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    Republican "termites" are looting our economy (for decades): USA now Bankrupt

    PRIME EXAMPLE of the Republican Party's Public Servants: Chris Christie, Governor of New Jersey

    If you think Chris Christie is a "mafia" type, with dictator tendencies, then multiply that 900 times, and you will get a grasp of the tyrannical power now being exerted in Washington, DC. It's basically OVER, Folks!! The GOP has subverted our Democratic Govt & taken over by stealth, wealth, & sabotage. The eternal "echo" chamber of Right-Wing propaganda on the airwaves 24/7 (for 29 years) has left 1/2 of our population nothing but mindless puppets of Rush Limbo (aka "ditto-heads)."

    Our Economy once was able to dominate the world. Now we are nothing but an empty shell, with a crumbling infrastructure, failing banks, a huge military that can't afford the gasoline to put into the planes & jeeps & battleships. Thanks to the GOP and their corrupt influence on the stock market & corporate policies, not to mention overt "looting" of our taxpayer funds out of Medicare & many other govt agencies that were intended to help the less wealthy sector of our society.

    ALL of these GOP actions are treasonous & s/b actionable in our Federal Legal System. (Emphasis on Should Be). Since the termites & worms of subversion have managed to slime their way into the top levels of our govt, including financial & legal depts, they have put our U.S. finances into such turmoil that it just can't be undone.

    Meanwhile, almost secretly, the GOP have been working (for years) to steal funds from state govts & city govts, to leave the Medicaid funds and the State level subsidies (Food Stamps, legal assistance, rent assistance, etc) almost totally bankrupt. Whenever this happens, it is always a Republican who did it. They are usually not caught, due to "magic" bookkeeping. Like when Chris Christie kept back the Hurricane Funds from the real victims, but managed to fork out $3 million or more for his "pals" who built a condominium in a part of town that was not even damaged. BUT when they're caught, NOTHING is ever done about it. They may lose their job, but NEVER go to jail, or have to "pay it back."

    It is endemic, in one town I know of, they frequently "loot" the federal housing agency of millions of dollars & are seldom caught, but when they DO get caught, nothing is done to them. It is just a "free pass" since they have the city ringed with Republican lawyers, judges, & Governors, & high officials in the Police Dept. They have even "looted" the DMV (Dept of Motor Vehicles) a few times. Believe me, Christie is NOT the only one. Many years ago, I heard that GOP was doing everything possible to put Republican Governors in EVERY STATE, & I wondered why.

    Watching this "bridge" situation in New Jersey, should give us a clue how they operate. They have ultimate power, able to create false jobs for their cronies, mishandle state budgets, hold back legitimate funding, while "giving away" funding to their groupies, for non-essential projects. It is an outrage to decent humanity. People are still homeless due to Hurricane Sandy, & the Governor is using those Relief Funds to build condo's in areas where there was no damage. FOR PROFIT, to give housing to more wealthy people. This was basically, (besides being totally immoral), a THEFT of govt Funds, provided by WE the Taxpayers to assist our fellow man when in terrible need. WE PAID FOR IT, and we should be shocked when a public servant (like the NJ Governor) STEALS that money for corrupt purposes.

    But sadly, this is endemic, we now have so many Republicans in positions of power, & ability to loot or mis-use public funds, that our nation is basically bankrupt. (NO LIE). Wake Up -- the US is Bankrupt. Why do you think we have to "borrow" so much money from Communist China?

    HINT: (Rich people who have money, don't need to borrow). Most of our debt is from waging stupid useless wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. (The Bush Legacy). HE got rich off of all his investments in Halliburton, Weapons & Military stocks, OIL wells in foreign nations, etc). Also, he never went to jail for all his "war crimes" from invading a nation that never threatened or attacked us, and did NOT have any WMD. (Not to mention killing their chosen leader). Since BushCo are SO WEALTHY, & have avoided any Jail Time, then WHY don't we ask them to make a "donation" of several Million Dollars a Month, to help pay back the Govt that gave his family so much opportunity and privilege, & sent our boys to war to be killed & crippled, on his behalf? HE OWES US --- Big Time. -------(I AM SERIOUS, we should make Bush & GOP pay it back).
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    eternal flame Wrote: Republican "termites" are looting our economy (for decades): USA now Bankrupt

    PRIME EXAMPLE of the Republican Party's Public Servants: Chris Christie, Governor of New Jersey

    If you think Chris Christie is a "mafia" type, with dictator tendencies, then multiply that 900 times, and you will get a grasp of the tyrannical power now being exerted in Washington, DC. It's basically OVER, Folks!! The GOP has subverted our Democratic Govt & taken over by stealth, wealth, & sabotage. The eternal "echo" chamber of Right-Wing propaganda on the airwaves 24/7 (for 29 years) has left 1/2 of our population nothing but mindless puppets of Rush Limbo (aka "ditto-heads)."

    Our Economy once was able to dominate the world. Now we are nothing but an empty shell, with a crumbling infrastructure, failing banks, a huge military that can't afford the gasoline to put into the planes & jeeps & battleships. Thanks to the GOP and their corrupt influence on the stock market & corporate policies, not to mention overt "looting" of our taxpayer funds out of Medicare & many other govt agencies that were intended to help the less wealthy sector of our society.

    ALL of these GOP actions are treasonous & s/b actionable in our Federal Legal System. (Emphasis on Should Be). Since the termites & worms of subversion have managed to slime their way into the top levels of our govt, including financial & legal depts, they have put our U.S. finances into such turmoil that it just can't be undone.

    Meanwhile, almost secretly, the GOP have been working (for years) to steal funds from state govts & city govts, to leave the Medicaid funds and the State level subsidies (Food Stamps, legal assistance, rent assistance, etc) almost totally bankrupt. Whenever this happens, it is always a Republican who did it. They are usually not caught, due to "magic" bookkeeping. Like when Chris Christie kept back the Hurricane Funds from the real victims, but managed to fork out $3 million or more for his "pals" who built a condominium in a part of town that was not even damaged. BUT when they're caught, NOTHING is ever done about it. They may lose their job, but NEVER go to jail, or have to "pay it back."

    It is endemic, in one town I know of, they frequently "loot" the federal housing agency of millions of dollars & are seldom caught, but when they DO get caught, nothing is done to them. It is just a "free pass" since they have the city ringed with Republican lawyers, judges, & Governors, & high officials in the Police Dept. They have even "looted" the DMV (Dept of Motor Vehicles) a few times. Believe me, Christie is NOT the only one. Many years ago, I heard that GOP was doing everything possible to put Republican Governors in EVERY STATE, & I wondered why.

    Watching this "bridge" situation in New Jersey, should give us a clue how they operate. They have ultimate power, able to create false jobs for their cronies, mishandle state budgets, hold back legitimate funding, while "giving away" funding to their groupies, for non-essential projects. It is an outrage to decent humanity. People are still homeless due to Hurricane Sandy, & the Governor is using those Relief Funds to build condo's in areas where there was no damage. FOR PROFIT, to give housing to more wealthy people. This was basically, (besides being totally immoral), a THEFT of govt Funds, provided by WE the Taxpayers to assist our fellow man when in terrible need. WE PAID FOR IT, and we should be shocked when a public servant (like the NJ Governor) STEALS that money for corrupt purposes.

    But sadly, this is endemic, we now have so many Republicans in positions of power, & ability to loot or mis-use public funds, that our nation is basically bankrupt. (NO LIE). Wake Up -- the US is Bankrupt. Why do you think we have to "borrow" so much money from Communist China?

    HINT: (Rich people who have money, don't need to borrow). Most of our debt is from waging stupid useless wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. (The Bush Legacy). HE got rich off of all his investments in Halliburton, Weapons & Military stocks, OIL wells in foreign nations, etc). Also, he never went to jail for all his "war crimes" from invading a nation that never threatened or attacked us, and did NOT have any WMD. (Not to mention killing their chosen leader). Since BushCo are SO WEALTHY, & have avoided any Jail Time, then WHY don't we ask them to make a "donation" of several Million Dollars a Month, to help pay back the Govt that gave his family so much opportunity and privilege, & sent our boys to war to be killed & crippled, on his behalf? HE OWES US --- Big Time. -------(I AM SERIOUS, we should make Bush & GOP pay it back).
    And yet the Democrats do the same things (Nancy Pilosi swore she wouldn't make special exceptions in house bills and no more pork belly spending and look what she did with the increase in minimum wage and the exceptions there for the fishing industries in her areas. Bet she got kick backs and has investments in those industries). 'Chosen leader' implies elections. Saddam was never elected, in fact he inherited the office and kept it using military force. Also look into the UN resolutions regarding Iraq for your claims that the 'did NOT have any WMD'... Also look into UN Resolution 1441 before claiming it was illegal and a war crime. Also, I notice you don't point out Saddam was a war criminal (he invaded Kuwait if you will remember) Afghanistan did attack us. Afghanistan was under Taliban control before we went in. The Taliban ruled Afghanistan on September 11, 2001 so yes, they did attack us. When you say 'did NOT have any WMD' do you mean ever or just when we arrived? Please, enlighten us as to the 'war crimes' Bush committed. (Remember, war crimes are under international law and the Geneva Conventions, so I will bring them in when you list them)

    You mention 'The eternal "echo" chamber of Right-Wing propaganda on the airwaves 24/7'... What would you call the 4 leftwing news channels on TV against one right-wing news channel? (All the channels do report news but all are becoming more and more commentary than actual news)

    Its easy to point fingers at your oponents in politics, but looking at it in a fair manner, you'd have to admit both parties are guilty of what you listed. (Individual actions vary but the crime remains)
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    I think it's crazy to say that Afghanistan attacked us. Hell, a number of the terrorists that day were from Saudi Arabia. We don't want to say that the Saudis attacked us because we want their oil. Afghanistan was a strange place where the govt. was not in control. They were occupied by the Taliban who were well armed. That doesn't equal Afghanistan attacking us. I don't think that country could organize anything outside of their own borders. They can't even take care of their own people or run a police force.
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    As far as 1/2 our population being "ditto-heads/ puppets of Rush Limbo" If that's the case then why couldn't they get the majority vote in the last two elections ? That kind of kills your point.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    RanmaMOJ Wrote: You mention 'The eternal "echo" chamber of Right-Wing propaganda on the airwaves 24/7'... What would you call the 4 leftwing news channels on TV against one right-wing news channel? (All the channels do report news but all are becoming more and more commentary than actual news)

    Its easy to point fingers at your oponents in politics, but looking at it in a fair manner, you'd have to admit both parties are guilty of what you listed. (Individual actions vary but the crime remains)
    I don't disagree with many points you made in your response, but I do take issue with the validity of the above argument. I challenge you to come up with specific instances where the media pushes leftist propaganda. I don't see any of the media challenging our representatives on either side of the aisle whatsoever about the real issues at hand. They allow our representatives to filibuster their responses until the commentator steps in and doesn't question them about anything that just came out of their mouths. It doesn't matter what the politician says and they are rarely forced to back up their talking points with fact based answers.

    The media, in my mind, has completely dropped the ball when it comes to informing the nation about anything. If anything, the media is center right to right. They don't force answers on our military industrial complex that eats up our nations budget. They don't force answers on why it is alright for major corporations to pay zero to negative taxes and how those same corporations have basically purchased our government. They don't force answers on the revolving door phenomena that perpetuates throughout our national government. They don't force answers on anything.

    So, I ask how any organization outside of MSNBC is leftist at all? What ideas do they push forward that liberals care deeply about? Programs for the poor and needy? A fair tax code? Social justice? The drug war and our unsustainable prison population? I have tried to wrack my brain and I can not come up with any organization other than the one who's motto is "lean forward" that comes close to being a liberal propaganda outlet.

    That might be because five corporations own almost all of the "news" media that Americans consume. GE (NBC), Newscorp (Fox and multiple right leaning newspapers), Disney (ABC), Time Warner (CNN), and CBS. These massive corporations have a lot to lose if liberal ideas are pushed too hard.
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    I agree with you about the media dropping the ball. As for the bias, look at what they reported under Bush and now under Obama. Fox News (which I have already agreed is right leaning) reported more positive than negative stories about Bush and now reports more negative than positive about Obama. CBS, CNN, ABC, and NBC (the last you mentioned) all reported more negative stories about Bush than positive and more positive than negative about Obama. Fox reported about the fact that American special forces found chemicals used to make pesticides or chemical weapons (essentially the same formula for either) in a military bunker. The others ignored it. CNN, CBS, ABC, and NBC were the ones who brought us the news about Halliburton's no-bid contract for the Iraq and Afghanistan war, without mentioning that Halliburton is the only company that could do it as quickly as was needed. Fox News only pointed out the logistics aspect after the other stations made it news for several days straight. To me that would indicate a bias towards liberal views by those companies. The bias in views can also be seen not in what they report, but what they don't report.
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    I don't know what "issue" to respond to first, there were so many arguments listed. But I maintain that most people know on this forum that I have ALWAYS done my research, and I do not post things that I have not researched. So there is plenty of proof available to anyone who "seriously" wants to check it out. (I really hate to waste my time re-hashing stuff that was already in the dead file).

    Here are some of the issues presented today:

    (1) I never did say anywhere or at anytime that Afghanistan attacked us. I said we had a WAR with Afghanistan for many years.

    (2) Bias in the media: Reagan got rid of the "Fairness Doctrine" which forced the news programs to give "equal time" to both sides of any argument, or equal time to each political party. Once that was abolished by Reagan (a Republican) it allowed those like Rushbo to come on the air 24/7 mostly unopposed, & he screened his callers to make sure that no liberal was allowed to speak. He has been on the radio for at least 29 years, nobody can get him off the air, although many have tried. They get rid of a sponsor or 2, but the wealthy Repubs always furnish a new sponsor. Rushbo's entire program is "attack" & usually no-holds barred. At least 90% of his rhetoric is pure lies, & or slander. After his wild success, there are many more clones of Rushbo on other radio stations. I used to know several names, but too busy to follow them all.

    (3) Nancy Pelosi is always attacked by right-wingers, as they have been brain-washed to do so. Nothing has ever been brought forth of any TRUTH against Nancy Pelosi. There are normal procedures & actions taken by any member of Congress that is perfectly legitimate, that may bring some favor to their state. That is part of their job, in case you did not know it. If they did not do that at all, they would soon be voted out of office. If you object to increase in minimum wages, then you are just following the GOP "talking points" & not caring if the average citizen in the USA starves to death. All Congressmen have investments & get some kickbacks. I don't know anything about the fishing industries, but their employees deserve representation just like anyone else. By the way, the biggest crooks in America have usually been the big corporations & large industries, because their extreme wealth leads to arrogance & illegitimate power (bribes, etc).

    (4) If you study the history of Saddam Hussein, he was a revolutionary, & there is some indication that he was helped into power by the United States CIA. Also, once he came to power, he did initiate a lot of reforms, including there was some kind of election & he WON. Some articles on Wikipedia indicate he was bringing higher education & more freedom gradually into their country. He was giving free health care & other perks.

    (5) Of course, Iraq did NOT have any WMD. Don't you watch the news? The UN was inspecting every inch of Iraq looking for WMD before the invasion, & found NONE. They were even allowed inside Saddam's personal palaces. Dan Rather of CBS news was over in Iraq giving a personal interview with Saddam 2 weeks BEFORE Shock & Awe (invasion) March 2003. After the illegal pre-emptive strike, (bombing attack) by BushCo, they STILL never found any true WMD. It was on all the news!! Where were YOU? This attack was unprecedented in US history, since it was the first time the US attacked any nation that had NEVER threatened us or attacked us first. In fact, just a few weeks before the bombing, Don Rumsfeld of BushCo was over shaking hands with Saddam over some arms or trade deals. Saddam had been one of our "best allies".

    (6)As to the awful invasion of Kuwait (by Saddam) -- it was all a glitch caused by Daddy Bush, when HE was president, & Saddam asked Bush if he could go annex Kuwait & make it a part of IRAQ again, since it had always been a territory of Iraq before, & Saddam needed the revenue from those oil wells to pay off some debt. The message was given to Bush's secretary of state (or some such position) - April Glaspie -- & she gave the signal to Saddam -- A-OK. Then immediately when Saddam proceeded to GO there, Bush went ballistic & sent US troops over there to stop the invasion. (Saddam taking his own territory back, with what he assumed was "permission" from Daddy Bush). That situation lasted only a month, & was soon forgotten by average citizens. One reason why Bush may have abruptly changed his mind about letting Saddam take over those oil wells in Kuwait, was because Daddy Bush "owned" a few of those oil wells (& may have suddenly realized he could lose them).

    (7) To my knowledge, when considering the "equality" of the 2 parties, it is the Democrats that most try to represent the majority of people, & look out for their Constitutional Rights. Which means Democrats are following the Founders' mandates most accurately. The early founders such as Thomas Paine advocated for "retirement pay" for citizens over the age of 50. And many other benefits. Thomas Jefferson thought they should give a "free" parcel of land to young citizen males when they became 21 yrs of age. And Jesus said that those who do not feed the hungry or give shelter to the homeless, will surely go to hell. (Matthew 25: 31-46). So it is not all a "socialist plot" as Limbo says, but a matter of principles & morals, going back to the Founders, and then even back much farther to Jesus himself. (Over 2,000 yrs ago).

    (8) It is not "equal" that Republicans are deliberately trying to "rig" elections in every way possible. It was illegal to stop the ballot count in Florida (by brother Jeb) so the election of 2000 had to be thrown into the Supreme Court, whose justices had just been appointed by Daddy Bush, a couple of years earlier. The next Bush (#43) election used Swift Boat liars to claim John Kerry had done something wrong in the Viet Nam War, when he had been a decorated hero. But NO, they had to "smear" him to get Bush, Jr elected, although "W" had been AWOL when he was in the Nat'l Guard, & lost his pilot's privileges due to flunking the drug test. His brother, Neil Bush was involved in robbing the Silverado savings & loan, a long time ago, but never went to jail. Other brother, Jeb Bush was helping "rig" the 2000 presidential election in FL. (great morality).

    (9) It is "illegal" and a "war crime" to bomb a nation that did not attack us. In fact Saddam had publicly asked on CBS TV only 2 weeks earlier for a Debate with Geo Bush, so they could each explain their positions on war. Saddam said he was against war & that Bush was FOR the war, & so Saddam said "let the whole world listen to this debate & make up their minds, as to who was telling the truth." (Bush just laughed that off), thus costing the USA $trillion$ of dollars, & thousands of lives. (nice going, Bushie). Plus losing our world respect & reputation.

    It is a "war crime" to bomb the infrastructure of a nation, such as the "power" & "water" of the civilian non-combatants. We bombed that in 2003, & it has never been fixed since then (11 yrs later). Only intermittently do they have power & water. I do not know of any instance in which we were attacked by Afghanistan. Are you referring to 9/11? The guys in the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center were all burned up in the rubble. But many believe 14 were from Saudi Arabia, one from Lebanon, 2 were from UAE, & 1 from Egypt. However, Condi Rice had told "W" that they were expecting an attack from Osama bin Laden, & she said that BEFORE that attack occurred. (She got that info from state dept files from the Clinton Admin). So, theoretically we had been warned. And Bush had been warned. But he was down at the Crawford Ranch watching his dog Barney chasing armadillos. And in a school classroom reading "My Pet Goat" to very young children. When the attack occurred.

    Another very odd thing, is that Osama bin Laden's family had invested in Geo "W"s Harken Energy & Arbusto Oil business in Texas. Why would those people invest in "W"s oil business in Texas? Was it just to gain favor with a potential future President? I also heard that Osama bin Laden had been recruited by the CIA, & given training, to go infiltrate Afghanistan & help us fight them. At the time, Daddy Bush may still have been head of the CIA. (And this all gets involved with the Bay of Pigs & the JFK assassination, later on). You need a VERY BIG CHESSBOARD to keep track of "all the moves" of these gigantic agencies at this disastrous point of our history. --- (But now it is my bedtime : )
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    Save your breath EF and move on. Arguing with kids who have no life experiences (other than the military and prison) have no idea what it's like to go out and work and live in the real world much less what life is really about.
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    Hi PGR: Thanks for the advice. There is so much history LOST in a few years, that our kids will never know. And yet THEY (when they vote) will be making big decisions on our behalf, causing great repercussions to us, & possibly the whole world. Sometimes I have the stupid idea that something we put out on the internet will reach a few of them, to help them realize what the hell is going on. But probably I am just dreaming ---
  • Center Left
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    EF,
    It was Ranma who said that Afghanistan attacked us. I disagreed.

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    Considering at the time the Taliban controlled 90% of Afghanistan at the time, including the capital. I'd say it is a fairly accurate statement. Even the UN states that the Taliban controlled Kabul (the capital of Afghanistan). http://www.un.org/News/dh/latest/afghan/un-afghan-history.shtml The 90% figure comes from Wikipedia, which in turn cites the CIA World Fact book. See also http://www.cfr.org/afghanistan/taliban-afghanistan/p10551 for more evidence that the Taliban ruled Afghanistan. I will quote for you... "In power for roughly five years the Taliban applied an austere form of Islamic law,..." also, "The Taliban was isolated long before the 9/11 attacks when only Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emerates recognized the extremist regime in Kabul." I know, you will point out that only those three countries recognized them as rulers of the country, but that means that it meets the requirements of Constitutive Theory, which defines a state as a state if, and only if, it is recognized as sovereign by other states. As was the case with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the UAE. It could also meet the declarative theory since it met the 4 requirements there, which are 1) its a defined territory, 2) has a permanent population, 3) a government, and 4) Capacity to enter relations with other states. The first three are self evident, the 4th comes into play when the UN had some of the leaders of the Taliban and the United Front try to work out an end to the civil war.
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    Terrorists in Afghanistan arranged and financed us being attacked. I agree with that but as I said previously, "The country Afghanistan" can't even take care of it's citizens or manage an effective police force. Obviously they can't control the terrorists that occupied their country. Did Afghanistan attack Pakistan ? We occupied and still do occupy Afghanistan and our drones and Seal Team 6 attacked inside of Pakistan. That seems to be the same to me. Something that you can't blame on the host country.