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Prostitution & Porn Increases Human Trafficking

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  • Democrat
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    Some time has lapsed since last threading on Human Trafficking, which several responses advocated freedom in prostitution, even promoting legalizing the art of selling one's body. Continuing on the world forum is increasing opposition to legalizing this dehumanizing character of human behavior. Since last posting on this subject, it has given me much time to search and read a variety of resources. Additionally, as this Forum has last responded to this area, America has continued to arrest and convict traffickers and pimps, especially after the last Super Bowl. To continue keeping you updated, search Google/Bing on "Human Trafficking, 2014", which will give you the latest and greatest of resources in authorities prosecuting these sub-humans.

    A new book released, "Layla: How One Woman's Horrific Story Became The Driving Force To Save The Lost And Abused Living On America's Streets", is advertising now detailing that this 32 Billion/year industry is on the rise and is in all 50 States in America. Trafficking persons number 4.5 million and are sexually exploited with an estimated 50% of victims are children. This just reaffirms my beliefs that legalizing prostitution does nothing to stop human trafficking and abuse of humanity. I also located sources where other countries, such as Netherlands, since legalizing prostitution now sees that 80% of prostitutes are trafficked into the Netherlands, which this country sees less use of their own citizens getting into the business. Sexual diseases are statistically increasing with more cases of incurable varieties spreading around the world.

    Here's a great new link for studies and articles on both sides of the argument. It is vast, which the network is called, "World News". This link surpasses CNN, MSNBC and the hated Fox news. Try, www.wn.com and you will be impressed with the vast sources of intellectual and informing news around the world. However, I caution that this resource if very exhausting and can be similar to getting lost in a large library. Many subject areas can be used on all our other threads. Please though, review the areas in Human Trafficking, Human Rights, Prostitution, and whatever you want. Use the search bar on the top of www.wn.com to locate the various areas of inquiry. Also, that same search bar triggers a drop down link attempting to figure out and aid you in your search. Again, this is a great web link for news and scholarly studies.

    Here's some other books and articles I located opposing Prostitution and Human Trafficking and supporting Prostitution Promotes Human Trafficking:

    "Legal Prostitution Encourages Human Trafficking" from Law Journal for Social Justice may be located in http://ljsj.worldpress.com

    "Prostitution Should Not Be Legalized Because It Promotes Inequality and Human Trafficking", which may be located at the link
    www.lsureveille.com/opinion/columnists/



  • Independent
    Widefield, CO
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    So what would you have us do AMC? Prosecute all forms of prostitution (including that which is currently legal) and anything connected to it under human trafficking laws? Just to be clear, we are defining prostitution as exchanging money or something of financial value for sex, right?
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    Why should it be illegal to sell something that you can give away for free? In the areas of the U.S. where prostitution is legal it work just fine and has for quite a long time.

    The illegality of it is what brings in the violence and subjugation. Are we really going to through all this again?
  • Democrat
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    not me!!
  • Democrat
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    I assume Ranmo and Zach it hasn't hit close to home, yet to a friend, or family member. If it did, you would feel differently. It's just like Gun Violence, until you experience the horror and helplessness, you just haven't had a reality check on what is important to humanity. You live in a closet void of what's wrong with Dr. Feel-Good until you realize, Ow, that hurts! Than you start to understand, you should have stood for something that may have altered the pain you experienced. A sad tale is always told after pain has been suffered.

    Stay tuned........there's more to come. I just haven't been asleep, I've been navigating the vastness of the internet to show the opposition to legal prostitution, human trafficking and pornography. Yes, even legal prostitution is being questioned in most all countries. A new day may be emerging for the sanctity of humanity. God bless this opposition.
  • Center Left
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    Not me either.
  • Liberal
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    Good night!
  • Center Left
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: I assume Ranmo and Zach it hasn't hit close to home, yet to a friend, or family member. If it did, you would feel differently. It's just like Gun Violence, until you experience the horror and helplessness, you just haven't had a reality check on what is important to humanity. You live in a closet void of what's wrong with Dr. Feel-Good until you realize, Ow, that hurts! Than you start to understand, you should have stood for something that may have altered the pain you experienced. A sad tale is always told after pain has been suffered.

    Stay tuned........there's more to come. I just haven't been asleep, I've been navigating the vastness of the internet to show the opposition to legal prostitution, human trafficking and pornography. Yes, even legal prostitution is being questioned in most all countries. A new day may be emerging for the sanctity of humanity. God bless this opposition.
    Human trafficking is illegal and wrong. It violates the rights of other human beings. Same with violence. Neither which are comparable to prostitution. The human trafficking and violence come from the illegality of it. Same with prohibition in the the 1920's. The sale of alcohol isn't violent, but when there is a demand for an illegal good or service then violence is usually around.
  • Democrat
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    The problem with the legality of prostitution is that it promotes the abuse to children, women and men held in intimidating circumstances where they have no hope, no safe place, and nobody that cares for their freedom other than a continuous pursuit on their personal body for some ones greed and lust for flesh and selfish satisfaction. Nobody cares for the victim in prostitution.

    Here is 55 Little Known Facts about Human Trafficking.

    http://facts.randomhistory.com/human-trafficking-facts.html

    Or you may Google/Bing "Human Trafficking & Prostitution Facts"

    These links I am identifying are overwhelming opposed to your views of defending legalized prostitution. It is people that are making the surveillance, research and study, where nobody on this Blog even cares to accomplish. The people on responding on this thread only speak their opinions void of knowledgeable facts, but are satisfied with their views that dismiss the pain that legalize prostitution promotes.

    Here are articles on countries around the world that outlawing prostitution and changing laws from legalization to illegal activities compared to organized crime:

    www.humantrafficking.org/issues/19/updates

    You may also find this link by Google/Bing searching on "Prostitution & Human Trafficking"

    Another good read is "Prostitution and Human Trafficking: Focus on Clients", which may be found among many other books and articles at:

    www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/human-trafficking-prostitution


    This is your homework, please don't ignore the study..............there's a test in the future!
  • Center Left
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    No one, and I mean NO ONE is saying human trafficking should be legal. Everyone agrees with you here about human trafficking. You still haven't showed how legalized prostitution, like in Nevada, is violating anyone's rights or why it should be illegal.

    You keep saying that prostitution and human trafficking is one in the same, but you have failed to present any type of argument that supports that claim. You just keep using the two side by side like the terms are interchangeable. If prostitution was legalized worldwide then the vast majority of human trafficking cases would not revolve around the sex industry because there is no longer a black market for it (pedophilia would be the exception).

    You need to demonstrate how LEGALIZED prostitution violates the rights of anybody. How 2 consenting adults, exchanging these specific services for money violates the rights of anybody. And you need to understand that when you bring in human trafficking, then they are no longer 2 consenting adults. There is NO human trafficking in the legalized prostitution industry of Nevada. All the employees working are doing so on their own free will. They have the right to turn down any client. They are able to quit their job and move on to do what they want.

    All the stuff you have posted has had nothing to do with legalized prostitution. Please demonstrate this and then we will start taking these rants seriously
  • Center Left
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    Same point with porn. If all parties are willing and consenting. Why should it be illegal? If two people want to have sex and film it, what rights are being violated that would warrant legislation against it.
  • Liberal
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    Perhaps AF feels that prostitution is just another form of human trafficking. And, in many places of the world (including the USA) I'm sure it is but that also doesn't mean there are prostitutes that aren't "professionals" and don't enjoy their work either.

    It's a fine line, admittedly, between hunger and prostitution but there is a line. To condem sex trade work or equate it with human trafficking is just not accurate or honest.
  • Democrat
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    Zach, Your not doing your homework. You'll never be informed until you do your homework. There's tons of evidence where legalized prostitution promotes human trafficking and yes, Nevada included. Nevada is on record for passing the most severe penalty on human trafficking that supplements the prostitution industry. If you believe that organized crime is not involved with Nevada's legalized prostitution, your not doing your homework. I've gave you links and I'll provide additional links that provides the evidence you seek. However, it is easy for you to search on your own, but it appears you can't handle the TRUTH.

    Two sources for you try, if you DARE:

    "The Links between Prostitution & Sex Trafficking: A Briefing Handbook"

    A good book for increasing knowledge is by a victim in the sex industry: "Half the Sky", which is about Human Trafficking.

    Look up Nevada's Assembly Bill 380 signed by the Governor in 2009, establishing strict punishments of increasing child prostitution and pandering. So, why did Nevada see it important to push a new bill through their legislation? Because legalized prostitution was answer the public demand for child sex in their legalized industry. Yes, legalized prostitution does promote child prostitution and women abuse, even male children and men are impacted by this demonic, greedy, and selfish character of human need for sex. Don't even try to think you may persuade me to believe otherwise because there's too much evidence, if you would only survey and do your homework.


  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Zach, Your not doing your homework. You'll never be informed until you do your homework. There's tons of evidence where legalized prostitution promotes human trafficking and yes, Nevada included. Nevada is on record for passing the most severe penalty on human trafficking that supplements the prostitution industry. If you believe that organized crime is not involved with Nevada's legalized prostitution, your not doing your homework. I've gave you links and I'll provide additional links that provides the evidence you seek. However, it is easy for you to search on your own, but it appears you can't handle the TRUTH.

    Two sources for you try, if you DARE:

    "The Links between Prostitution & Sex Trafficking: A Briefing Handbook"

    A good book for increasing knowledge is by a victim in the sex industry: "Half the Sky", which is about Human Trafficking.

    Look up Nevada's Assembly Bill 380 signed by the Governor in 2009, establishing strict punishments of increasing child prostitution and pandering. So, why did Nevada see it important to push a new bill through their legislation? Because legalized prostitution was answer the public demand for child sex in their legalized industry. Yes, legalized prostitution does promote child prostitution and women abuse, even male children and men are impacted by this demonic, greedy, and selfish character of human need for sex. Don't even try to think you may persuade me to believe otherwise because there's too much evidence, if you would only survey and do your homework.


    Read the law, have you AMC? It applies to child prostitution only. The reason, because a child cannot give consent to engage in sex, therefore it is forced and a violation of their rights. It also provides for the forfeiture of "all assets derived from or relating to any violation of NRS 201.300 to 201.340" (bold mine) Which means even the Nevada government (your example now) has said there is NO LINK between human trafficking and legal prostitution. If there was a link then the 'cat houses' in Nevada would have been shut down by the Nevada government because their assets, according to you, are derived from an act relating to the violation of the NRS's listed in the Bill you provided. Since the Nevada government hasn't even TRIED to shut those businesses down in the 3+ years since the bill was signed into law, its obvious they disagree with you that the prostitution of legal consented adults is related to the illegal trafficking of children.

    As for your handbook showing the link... Lets look at the sources of the information. England and Sweden provide 4 of the first five sources for your earlier link to the same website. England and Sweden both have laws against prostitution, there is no legal prostitution in those countries. The 5th is from the Church of Scotland, a Christian organization, which has been against prostitution for a long time. (I will acknowledge that hasn't always been the case, because I know there are some that would point that out.) No government that says that an adult can consent to trading sex for money has drawn a link between Legal prostitution and Human Trafficking. Even the United Nations say that there is no proof of a link.

    I've addressed what you said, now do me a favor and answer my earlier questions. Would you have us prosecute all forms of prostitution (including that which is legal between consenting adults) and anything connected with it under human trafficking laws? Are we defining prostitution as exchanging money or something of financial value for sex?
  • Democrat
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    Runmo, your not doing adequate performance in your homework. If you had read my post, you would had seen I DID indicate Nevada's law was against child prostitution. Than I indicated a question as to why this was needed if child prostitution wasn't caused by legal prostitution in Nevada. The fact is that countries around the world (Nevada included) are finding evidence that customers in countries with legal prostitution seeking children for their sexual fantasies. You surely are reading only what you want to read and not knowledgeable of how to debate a subject. Your one-sided argument has no relationship with locating sources that say legal prostitution does not promote child and women abuse. I have given you and the other readers of this forum numerous examples, but you continue to say I haven't. I come to only one conclusion, you are not reading the ones I provide, since you have already made up your own simple mind. Ok, I get it, you like legal prostitution. You have the freedom in specific areas to give that to you. But nowhere, are you going to find credible evidence that greed, sickness, and selfish adult behavior does not take advantage of children and women caught in the web of the sex industry.

    So here's another one for you to ignore like you have been doing:

    "....children forced into prostitution, even where legal in states allowing prostitution. Children lured into prostitution by force and abduction."

    www.sunherald.com/2014/02/01/5304757/group-helps-human-trafficking.html


    More to come........I promise