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Do You Believe In Miracles ?

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    http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/story/mens-hockey-group-a-united-states-russia-prelims-sochi-games-021514

    Sports / Country topic - NOT RELIGION - even though the word miracles was used.

    Quoting the line from Al Michaels from the "Miracle on ice" early 80's Hockey win by USA over Russia.
    The USA beat Russia in a controversial shoot out victory in Hockey. What's great is that Russia wants to win Gold in Hockey more than anything.
    They still could. We could in fact face them again in these Olympics. Great controversial win by the US. Video tape showed bars all over America with some having over 1000 people watching in the middle of the night . It was a big sports moment.

    Other Olympic stuff...
    The Russians won Gold and Silver in a speed skating event last night..... what was strange was that the guy who won Gold was a very successful skater who used to skate for South Korea. The guy who won Silver was a successful skater who used to skate for The Ukraine. How much were they paid to move to Moscow and change their allegiance ? I doubt it was the water, the tourism, quality of cable television, or anything else. It seems like planned padding the stats to win more medals.

    Congrats to the Netherlands who once again are in the lead in medals.
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    Netherlands is to skating as Australia is to swimming: Not a big population compared to other nations but they dominate.
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    jamesn Wrote: Netherlands is to skating as Australia is to swimming: Not a big population compared to other nations but they dominate.
    As a lifelong swimmer, I take offense to that! USA whooped Australia in the 2012 Olympics with a medal count of 31 to 10. USA also took home 16 golds to Australia's one. In the sport of swimming, no one comes close to America!
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    Ahhh modern history and stats. It's time to be parochial as an Aussie. In long past times Australia was great at individual events in swimming particularly the stroke we call freestyle. Australia was so dominant that it was commonly known as the 'Australian crawl'. Let's put some facts to the stats.

    Generally accepted is that skill levels increase where there is significant competition. Soccer in the UK and Europe and of course South America are good examples. Soccer is the dominant sport, populations are large. Kids are born and land on a soccer ball not a midwife's hands.

    The USA has a population around 317 million (wiki 15 Feb 2014). Australia has a population around 23.4 million (projected by the Australian Bureau of Census and Statistics). Now add quite a few aliens in the USA from Mexico. the USAs population is 13.54 times larger than Australia. Jamesn is correct in the atrocious state of Australia swimming, particularly men's swimming at the 2012 Olympics. Significant government funded post mortems indicated a Stilnox party attitude with less than dedicated training and even worse a disastrous team environment, individuals over teams was the mantra.

    You need to take into account the general problem in Australia is that while we like our sporting stars we tend to want to knock over the tall poppies who get to the top. Most of Australia's top sports people simply cannot live in the spotlight of Australian media. I thought that would have changed when we gave the USA their new star citizen, Rupert Murdoch of News infamy.

    Further, apart from endorsements, there is no money in Australian Olympic sports. There are scholarships to institutes of sport but not many university sports scholarships. In baseball and particularly basketball our top performers head to the USA for colleges. The sports institute scholarships are only slightly better than social security of the unemployed. In Australia you are far better chasing glory in Rugby (two codes), Australian football, cricket or soccer, heck even surfing.

    What we excel at is being the underdog. Against all odds we somehow succeed - I confess - at times. The Americas sailing cup was an example in 1983. Our primary sporting mission in life is to beat the UK/England. If you read our national anthem you'll get a glimpse of our relationship around 1900. As wonderful as it is to beat England it is pure nirvana to beat the USA at anything. Despite throwing money at athletes and wonderful training facilities the USA are beatable. Sure I'll be long gone before Australia beats the USA at baseball and maybe a little earlier at basketball but occasional wins last us a long time.

    Forum members this was meant tongue in cheek. I've got a cousin (USA born citizen) in LA who's probably more Aussie than I. We aren't outwardly nationalistic, we can show patriotism but it makes a lot of us uncomfortable - hence we tend to look at 'victories' more in the sense of individuals rather than team results.

    Keep posting guys, I'm loving this site.

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    jared 31 to 10 is indeed a whoopin'...for them! Considering the population difference which Dave spoke of, they are very good. I would even say they are the most dominant swimmers in the world even though you as a swimmer may understandably have a different opinion!

    I always pull for the good ole USA, but am happy for other countries when they excel.

    I have a friend who's originally from Canada. The Canadians care so much more about hockey than the US does, that I am glad for them to win silver, right behind the USA of course. But if we can't win it, I hope Canada does.

    My main hope for these Olympic Games is for no successful terror attacks. So far, so good but a few more days to go.
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    Yes a country which fits on a postage stamp has just about more medals than the huge USA, and actually should have one more medal because of a .006 second difference because of a false start. Yes these olympics are going as planned, but will the US give the Russians credit for this show? I doubt it, even Obama did not show up or complimented the Russians or encourged our olympians from the sidelines.
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    I know it's supposed to be about the athletes but sadly nationalism always seems to creep into it, as I watch these individual athlete's perform I come away in awe of their superb talents and skill , how they get their bodies to do the things they do is not about nationalism but about individual's hard work and dedication to their sport and also of course a total commitment and focus on the goal of winning a Gold Medal, I congratulate all of these athletes not just the ones who make it to the podium. These games are truly The Greatest Show on Earth.
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    Russia lost 3-1 in hockey to Finland. I believe they are now out of medal contention. The two remaining favorites are USA and Canada. They may meet in the finals.
    This is a hard pill to swallow for Russia. Both Men and women's hockey teams are out. It's what they wanted the most. Maybe with the new spare time...... Putin can focus on fixing the Ukraine.

    USA won gold in pairs figure skating. That was a first. - Congratulations USA, continued controversy about judging. Canada (who won Silver) was Gold medal winner 4 years ago. It's been suggested that results may have been predetermined. USA was flawless.

    USA Hockey plays today at noon against Czech Republic.
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    Yep word was that the one gold medal that Putin wanted more than any other was mens hockey. Also lots of people were saying USA did NOT want to meet Russia again. Hopefully USA vs Canada in the finals.

    For Russia to lose on their home ice when they were favored...

    This is turning out to be a pretty good story but still nowhere near the 1980 miracle game when our college boys beat the USSR pros.
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    Agreed. The 1980 win was a win of a lifetime. I still remember watching that. It was amazing. Now our pros play their pros.
    USA hockey won today setting up our match versus Canada. I'm presuming that Canada won today but I've not heard any result.
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    USA lost to Canada today in the finals. They'll face Finland for the Bronze. Canada will face Sweden for the Gold/Silver game.
    I'm hoping (with more speed skating today) that the Netherlands can inch past the Russians in the medal count.
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    Bad news for USA, the wager was whoever looses the men's hockey match gets to keep "Beiber". That is bad for America.
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    http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/story/judging-controversy-no-surprise-in-figure-skating-022114?related=edcbb2c3-37c5-4242-9b71-ee4b41e065c2

    The USA lost in their game against Finland in an attempt to win the bronze medal in men's hockey. Russia has taken the lead in medals by two. Surprise surprise... the host country is leading the medal count. There was some controversy in women's figure skating. An obscure Russian skater won the gold medal over the reigning champion from S. Korea. Before the event the S. Korean and the USA judges were replaced, as were judges from the UK and Sweden. One of the replacement judges who is a women from Russia who is married to the director of figure skating in Russia. (now what were the odds of that happening) another of the replacement judges was from the Ukraine. Most judges were from eastern Europe. This lead to much complaining on twitter and a petition on change.org which is currently at 1.6 million signatures. The amount of activity on the site caused it to crash the other night. Many signatures were from S. Korea but many from elsewhere as well. Many are calling for an investigation but that will happen as soon as the Ukraine invades Russia.
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    Controversy in Olympic figure skating judging? Who would have guessed it?

    Let's see, there was Nancy Kerrigan vs Tanya Harding, the "Fragile French Judge", home country favoritism through the years, then this years judging "scandal" and what other Olympic event has had this much corruption?

    Maybe the Basketball final in 1972?