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R.E.S.P.E.C.T. or else.

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  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
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    http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/closing-arguments-start-in-loud-music-death-trial

    Closing statements televised (now) on CNN/Head Line News, for a man in Florida who didn't like the loud music from another vehicle at a convenience store. He felt disrespected by one of the teenagers in the car so he shot 10 times. 9 hit the victim's vehicle. One young man was killed. The shooter drove away.
    Would it surprise you that a difference in race was involved. Too much anger and hatred these days. Yes we've all been annoyed by someone's loud music, but while at the convenience store for wine and chips...... try not to kill anyone. It will probably screw up your vacation plans this year.
    Oh yea, the 4 teens were unarmed. Shooter never called 911.
  • Liberal
    Other Party
    Llos Angeles, CA
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    That's the craziest thing I've ever heard of......But its Florida...there's no explaining florida. My folks live there
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    The cop who testified yesterday..... the one who was a ballistic expert, said this gun takes 6.25 lbs of force to engage a bullet into the chamber. This amount of force was done 10 times in a row. And the guy claims it was self defense. He said he believed a guy in the back seat had a shotgun. Later he admitted it could have been a stick. No weapon was found. I say, there was no weapon. Because if there was one..... you would have been shot. Jury equals 4 white women, 4 white men, 1 Asian women, 2 black women, 1 Hispanic women. Victim = 17 yr old black man/boy, shooter = 47 yr old white man. Hmmmmmm

    The THUG music Murder trial is a title on HLN
  • Liberal
    Other Party
    Llos Angeles, CA
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    guilty
  • Liberal
    Independent
    Durham, NH
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    Guilty but acquitted more likely. This is Florida after all!
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Nah he'll be (or should be) found guilty and rightfully so.

    Who does he think he is? George Zimmerman? OJ Simpson?

    OK since those guys got away with it, maybe this guy will, too. Who has the best lawyers, THAT is usually the deciding factor.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    pr Wrote: Guilty but acquitted more likely. This is Florida after all!
    Now I know why all those Northern crooks come here!!!
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
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    Not convicted of Murder (hung jury). Florida says it will retry that count. This has brought continued attention to GZ. He's the poster boy for race murders.
    Expected sentence of 3 counts is 60 years. A life sentence for someone 47 years old unless he can file for early release in 10 years.
    You just never know.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Let's change this court around perceiving the possibility of a Black American kid shoots a Old Guy (Like Dunn), kills him and the trail is on the same murder verses "Stand-Your-Ground Law". Do you think the same verdict would be given. The old guy was threatening the kid with bodily injuries, which evidence collected massive injuries inflicted on the kid. Does the kid have the right to shoot and possibly kill the attacker to save his life?

    If you think the verdict would be the same in racist Florida, you are truly optimistic.

    The stand-your ground law needs to be rewritten. The law is not being observed for the safety of mankind.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    The judge could very easily decree the sentences be served concurrently - he could be out in a few years!
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Exactly why they should retry him for murder, even though it may seem like a waste of time and money.

    Always get the most convictions on the most counts, when you REALLY want to be sure to put someone away to stay. You never know when a verdict will be thrown out due to a technicality.
  • Liberal Democrat
    Democrat
    Colorado Springs, CO
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    As I understand it, the three guilty counts of attempted murder were in relation to the other car occupants. But for Jordan Davis, the 17 year old black teenager that was actually killed, the jury could not reach a verdict of any kind...not 1st degree murder, not second degree murder, and not manslaughter because (and this is speculation on some of the TV pundits' parts) that they had "reasonable doubt" about the possible or imagined weapon in the victim's hands or car as a part of the defense case. In other words, the "stand your ground law" was applied against the victim, Jordan Davis, but not the others in the car. Michael Dunn, the shooter will ask for an appeal of the other convictions.

    That's the way I understood it...but that's second hand speculation. I guess we'll know more if and when the jurors choose to talk.
  • Independent
    Widefield, CO
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    This may surprise many people, but I don't agree with the Stand-your-ground laws as they currently exist. I think that in order for it to apply you must try to avoid the situation (by trying to leave the area)and attempt to contact 911 (most people now a days have cell phones. And I just had a part of Little Rascals pop into my head... "Quick, what's the number for nine-one-one?") and if the person follows you then it should apply. I also think you should have to actually see the weapon for it to apply, no "I though I saw a shotgun" but actually saw it. At a gas station there should be no way to mistake a shotgun with a stick, every gas station I've been to (and as a former truck driver I've been to some pretty poor ones) has adequate lighting. The flip side is that I am a firm supporter of Make My Day laws (Also known as the Castle Doctrine)