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House Republican Report Blows Their Own Benghazi Narrative Apart

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  • jamesn
    2014-02-15 06:52:52 PM
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    Tony is right on the mark, this WILL be used by the Republicans, especially if HRC is the Democratic nominee.

    Look at how johnny and jared went back and forth debating the details and who "won"? Nobody. Neither changed the mind of the other and that's the bottom line. Whether or not there is any legitimate blame to be assessed to HRC or the administration is secondary, the real story is that the Benghazi story exists and can and will be used. It is an issue that won't go away as long as HRC is a threat to be the nominee.

    This story is NOT going away.
  • Schmidt
    2014-02-15 08:32:36 PM
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    Yes, I agree with james in that the story will not go away...that facts don't matter.

    People believe what they want to believe, and here's another poll result: 55 percent of Republicans believe President Obama was not born in the USA. Why do they believe that? For the same reason they believe the crap put out by Fox News and Republicans on Benghazi and the IRS and Fast and Furious and ACORN and ...anything that hurts Obama.

    And now Hillary...same ole...same ole....it won't go away as long as Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and other right wing media are feeding their base a line of BS.

    People believe what they want to believe!
  • jaredsxtn
    2014-02-15 08:59:00 PM
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    I just don't see it, especially with the last round of non-partisan polling done by Pew and other organizations. Those on the right will always find scandal with everything that happens in this administration, and that is their right to believe whatever crazy stuff they want to. I look at non-partisan polling data, not loaded Fox News polls. Multiple non-partisan polls say this is a non-issue to the vast majority of independents and liberals. Fox News and the right will do what Fox News and the right do. It obviously didn't work in 2008 and 2012, so I'm just not that worried about them having nearly as much influence as they are often given credit for.

    Look--those on the right will not vote for any Democrat. It doesn't matter who runs. I'm not worried about them. Independents are just not that interested in believing that this is a genuine scandal. If you don't have independents believing that it is, then it is not a scandal. If it's not a scandal, then it won't be an issue in the 2016 election. And it definitely won't be an election issue if Hillary isn't the nominee. And as I stated in an earlier post--she was a shoe in back in '08. How did that one turn out for her? There are plenty of liberals that do not want her to win the nomination, myself included. With that said, I will stick up for her with all of my might against the ignorant attacks lobbied at her and our President that are based on nothing but "feelings."
  • TJ
    2014-02-15 09:13:27 PM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: I just don't see it, especially with the last round of non-partisan polling done by Pew and other organizations. Those on the right will always find scandal with everything that happens in this administration, and that is their right to believe whatever crazy stuff they want to. I look at non-partisan polling data, not Fox News polls. Multiple non-partisan polls say this is a non-issue to the vast majority of independents and liberals. Fox News and the right will do what Fox News and the right do. It obviously didn't work in 2008 and 2012, so I'm just not that worried about them having nearly as much influence as they are often given credit for.

    Look--those on the right will not vote for any Democrat. It doesn't matter who runs. I'm not worried about them. Independents are just not that interested in believing that this is a genuine scandal. If you don't have independents believing that it is, then it is not a scandal. If it's not a scandal, then it won't be an issue in the 2016 election. And it definitely won't be an election if Hillary isn't the nominee. And as I stated in a post earlier--she was a shoe in back in '08. There are plenty of liberals that do not want to win the nomination, myself included. With that said, I will stick up for her with all of my might against ignorant attacks against her based on nothing but "feelings."
    Jared,
    Do you know what a poll says ? Whatever the people who paid to have the poll done wants it to say. The facts are lost in the sauce. It's like you said/implied, 80% of the people already know what they think. Almost nothing will change that. Dems will vote for theirs and Rep. will vote for theirs. Independents are a major deciding factor. That and young voters. Once in a generation a candidate will take votes from the other side. I think Reagan did that because America was in a bad place and we needed to feel proud of the country again.
  • jaredsxtn
    2014-02-15 09:33:13 PM
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    You get no argument from me there, Tony. Non-partisan polling firms develop questions that are exactly that--non-partisan. Pew Research Center can hardly be called a partisan organization. Gallup and Zogby are another couple decent ones, but Gallup has had their troubles here and there. It is the same on the left--I do not pay much attention to polling done by MSNBC or the New York Times. And I fully agree about Reagan. The same can be said about Obama in '08. It didn't matter if the Republicans put forward Reagan reincarnate. No Republican was going to win in '08.
  • Schmidt
    2014-02-16 12:08:44 AM
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    I didn't want to make this just about polls. The poll I cited was 2012, and there were others from 2010 to 2012 that varied in percentages of whether Obama was a secret Muslim and born overseas. Now I haven't seen any recent polls on the issue about Obama, but is that because Fox News and Rush Limbaugh are not pushing that narrative as much? What Fox News pushes becomes the narrative in MSNBC but for different reasons...and the pollsters are not far behind. The opinion polls are more an indiction of what the media is pushing than any kind of reality. If Fox News were to suddenly start the "Obama is a Muslim" agenda again, the opinion polls would follow suit.

    Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and others are now pushing the Benghazi false narrative in earnest only because it reflects on Hillary. Whatever opinion polls you look at, Hillary's ratings have dropped, and most pollsters attribute this to Benghazi coverage. Will it be a killer for Hillary? No. But anything that drags her down a notch will be kept in the limelight now...or in their hip pockets for use later.

    Now they are bringing up Bill's affair with Monika again. If it drags her down another notch they'll keep doing it. Whatever works. Maybe they'll back off a bit, but when it comes to the final stretch, they will have already gauged what works more and what works less with the public...and they'll be going all out with whatever works down the stretch. It will be all negative, all the time.
  • TJ
    2014-02-16 01:12:39 AM
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    Schmidt,
    I didn't want to imply that polls are bad or wrong just that they can be.....if the motivations are skewed.
  • pr
    2014-02-16 05:44:10 AM
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    Most polls are designed to "prove" a point, not enlighten people. Your typical pollster first decides on the outcome and then designs the poll to fit. True there are a few that don't but there are few and far between and... How is the typical citizen supposed to know which polls are accurate and which are skewed?

    Most people get their "facts" from whatever source validates their beliefs. That's why 55% of old, white Republican voters believe Obama as not born in the USA or is a Muslim or Socialist, or whatever the right wing pundits are accusing him of being today.
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