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Ted Cruz's US citizenship problem

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    i, for one, do not care about ted cruz's citizenship although it provides comedy from the standpoint of watching the rw fall all over themselves while trying to say he is a citizen. no, of more importance is his bat-shit crazy rigid ideology.

    and, btw, i have no problem with amending the constitution to allow citizens who are naturalized to become president. the time for all of this b.s has passed. a naturalized citizen may even be more patriotic than a natural born citizen or he may not. either way it is ridiculous. i might look at exceptions such as saying a person has to be naturalized for a set period of time thus a person couldn't become naturalized and then run immediately for president. just an idea.
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    lonely bird Wrote:
    jamesn Wrote: Reminds me of when GWB was up for re-election and one of the Baldwin boys (Alex?) said he'd move to France if he was re-elected.

    GWB was reelected and of course the Baldwin boy showed the world what a liar he was.
    much like the schmuck, ted nugent.
    Yeah, each side always has someone claiming to leave the country if the other side gets elected. My personal favorite were the people who said that they are leaving the country if the ACA passed, but all the countries they claimed that they would be fleeing to already had national healthcare.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Zach F Wrote: Ultimately, it is up for the courts to decide. No precedent has ever been set regarding this particular requirement of the Constitution and the courts have generally avoided making any kind of ruling in the past on the subject. It is unlikely that they will be forced to make a ruling on the subject since it is highly unlikely that Cruz has any chance of making it beyond the primary.

    Personally, I think Cruz is eligible to be President. If he wasn't legally required by law to go through a naturalization process, then I would consider that a natural born citizen.
    It is weird that the courts haven't ruled on this yet. I, too, think that Cruz is eligible, but I do get some joy in pointing out the right's blatant hypocrisy on the issue.

    One thing that will be interesting is when a U.S. Citizen who was born in the United States to undocumented immigrants, but moved back to their country of origin if their parents were deported, has a child themselves. According the law as it is currently written, that child will be a United States Citizen because its mother is. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if things that that are already happening.
    If you believe it, there are stories of Chinese women flying to the US and being put up in 'birthing spas' until they have a baby, get it citizenship, and go back to China. I have no proof of this, to be clear, and am not sure how much more US citizenship is worth than Chinese these days, to be honest.

    I'd prefer if Cruz just bow out, and the citizenship issue is as good as any. He is not presidential material.
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    Yes, birthing tourism is a problem that primarily rich Chinese are exploiting. But is it a BIG problem. I don't think so.

    NBC News: Born in the U.S.A.: Birth tourists get instant U.S. citizenship for their newborns
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    I personally don't see the issue with someone exploiting our Constitution to become a birthright citizen. The 14th Amendment is as clear as day when it comes to determining who is and isn't a United States citizen. If Republicans don't like the 14th Amendment then they should start a drive to repeal it. I wish them the best of luck with that.

    I also don't think it's nearly as big of an issue as some are making it out to be. How many rich, pregnant Chinese women are really coming into the United States just to give birth? I think this is much more of a problem of the Republicans making than something that is happening at out of control levels. They just need to be honest with themselves and admit that they just don't like the fact that children born to undocumented immigrants from Central and South America automatically receive birthright citizenship in America.
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    I actually know of more people born here of non-US citizens that decided to take the citizenship of their parents rather than the US when they became of age. I could never understand why at the time but now it seems like a sensible thing! My sister just applied for and received an Italian passport so she can retire in Europe if she pleases and she got it on the basis of our fathers' parents being born in Italy over 150 years ago!
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    pr Wrote: I actually know of more people born here of non-US citizens that decided to take the citizenship of their parents rather than the US when they became of age. I could never understand why at the time but now it seems like a sensible thing! My sister just applied for and received an Italian passport so she can retire in Europe if she pleases and she got it on the basis of our fathers' parents being born in Italy over 150 years ago!
    I'm not so sure I understand what you're saying, pr. Anyone born in America is an American citizen. Many countries allow American born citizens to have duel citizenship in the country of their parents origin without forcing them to disown their American citizenship.

    My girlfriend is a case in point. Her parents were born in Ireland and emigrated to the United States. She was born in the United States, but has duel citizenship because that's the way the laws work in Ireland, and in much of the EU.

    So someone deciding to take the citizenship of their parents is fine. They can legally do that in many countries throughout the world without disowning their American citizenship. However, if they want to disown their American citizenship then they can, but doing so is pretty damn stupid if you ask me.
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    No, children have the right to choose their own citizenship if both of their parents are not citizens. True they are automatically US citizens at birth but they have the right to reject that citizenship when they come of age and choose the citizenship of their birth parents.. I know several people born in the U.S. of Canadian or German parents that moved back to their parents place of birth and chose to not retain their US citizenship at age 18.

    Nothing stupid about rejecting American citizenship for many people. Not everyone in the world considers US citizenship a benefit, believe it or not.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    pr Wrote: I actually know of more people born here of non-US citizens that decided to take the citizenship of their parents rather than the US when they became of age. I could never understand why at the time but now it seems like a sensible thing! My sister just applied for and received an Italian passport so she can retire in Europe if she pleases and she got it on the basis of our fathers' parents being born in Italy over 150 years ago!
    I'm not so sure I understand what you're saying, pr. Anyone born in America is an American citizen. Many countries allow American born citizens to have duel citizenship in the country of their parents origin without forcing them to disown their American citizenship.

    My girlfriend is a case in point. Her parents were born in Ireland and emigrated to the United States. She was born in the United States, but has duel citizenship because that's the way the laws work in Ireland, and in much of the EU.

    So someone deciding to take the citizenship of their parents is fine. They can legally do that in many countries throughout the world without disowning their American citizenship. However, if they want to disown their American citizenship then they can, but doing so is pretty damn stupid if you ask me.
    Jared, correct; my daughter has both the Canadian and Dutch citizenship; so no problem. I'm the nuthead who's American so ISIS wants my head. Bad choice ( ha ha)
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    pr Wrote: I actually know of more people born here of non-US citizens that decided to take the citizenship of their parents rather than the US when they became of age. I could never understand why at the time but now it seems like a sensible thing! My sister just applied for and received an Italian passport so she can retire in Europe if she pleases and she got it on the basis of our fathers' parents being born in Italy over 150 years ago!
    I'm not so sure I understand what you're saying, pr. Anyone born in America is an American citizen. Many countries allow American born citizens to have duel citizenship in the country of their parents origin without forcing them to disown their American citizenship.

    My girlfriend is a case in point. Her parents were born in Ireland and emigrated to the United States. She was born in the United States, but has duel citizenship because that's the way the laws work in Ireland, and in much of the EU.

    So someone deciding to take the citizenship of their parents is fine. They can legally do that in many countries throughout the world without disowning their American citizenship. However, if they want to disown their American citizenship then they can, but doing so is pretty damn stupid if you ask me.
    One of my office-mates has triple citizenship: Columbia, Brazil, US. His father was Columbian, mother lived in Brazil and moved to Minnesota. He was not forced to choose, although his opinion is that if he had to pick, it would probably be the US citizenship, due to the power of protection it usually conveys. He traveled for business a lot between the US and Brazil, and presents his Brazilian passport when he enters Brazil, and his US passport when he enters the US, and never needs a Visa. He did mention something I hadn't thought of: If he were to get in trouble with the Brazilian police, he would have a much harder time fleeing to the States, since as a Brazilian citizen, the Embassy wouldn't necessarily exert pressure on Brazil to let him leave, or stick their neck out for him.

    I read your post pr and (no offense) I was a bit stunned. It is the same thing I hear a lot of older conservatives say, haha. The countries are different of course, usually Australia, Costa Rica, Belize, or New Zealand. It is interesting to know that the sentiment of the worth of a US citizenship and emigrating to other countries to get out of the US is on both sides.