wrong. What was happening is that the dyes in certain food and drinks (many of those dies are a type of/have sugar) were reacting with his body chemistry and making him hyperactive. It wasn't a mental health issue at all, it was medical. When he started eating and drinking things that didn't have those dyes in them his hyperactivity issues went away. In the case of ODD, I don't know of anyone who has been diagnosed with it, but from reading up on the symptoms I must ask a question... How do you define "normal childhood behavior"? In my personal opinion (not law, nor does it need to be anyone else's), any 'science' that uses the term "normal" without establishing specifically what is normal is a pseudoscience and highly subjective to the 'scientist' making the determination.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    I agree these conditions may sometimes be over diagnosed. I know far too many children are diagnosed. I have a son who was diagnosed with ADD. I believe far less people have ADHD. My son didn't like taking meds (social stigma) and I believe it later effected him. He's doing pretty good today. I believe I had/have ADD as well. It was confirmed by a Psychiatrist. (it's often genetic) I took meds and initially found much relief. The med was changed to a time released version and the new gains were lost. I believe many are never diagnosed. I don't currently get any help for the condition. I just live with it as I do with my diabetes (which I've had for about 25 years - not type 2 but insulin dependent). A quick story of what it's like.... You have a short attention span because in your mind everything is equally important. I was driving the other day and listening to a very interesting story on National Public Radio. At a stop light I pulled behind a car with about a dozen bumper stickers across the back. I read them though some were difficult to read. I tried to see if they had a message they were trying to get across. Eventually I realized that I had spent 30 - 40 seconds focused on that. I wished I had a rewind button on my radio as I missed much of what I was listening to on NPR. I too have recently learned that there's an approach that suggests foods to try and foods to avoid. I hope to get more information on this topic. I'm certain the Pharma companies want to sell as many meds as they can. That doesn't mean though that it's not often needed.
  • Independent
    New York
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    pr Wrote: Obviously, you have had a diagnosis of ADHD and/or ADD and have some history with mental health professionals in your past. Time to start broadening your educational horizons so as to become a better person, let alone citizen. At least by posting here you are making yourself somewhat more aware of what your real problems in life are and how to deal with them. Threats and name calling to others you disagree with, unfortunately, only makes your life worse that what it actually is.

    Take a look in the mirror and see what others see, it might just surprise you!
    Again with being judgmental. How can you judge someone you haven't even met?
  • Independent
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    I think ADHD and ADD do exist but I think they are over diagnosed.
  • Independent
    New York
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    I agree the definition of normal childhood childhood behavior is too broad! I was thinking of going to med school and become a mental health professional after I do my time in the Air Force. Perhaps I could help change the system.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    A good starting point on this thread is to watch the Dallas Buyers Club, which my wife and I recently did.

    Naturally, the movie got me curious about the pharmaceutical industry, so I did a little fact checking, and came up with some very interesting statistics. For starters, total sales for the 10 largest pharmaceutical companies in 2012 was $441 billion. To put that in perspective, that is larger than the GDP of Austria, the 27th largest economy in the entire world:

    http://www.fiercepharma.com/special-reports/bayer-healthcare

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

    Iin 2013, the top selling pharmaceutical drug in America was a drug called Abilify, which is used to treat psychosis and depression. Sales were $1.6 billion. The #7 drug on the list was Cymbalta, which is used to treat depression and anxiety disorders. In my opinion, that means that there are an awful lot of people in this country who shouldn't own guns.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_selling_pharmaceutical_products

    Some of the people taking those drugs, of course, live in the State of Georgia. As you are probably aware, the House and Senate just passed legislation that would allow guns in bars, airports, houses of worship, government buildings and churches. In theory, the bill could still be vetoed by the governor. Since he is Republican with an "A" rating with the NRA, that probably won't happen.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/sarahjeanseman/2014/03/21/georgia-passes-sweeping-gun-bill-n1812711

    One of the provisions of the new bill should really give you pause:

    Including a provision that would have the state report those persons who have been involuntarily hospitalized or have been adjudicated mentally deficient to the NICS system while also providing an ability for relief through an application process to the court system for the purpose of restoration of rights.


    One thing is absolutely certain here.

    I am NEVER going to return to the State of Georgia for the rest of my life, but I may have to extend that ban to other states as well. As you may be aware, NRA's institute for Legislative Action has been active in other states as well:


    http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation.aspx
  • Democrat
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    I have often thought that for some reason, mental health has exploded with a variety of diagnostic problems. Medicine has evolved to the point of producing many drugs to treat these problems and is big business in a industry catering to our inability to control society and environment. So, for that reasoning because our society has become more complicated it produces more difficulty in reasoning how to escape to a normal life. Even a normal life is questioned, especially when a psychotic person is in control of your livelihood. It's no wonder their are many drugs for our kids, this world is getting too damn complicate and technical. I believe the mind has limits on what and how things can be processed.

    In May, a forthcoming month, is Mental Health Awareness month. It can be an opportunity for more people to become aware of the deployable conditions in America that helps citizens cope with mental conditions. If you or people you know have a friend or relative that suffers from mental health, than you will understand how these people are passed around like waste material because they may explode or be more of a handicap to those that should help them. The GOP and Congress, especially State legislatures, have reduced funding in mental health. Reducing funding contributes to patients being dumped to the streets and roads, and yes, that is a fact. Often, I will read in the media where a hospital makes a decision due to lack of funding, to release a mental patient and they will drop them off on street corner away from their property.

    Drugs for mental health is a big enterprise for pharmacies. So, in light of the concern on mental health, does it make sense to offer marijuana freely? I believe the medical world sees it differently. Marijuana may be a drug that helps specific people with their problems, but it also become a hazardous drug to those that should not be using it. Just like marijuana, alcohol as another drug should not be used by some people. Because our society has a desire to escape life's problems and become happy from using a drug, it contributes to more social problems.......and the drug companies want to rule in dispensing all our intake of drugs.

    I remember my Grandparents and their home remedies for all sorts of ailments, even mental issues. Those back-wood potions and liniments cured most anything and Doctors were far away, if required. Life seemed simpler back than with no distractions on media news, technological devices to reach around the world and even the toilet was simple.......a pot hole on top of a hole dug in the ground, called a "Out House". Just had to move it a few feet every couple of years, but it worked better than any toilet we have in the house today. There was lots of daily work to keep you busy from tending animals, fixing this-n-that, to having a ripe garden. So, why do we need all these drugs in our life, must be the way we live in a too complicated world. God, the farm and love abound ruled the day during those times and life sure seemed simpler than what it is today.

    Remember to take time and learn about Mental Health in May, forthcoming.
  • Center Left
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    AMC,
    You spoke of Marijuana and Alcohol. While I think they have about the same strength (Beer - Marijuana) the difference is that Alcohol is a depressant.
    The huge number of people who over drink "socially" are probably why we have so much depression in this country.

    That Guy,
    I recently watched Dallas Buyers Club and I thought it was a great movie. USA is so strong and rich and thankfully he found great help in Mexico which helped to keep him alive. If left to the options available in the US, he would have just been a statistic. I highly recommend this movie to anyone who hasn't yet seen it.
  • Democrat
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    Tony, They are both identified drugs to human body. A question for answer to the Pharmacy world, how long do you think it will take until someone tinkers with the legalized marijuana and laces it with some powerful hallucinogen for an super ultimate experience. Organized crime does this already. So, how long do you think it will take to see this marketed legally altering the natural essence of marijuana. Cigarette companies have been doing this for decades to the customers that buy their tobacco products. It's all drugs, so the old saying, "Let the buyer beware", is not about the protection of your investment, it's also about being careful what you may consume into your body.

    We have enough mental illness in America, we don't need to add to the numbers. Just think what a Meth dealer turned enterprising to market marijuana laced with meth and sold legally to the public. It sounds way too scary.

  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:


    Tony, They are both identified drugs to human body. A question for answer to the Pharmacy world, how long do you think it will take until someone tinkers with the legalized marijuana and laces it with some powerful hallucinogen for an super ultimate experience. Organized crime does this already. So, how long do you think it will take to see this marketed legally altering the natural essence of marijuana. Cigarette companies have been doing this for decades to the customers that buy their tobacco products. It's all drugs, so the old saying, "Let the buyer beware", is not about the protection of your investment, it's also about being careful what you may consume into your body.

    We have enough mental illness in America, we don't need to add to the numbers. Just think what a Meth dealer turned enterprising to market marijuana laced with meth and sold legally to the public. It sounds way too scary.

    To answer your question about how long till someone tinkers with legalized marijuana... About as long as it took someone to tinker with soda and put an illegal drug in it. And the result will be the same, they will be hit hard by the government and if they stop adding the illegal drug they will be allowed to continue making/selling their product (without the illegal drug).
  • Liberal
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    my parents cured any bouts of ADHD with a sandal upside the head