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  • Independent
    Massachusetts
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    Through the years there have been things that many people have thought would be nice to
    get rid of. And they've tried to ban card-playing -- theater -- have instated and rescinded prohibition --
    they've writhed and rave religiously-emotionally to the writhing and raving of rock and roll performance --
    they've conducted a "defeat on drugs" for years -- legislated/criminalized prostitution -- and perhaps
    with a modicum more mentality than regarding other issues . . . . . advocated gun control.

    Unless draconian penalties (such as public burning or torture or amputation) would be imposed on
    violators of forbidden, good luck with the forbidding. And even with horrific consequences for this or
    that, history reveals that people will still engage in, conduct, commit to, consort with, and even
    espouse the forbidden even resulting in massacres of which they are significant massacrees of the
    opposing-side massacrerers.

    But there should not be "laissez-faire", legislation-less lenience in perhaps any human behaviors that
    can have seriously averse effects on others. This would include activities ranging from "deviant"
    sexuality (such as sadism) unto international finance (shafting the economic system for the greater
    erection of the investment industry's mega-shareholders and executives' millions and other bottom-lines
    (including those comprised of white powder).

    No sooner than we should allow a civilian to commute in a sherman tank should we allow public ownership
    of assault weapons. Or perhaps the next stage of Gun Lobby lunacy will be to up the ante of amendment
    guarantee for those who'd want to do target practice with rocket launchers? Even music is subject to
    some controls such as its volume within contexts or neighborhoods, etc. Card-control might involve some
    sort of constraint of those who would bankrupt themselves (or finance further fun with crime).

    There has to be some control of what otherwise could become chaos. Regarding sexuality, consider some
    world areas where even child sex ("or you prefer chicken or duck, sir?") is smorgasbord served for the very
    rich (and in a couple notorious cases clergy). Regarding shooting, consider so many parts of the Middle East).

    Child sexual exploitation is a realm apart from examinations of sexual permissions and parameters and
    premises -- yet depending where even in the US, age of consent in one state would be pedofilia in another.
    In NY City, late l800s, the age was 12. In other parts of the world biology is manifestation of consent:
    puberty. And, of course, through historical eras sexual "adulthood-consent" age has varied vastly. That
    l8 is "legal" (thus moral? normal?) is a judgemental construct, not a condition of the organism (or orgasmism)
    of concern. But in this case, l8 (or in a couple other states a couple years younger, I think) should be kept
    where it's at. (Though we know full well there are myriad "sex-offenders" despite the registry and life-long
    stigmatization thereof).

    And perhaps that's indicative of the gun situation. Enforce whatever prerequisites for ownership, constrain
    whatever types of the owned, still there will be owners who will be "projectile-perverts" and through the
    "ways and means" obtain whatever turns them on. And there will be among them the psychos who get it
    off not just by pulling the trigger, but by offing others -- even children!!!

    As for adult sexuality, it could be that our assumption of inherent monogamy, thus matrimony, is perversion.
    A perspective of nature reveals variety is not only the spread of genetic benefit, but the spice of life. More
    and more we discover (through DNA) that species once assumed to mate-for-life may associate in "marine
    or avian marital binary bliss" . . . but fool around on the side too!! Human sexual mores, especially for the
    "entitled" is blatant evidence that simply one-to-one sexuality "'til death do ye part"" has been not a biological
    manifestation -- rather a matter of economics. Rich enough, thus the ultra, the elite, you could have hundreds
    to screw. Yet even the "down-to-earth" of other cultures allow more than one wife. What is a remnant
    of polygamy in the Middle East is actually a cultural continuum of the Old Testament Jewish laws of "lie-with"
    lenience (including rather astounding incidences of incest, despite "thou shalt not lie with" declarations).

    If controlling guns would control guns I'd be all in favor. That various checks and waiting periods are required
    for automotive matters or insurance policies etc. exist, surely some equivalent would not be out of line prior
    to possession and operation of a municians-vehicle. The point to consider is not, as others have mentioned
    on this site, that people are killed by cars, yet we don't consider banning cars. For one thing, cars are really
    necessities. But to the point, if the school or theater or shopping center (or whatever venue) assaults and
    deaths were being caused by lunatics smashing cars into the premises . . . . . . . .

    Readers? Comments? Continuum of the . . . . . . . . . . . . above . . . .. ?
  • Democrat
    Philly, PA
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    alongcameaschneider Wrote:Unless draconian penalties (such as public burning or torture or amputation) would be imposed on
    violators of forbidden, good luck with the forbidding.
    Ususally swift and sure punishment for actual anti-social actions works. The modern US hug-a-thug criminal justice system is very effective punishing statutory crimes but very ineffective punishing malovent behavior against others. The jails and prisons are bursting at the seams with non-violent offenders serving mandatory minimums while thousands of violent and weapon offenders get ROR never to be seen again. If they are run through the revolving door, they plead on some scheme of rapid disposition with probation & expungement and released again, again and again to re-offend with cops and prosecutors never able to put multiple offender charges on them.

    alongcameaschneider Wrote:No sooner than we should allow a civilian to commute in a sherman tank should we allow public ownership of assault weapons.
    Well, what runs smooth in your mind hits some speedbumps in the real world.

    alongcameaschneider Wrote:Or perhaps the next stage of Gun Lobby lunacy will be to up the ante of amendment
    guarantee for those who'd want to do target practice with rocket launchers?
    Is there a push by the lunatic gun lobby to hold a Con-Con to redo the 2nd to include within is protection the possession and use of modern weapons of indiscriminate warfare, or is this just useless, pointless hyperbole? Your invented examples talking about how crazy gun "lunatics" are, only speaks to the fertility of your mind conjuring wild fantasies, not to any characteristic demonstrated by gun rights supporters.

    alongcameaschneider Wrote:There has to be some control of what otherwise could become chaos.
    And there are laws criminalizing the brandishing of a gun, threatening someone with a gun, shooting at someone without justification or killing someone without justification. Is it your feeling that the simple ownership of a firearm is a corrupting, self-destructive action like bankrupting yourself from gambling or even criminal action like disturbing the peace with a loud radio or or sexually abusing chilren or animals?

    alongcameaschneider Wrote:And perhaps that's indicative of the gun situation. Enforce whatever prerequisites for ownership, constrain whatever types of the owned, still there will be owners who will be "projectile-perverts" and through the "ways and means" obtain whatever turns them on. And there will be among them the psychos who get it off not just by pulling the trigger, but by offing others -- even children!!!
    Yup, I guess so . . . : (