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Ted Cruz's US citizenship problem

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    NO one should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon anywhere!
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    Fortunately your opinion is of the minority although equally important, unless you mean we should be allowed to open carry everywhere, then I would be in total agreement with you.
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    Thanks johnnycee...

    Yes, the bureaucrats administering the various processes for passports, visas, US birth certificates, concealed gun permits, etc. do not have a lot of discretion to unilaterally override procedures and required documents...even for a US Senator.

    All I can say in Ted Cruz's case is that the form and process to renounce his Canadian citizenship is straight forward and easy. I looked at the form online myself. Any person with minimal education can fill it out. Yet Ted Cruz, a Harvard graduate with a degree in law, has to hire lawyers to fill out and submit a f**kin form that any school kid could fill out.

    And this Harvard lawyer shows off his Alberta, Canada birth certificate to the whole world as proof that he is a US citizen? Well the media might have bought it but I don't...not until he shows me his real US birth certificate...the Consular Report of Birth Abroad.

    Call me a birther if you like. Ted Cruz's case is not comparable in any way to President Obama's.

    We can cite the Constitution as his right to US citizenship and I don't deny that. But the Constitution also gives us the right to vote; however, unless you do the paperwork to register to vote, there isn't a state in the union that will allow you to vote....well maybe a provisional ballot that will later be denied.
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    johnnycee Wrote: Fortunately your opinion is of the minority although equally important, unless you mean we should be allowed to open carry everywhere, then I would be in total agreement with you.
    I don't expect most people to agree with me - only the enlightened ones!
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    I probably should not have used the word "illegal" above. The appropriate word, perhaps, is "undocumented worker."
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    The problem with Ted Cruz is he likes "green eggs and ham" toooooo mucccch! It must be a Canadian thing......ehhh!
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    When Teddie becomes pres is the day I move to Canada,
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    Reminds me of when GWB was up for re-election and one of the Baldwin boys (Alex?) said he'd move to France if he was re-elected.

    GWB was reelected and of course the Baldwin boy showed the world what a liar he was.
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    Schmidt, I try not get into what you refer to as Birther issues because it will overshadow any real concerns about a candidate, we went thru this with Obama , and I must admit that I myself stoke those fires on forums such as this one , but lets stick to the reasons why Ted Cruz is or isn't a viable candidate for a presidential nomination, I mean after all he is a current sitting U.S. Senator.
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    To think Ted Cruz is one of those birther's that say President Obama was not born in the United States.
    I am a Resident alien myself born in England and not even allowed to vote let alone be a member of the Senate or Congress maybe I should run for Congress we need some proper minded people there that care about the American public instead of big business.
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    I'm sorry, but the Austrian borne Schwarzenagger is first to be candidate for Presidential Office. Doesn't he recant often, "I'll be BAAACK".
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    This issue will likely come up a lot. Schmidt brings up some excellent points. Here is what we know for sure.

    1. Ted Cruz was born in Canada
    2. Ted Cruz is a U.S. Citizen.
    3. Ted Cruz's mother was a U.S. Citizen when Ted Cruz was born. (Eleanor Wilson was born in Delaware)
    4. By law, citizenship is extended to Cruz when he was born and he therefore doesn't have to go through a naturalization process. (Section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act)

    The question that needs to be answered is that does fact number 4 meet the requirement of a "natural born citizen" as is described in the Constitution.

    Ultimately, it is up for the courts to decide. No precedent has ever been set regarding this particular requirement of the Constitution and the courts have generally avoided making any kind of ruling in the past on the subject. It is unlikely that they will be forced to make a ruling on the subject since it is highly unlikely that Cruz has any chance of making it beyond the primary.

    Personally, I think Cruz is eligible to be President. If he wasn't legally required by law to go through a naturalization process, then I would consider that a natural born citizen.


    Here is where the funny hypocrisy comes in regarding the right. Hypothetically speaking, let's say that the "Birthers" are correct and Barack Obama was born in Kenya. (He wasn't, but for the sake of argument let's say that he was.) Then Obama would still be just as eligible as Cruz for the Presidency. Obama's mother was born in Kansas, and she was a U.S. citizen at the time of Obama's birth. So, even if the 'birthers' are correct (they still aren't) it's the EXACT same situation as Cruz, the only difference is the countries.

    Oddly enough, Donald Trump is consistent on this issue and says that Cruz is ineligible.
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    Zach F Wrote: This issue will likely come up a lot. Schmidt brings up some excellent points. Here is what we know for sure.

    1. Ted Cruz was born in Canada
    2. Ted Cruz is a U.S. Citizen.
    3. Ted Cruz's mother was a U.S. Citizen when Ted Cruz was born. (Eleanor Wilson was born in Delaware)
    4. By law, citizenship is extended to Cruz when he was born and he therefore doesn't have to go through a naturalization process. (Section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act)

    The question that needs to be answered is that does fact number 4 meet the requirement of a "natural born citizen" as is described in the Constitution.

    Ultimately, it is up for the courts to decide. No precedent has ever been set regarding this particular requirement of the Constitution and the courts have generally avoided making any kind of ruling in the past on the subject. It is unlikely that they will be forced to make a ruling on the subject since it is highly unlikely that Cruz has any chance of making it beyond the primary.

    Personally, I think Cruz is eligible to be President. If he wasn't legally required by law to go through a naturalization process, then I would consider that a natural born citizen.


    Here is where the funny hypocrisy comes in regarding the right. Hypothetically speaking, let's say that the "Birthers" are correct and Barack Obama was born in Kenya. (He wasn't, but for the sake of argument let's say that he was.) Then Obama would still be just as eligible as Cruz for the Presidency. Obama's mother was born in Kansas, and she was a U.S. citizen at the time of Obama's birth. So, even if the 'birthers' are correct (they still aren't) it's the EXACT same situation as Cruz, the only difference is the countries.

    Oddly enough, Donald Trump is consistent on this issue and says that Cruz is ineligible.
    Your last line about Trump; this is not "odd" ; if Trump wants to run, then of course he wants him out. That is how it works.
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    Zach F Wrote: Ultimately, it is up for the courts to decide. No precedent has ever been set regarding this particular requirement of the Constitution and the courts have generally avoided making any kind of ruling in the past on the subject. It is unlikely that they will be forced to make a ruling on the subject since it is highly unlikely that Cruz has any chance of making it beyond the primary.

    Personally, I think Cruz is eligible to be President. If he wasn't legally required by law to go through a naturalization process, then I would consider that a natural born citizen.
    It is weird that the courts haven't ruled on this yet. I, too, think that Cruz is eligible, but I do get some joy in pointing out the right's blatant hypocrisy on the issue.

    One thing that will be interesting is when a U.S. Citizen who was born in the United States to undocumented immigrants, but moved back to their country of origin if their parents were deported, has a child themselves. According the law as it is currently written, that child will be a United States Citizen because its mother is. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if things that that are already happening.
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    jamesn Wrote: Reminds me of when GWB was up for re-election and one of the Baldwin boys (Alex?) said he'd move to France if he was re-elected.

    GWB was reelected and of course the Baldwin boy showed the world what a liar he was.
    much like the schmuck, ted nugent.