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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    The Pentagon just did spent 300 thousand dollars on interpretation of the body language of Mr. Putin. I as a taxpayer am totally surprised and mad.

    Whoever uses our tax money for such total nonsense should be terminated, or sued by the taxpayers etc. Please, are there still normal people around?
    Whatever you are going to do with that data? Shoot the guy? On the next visit by Kerry may be he thinks you can use that; if he crosses his legs, then Kerry looks under the table if it is his left or right leg; if left than it is WWIII.!! Are we slowly but surely the nation of nutheads? I do believe so.
  • Center Left
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    Charlotte, NC
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    Ridiculous... The sad past shows, nothing will be done. The story will come out, be under-minded by a couple laughs from the news caster, will bother everyone, and go away.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    We spend roughly 700 billion dollars a year on defense and it has to go somewhere. This study is hardly a drop in that bucket. Our military industrial complex has long spent millions upon millions of dollars on random studies and this one is nothing different. To be honest, I don't really mind them studying body language of world leaders. I'd much rather them spend our hard earned tax payer dollars on something like this than making more bombs. The money is already earmarked and has to go somewhere.

    Up and until we as a people demand serious cuts to our defense budget, we will continue to see these kinds of studies. And this one isn't even remotely close to some of the crazy studies our Pentagon has conducted. You want to see crazy?? Read the book "The Men Who Stare at Goats" and see how much our military has "invested" in psychological warfare studies over decades of research leading up to present day.
  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: We spend roughly 700 billion dollars a year on defense and it has to go somewhere. This study is hardly a drop in that bucket. Our military industrial complex has long spent millions upon millions of dollars on random studies and this one is nothing different. To be honest, I don't really mind them studying body language of world leaders. I'd much rather them spend our hard earned tax payer dollars on something like this than making more bombs. The money is already earmarked and has to go somewhere.

    Up and until we as a people demand serious cuts to our defense budget, we will continue to see these kinds of studies. And this one isn't even remotely close to some of the crazy studies our Pentagon has conducted. You want to see crazy?? Read the book "The Men Who Stare at Goats" and see how much our military has "invested" in psychological warfare studies over decades of research leading up to present day.
    "Jared" I've got a feeling that you don't care, because "the money has to go somewhere"; sorry if I would run my household that way, I would be standing on the Walmart parking lot with a sign "feed me please" In other words if we as taxpayers all think that way, no wonder only nutty things will be done with our tax money and no one blinks. STOP THE GOVERNMENT WASTE; we are paying for it and get nothing back for it.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    It has nothing to do with whether I care or not, but to reiterate my previous point--I think the DOD's budget is a tragedy and is one of many things that will slowly bleed our country dry if it continues unabated. I only stated the fact that the DOD has a budget and they can spend it in a way they see fit. A $300,000 study is hardly a drop in a 700,000,000,000 budget.

    I also pointed out that the DOD has long conducted studies regarding the behavior of human beings. These studies span multiple Presidential Administrations and are conducted regardless of which political party is in power. They have been going on long before I was born and will continue to go on for the foreseeable future.

    What one person considers waste another considers a huge value. Non verbal communication is upwards of 93% of all communication. The words that come out of our mouths are a small fraction of the full picture. It is important to study the body language of various political leaders, especially those as unpredictable as Putin.

    Every person can find something they disagree with in every budget, especially a budget for a country as large as the United States. You want to be up in arms about something? How about $100 billion we Americans spend on corporate welfare each year? How about $20 trillion (with a t) that American companies keep in off shore accounts to avoid paying a penny of tax? That is something we should be up in arms about, not a $300,000 study.

    You will not get an argument from me about the size of our total defense budget. I am a firm proponent of reigning in our defense budget, but this study is hardly something that we should be up in arms about. We should be up in arms about the way our DOD uses the threat of job losses in swing states as a way to ensure their bloated budget will continue unabated. Or the way they make sure that different parts of the same machine are made in twenty different states so they can ensure their footprint in as many places as possible. That, I will agree, is something that needs to change. A study that costs $300,000 is only a side show.
  • Other Party
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    You guys are both right. Dutch is mad that $300,000 was spent on Putin's body language. He's right, it is crazy to blow that much on something that stupid.

    Jared says it's not even a drop in the bucket. He's right, too. 300K is not enough to notice compared to their budget. But, 300K wasted is totally stupid.

    Wasted money is wasted money and we are right to be upset about it, because it's OUR money.

    I think both of you agree with me that the pentagon budget is too large, and should be cut. Just about everyone except Nancy Pelosi thinks the federal budget is too large, and should be cut. EVERYTHING should be cut. We are 17 Trillion in debt and FY 14 deficit is estimated at 649 billion, down from 1.4 trillion in 2009.

    Medicare/Medicaid 755 Billion
    Social Security 725 Billion
    Defense 700 Billion
    Non Defense 646 Billion
    Other 545 Billion

    This is from a CBO chart.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: You guys are both right. Dutch is mad that $300,000 was spent on Putin's body language. He's right, it is crazy to blow that much on something that stupid.

    Jared says it's not even a drop in the bucket. He's right, too. 300K is not enough to notice compared to their budget. But, 300K wasted is totally stupid.

    Wasted money is wasted money and we are right to be upset about it, because it's OUR money.

    I think both of you agree with me that the pentagon budget is too large, and should be cut. Just about everyone except Nancy Pelosi thinks the federal budget is too large, and should be cut. EVERYTHING should be cut. We are 17 Trillion in debt and FY 14 deficit is estimated at 649 billion, down from 1.4 trillion in 2009.

    Medicare/Medicaid 755 Billion
    Social Security 725 Billion
    Defense 700 Billion
    Non Defense 646 Billion
    Other 545 Billion

    This is from a CBO chart.
    "Jamesn" I guess "Jared" does not get my point; he uses the word "budget" which is stupid. I can tell my wife she has a budget of "x"; I'm sure she will spent it all. What is missing that a "budget" never should be a "target" ; if you run an industry that way you will never make money. So the solution is way more oversight and awards and medals for those departments which stay far under budget and still get the "job" done.

    The way the "government" abuses the "budget" system is ridiculous. ( In other words if you can do the job with a Chevy, why buy a Ferrari? (if it fits in the "budget")
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: "Jamesn" I guess "Jared" does not get my point; he uses the word "budget" which is stupid. I can tell my wife she has a budget of "x"; I'm sure she will spent it all. What is missing that a "budget" never should be a "target" ; if you run an industry that way you will never make money. So the solution is way more oversight and awards and medals for those departments which stay far under budget and still get the "job" done.

    The way the "government" abuses the "budget" system is ridiculous. ( In other words if you can do the job with a Chevy, why buy a Ferrari? (if it fits in the "budget")
    You can call my points stupid, but inform me where my points are not accurate. Comparing a budget that runs into the hundreds of billions to a budget run by a household is an argument that is not based in reality. I'm guessing that most households don't pay salaries, build bombs, occupy countries, operate military bases throughout the world, conduct peer reviewed studies, or wage war. Most households pay a mortgage or rent, buy groceries, and save up for a future vacation if they are able to.

    The Department of Defense is not in the business of making money. It is in charge of defending America. It operates off of the budget it is allotted and is not tasked with "making money." Now, if you want to have a discussion about the private military industrial complex that benefits greatly off of tax breaks and giveaways, then I have a feeling you and I would be on the same page. However, this argument is not about the private military industrial complex--it is about a study conducted by the Department of Defense.

    What more oversight are you calling for? We currently have the House and Senate Armed Services Committees that have broad oversight authority. One is overseen by the Republicans and the other is overseen by the Democrats. What specific oversight are you calling for that is not already being conducted?

    We agree that the DOD budget is bloated, but as I stated before, this study is hardly a drop in the bucket. I've also shown that our DOD has conducted numerous psychoanalytical studies throughout multiple decades, which I personally feel is a wise investment. I have already explained my thinking behind that, but I will reiterate it: 93 percent of all communication is nonverbal and it is important to understand body language as much as we possibly can. I personally believe a $300,000 study like this one will bring a far better return on investment than a $190 million gunship. However, that is only my personal opinion.
  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: "Jamesn" I guess "Jared" does not get my point; he uses the word "budget" which is stupid. I can tell my wife she has a budget of "x"; I'm sure she will spent it all. What is missing that a "budget" never should be a "target" ; if you run an industry that way you will never make money. So the solution is way more oversight and awards and medals for those departments which stay far under budget and still get the "job" done.

    The way the "government" abuses the "budget" system is ridiculous. ( In other words if you can do the job with a Chevy, why buy a Ferrari? (if it fits in the "budget")
    You can call my points stupid, but inform me where my points are not accurate. Comparing a budget that runs into the hundreds of billions to a budget run by a household is an argument that is not based in reality. I'm guessing that most households don't pay salaries, build bombs, occupy countries, operate military bases throughout the world, conduct peer reviewed studies, or wage war. Most households pay a mortgage or rent, buy groceries, and save up for a future vacation if they are able to.

    The Department of Defense is not in the business of making money. It is in charge of defending America. It operates off of the budget it is allotted and is not tasked with "making money." Now, if you want to have a discussion about the private military industrial complex that benefits greatly off of tax breaks and giveaways, then I have a feeling you and I would be on the same page. However, this argument is not about the private military industrial complex--it is about a study conducted by the Department of Defense.

    What more oversight are you calling for? We currently have the House and Senate Armed Services Committees that have broad oversight authority. One is overseen by the Republicans and the other is overseen by the Democrats. What specific oversight are you calling for that is not already being conducted?

    We agree that the DOD budget is bloated, but as I stated before, this study is hardly a drop in the bucket. I've also shown that our DOD has conducted numerous psychoanalytical studies throughout multiple decades, which I personally feel is a wise investment. I have already explained my thinking behind that, but I will reiterate it: 93 percent of all communication is nonverbal and it is important to understand body language as much as we possibly can. I personally believe a $300,000 study like this one will bring a far better return on investment than a $190 million gunship. However, that is only my personal opinion.
    I guess you are stuck into the same rut as the government; Why do you think we are broke and owe China? I did some Government contracting; this opened my eyes; you do not seem to realize that what ever money comes in is being spent; not to pay of debt or used for infrastructure or education. Instead it is spent on typical US "hobby" stuff like this thing, just because it will fit into the budget. I guess you accept all this crazyness; congratulations. Why do you think a toilet seat for the airforce cost $500.- ? Wake up and smell the corruption.
  • Democrat
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    I think the Government should have a needs list as well as a want list (wish), needing to know Putins body lanquage is just plain stupid, this falls into the category of the want list, just listen to what he says and watching what he does should answer any questions about his intentions, I know this is just one area of waste, but this is what goes on with a spend first mentality of the military, this entire area of the budget should be given the greatest scrutiny to prevent the wish list from becoming the needs list, same goes with all this discretionary spending by all of the Congressmen and women, this has got to stop. We are going broke and no one in this Congress seems to care .
  • Libertarian
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: We spend roughly 700 billion dollars a year on defense and it has to go somewhere. This study is hardly a drop in that bucket. Our military industrial complex has long spent millions upon millions of dollars on random studies and this one is nothing different. To be honest, I don't really mind them studying body language of world leaders. I'd much rather them spend our hard earned tax payer dollars on something like this than making more bombs. The money is already earmarked and has to go somewhere.

    Up and until we as a people demand serious cuts to our defense budget, we will continue to see these kinds of studies. And this one isn't even remotely close to some of the crazy studies our Pentagon has conducted. You want to see crazy?? Read the book "The Men Who Stare at Goats" and see how much our military has "invested" in psychological warfare studies over decades of research leading up to present day.
    I agree wholeheartedly with you! I honestly think the defense budget should be cut. I would prefer a more intellectual high tech military force oriented toward defense rather than cannon fodder used for imperial ambition.