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  • Center Left
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    Marcus Smart - guard for Oklahoma State Univ. - will likely be suspended for his actions last night. He committed a foul and fell towards the stands. He got up angry and went into the stands and pushed a fan. This is crossing the line of what's acceptable. He suggests that the fan (who has a history of extremism) called him the N word. The league will investigate to see if any actions are taken towards the fan. The player was frustrated by a current losing streak. This has gone viral on the internet. Stephen A. Smith suggests a suspension would be called for. Desmond Mason who played for Okla. St. in 1996 - 2000 says that he was called the N word on a regular basis when playing in Texas. He said you have to get past that and play the game. This is most of what's being discussed on ESPN this morning. I suppose the T word will come up often. Richard Sherman says it's the new N word. Except in Texas where they seem to be fine with the old word.
  • Other Party
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    And this is the second time in the last few days that Smart was caught acting very un-smart during a game. He kicked a chair on the sideline, not a little toe tap, but a pretty good kick, during a game a few days ago, and even then people were speculating how THAT may negatively affect his draft status. And since draft position is worth millions, it was a valid concern. Now this incident seems much worse, so how much did THIS cost him?

    I do not doubt for a second that he was called the N-word, but that is no excuse. There is NEVER an excuse for hitting a fan no matter what the fan says about you, your mama, your race...etc. He should have called security and tried to have the fan removed.

    Yes he should be suspended and rightfully so, and if even Screamin A. Smith says so, then it was really bad.

    This guy is a thug (sorry, it seems to be true), and I would say that the fan is probably a thug also, and it's OK to call the fan a thug because he's white, but that's just the double standard world that we live in.

    This player stayed in school this year when he could have gone pro last year and be making millions right now in the NBA. It wasn't about the education, of course, it was to "work on his shot and become a better player" and lots of people were admiring him for not chasing the money as soon as possible. Now it looks as though he needs anger counseling more than anything else.

    And as for ..."the old word"... I have been to a whole lot of states and it's used in every one of them. Maybe in West Texas it is more widespread, but it is used in every single state.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    The lack of civility by fans is nothing new. But there are certain words or shout outs that when directed specifically to a certain athlete invoke a response, sometimes physical. Athletes need to be above that yes...but they are only human.
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    Schmidt I gree with what you say, but there is still NO EXCUSE EVER to hit a fan because of what a fan says.

    I, and maybe several of us on this forum may have done the same thing that Smart did, or even worse.

    But, if he can't control himself on the big stage he needs to get off the big stage until he CAN control himself.

    Anyone remember that great old movie M*A*S*H from about 40 years ago? In the football game a player goes crazy and hits an opposing player before the ball is snapped. After the player is calmed down his teammate asks him what happened. The player (black guy) says "He called me a coon". His teammate says "Man, that's an old pro trick, to try to get you thrown out of the game."

    Same thing here and the more times that Smart has out of control outbursts, the more others will try to call him names to get him to do it again. And why wouldn't they? Any weakness, even an inability to control ones temper is a weakness to be exploited.
  • Liberal
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    Schmidt Wrote: The lack of civility by fans is nothing new. But there are certain words or shout outs that when directed specifically to a certain athlete invoke a response, sometimes physical. Athletes need to be above that yes...but they are only human.
    Yes, they are only human.....who make millions of dollars and who signed contractual clauses on behavior while wearing that uniform. If a make millions of dollars playing a game..... you can call m anything you like. I'm laughing to the bank
  • Center Left
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_Z1lSGgUUQ

    48 seconds showing the act.

    L.A.,
    He's not making a dime yet. He's earning a free education because he's still in college, free team meals and free healthcare as well. Probably free rent - utilities too if the players have student housing.
    jamesn,
    His prospective draft spot went from number 2 to currently number 6. The draft being a long way off - that could go up or down.

    He did not hit anyone. He pushed the fan who's called the Texas Tech "Ultimate Fan"
    There aren't yet rules in place for referee's to kick a player out of a game for interacting with a fan. Also no rule for ejecting a fan for inappropriate behavior. I'm sure the facility can do so but not the referee's. These things will now be discussed to address any future situations.
  • Other Party
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    Tony you are right that ..."He's not making a dime yet."... Not legally, anyway. We do know that many college "student-athletes" make tons of money, free cars, women...there's lots of benefits given to big time college players, unofficially, of course. I don't know if Smart is receiving any or all of those benefits, but it would be foolish for us to rule it out.

    ..."He did not hit anyone."... That depends on your definition of the word "hit". Push, nudge, thrust, shove, drive, propel, hit, strike, club, batter, knock, smite, bump...any way you want to wordsmith it, Smart contacted the fan in an inappropriate manner. The fan "won" the confrontation, because the cameras caught Smart doing whatever you want to name what he did to the "fan". The "fan" probably caused it with inappropriate language, but right now Smart is guilty.

    Yes I think the ref's only have authority over the players and coaches, and the NCAA has (allegedly) no policy remove the fan, but the facility and their security people probably do and it does happen sometimes. Perhaps even to ..."Ultimate Fans"... I would not be surprised if this "fan" is a big contributer ($$) to the TT program, so they may decide to protect their interests.

    As far as his draft stock, I looked at a few projected 2014 draft sites and he seems to be in the top 10 in all of them. I think that could change this coming week, because all the sites I looked at were a few days and sometimes a few weeks old. This incident happened yesterday, so revisions to the rankings may be made, and soon. Even dropping one spot is money. The difference in salary for number 5 and number 15 or 20 could be enormous. Scouting reports talk about his "maturity" for staying in school and his "super competiveness" and I can think of some words and phrases which may be more accurate after this incident. How about immaturity, or unrestrained temper?

    3 game suspension is the rumor, and maybe that would be good for him.
  • Liberal
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    TJ Wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_Z1lSGgUUQ

    48 seconds showing the act.

    L.A.,
    He's not making a dime yet. He's earning a free education because he's still in college, free team meals and free healthcare as well. Probably free rent - utilities too if the players have student housing.
    jamesn,
    His prospective draft spot went from number 2 to currently number 6. The draft being a long way off - that could go up or down.

    He did not hit anyone. He pushed the fan who's called the Texas Tech "Ultimate Fan"
    There aren't yet rules in place for referee's to kick a player out of a game for interacting with a fan. Also no rule for ejecting a fan for inappropriate behavior. I'm sure the facility can do so but not the referee's. These things will now be discussed to address any future situations.
    Is todays economy..... that is a millionaire
  • Other Party
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    ...and the saga continues: local TV reports that the three game suspension is confirmed. He will sit out the next 3 games and be eligible to return against...Texas Tech, of course. This time the game will be at Oklahoma State and maybe, hopefully, the "Ultimate Fan" will not make the trip.

    The player has apologized to "the fan" and everyone else, so good for him.

    The "fan" has apologized, OK a statement was released saying that he apologized to the player and everybody else, so good for him. The fan also said that he called Smart "a piece of crap" and nothing racial. If that is true, it would be surprising that Smart would have that reaction to such a low grade insult.

    Maybe life can go on now...
  • Center Left
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    The Fan has stated that he will not attend any more games this season. He was said to have been a regular at home and at away games. I heard the apology (from Smart) a couple hours ago. I was glad the kid (19) had cooled off and realized the actions can effect many people.
  • Other Party
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    Tony the fan staying away is the best thing that he could do. He apologized, so now stay away and let the story die. Good for him.

    This morning I read the apology by Smart and part of what he said "This is not how I conduct myself" sounds great but is obviously incorrect. If he did not conduct himself this way, he would not be in the news and we would not be having this discussion. Maybe he meant to say that he does not NORMALLY conduct himself this way.

    His apology seemed genuine and I hope he meant it, but maybe it was all for show. Maybe he was just wanting to impress his prospective employers by giving a "heartfelt" apology. It could be just damage control to try to keep himself at the top of the draft, and protect his future earnings. $$$!!!

    This much we know: this is the second time in recent days that his on court antics have led to him making an apology. On January 25th he had a bad game and kicked a chair at courtside, and it made the news also, though not to the degree that THIS incident has. He apologized to his teammates for that one and now he apologized to just about everyone for THIS one.

    Sitting out three games may be good for him, and I hope he gets his act together.

    The fan denies making a racial slur and I haven't heard otherwise from the player. That makes the players actions look even worse.
  • Center Left
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    jamesn,
    The kid had initially said that he was called the N word. That has been refuted. The fan apparently called the kid a piece of crap. If it was he called him a piece of shit versus piece of crap - who knows. It's water under the bridge now. I'm glad it wasn't racism. There's far too much of that these days. It will be a part of Marcus Smarts portfolio from here forward. That which does not kill us only makes us stronger.

  • Other Party
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    Tony I heard that the N word was used and I heard it was not used. I heard that the N word was maybe used by a different person and the player thought it came from the fan in question. Who really knows?

    I hope the player has learned from this because he is likely to make millions in the NBA, but only if, and it's a big IF he can control his emotions. He will be called lots of things and has to be able to control himself. If he's in the NBA and puts his hands on a fan in the stands, he probably won't get 3 games, he may get half a season or more without pay. Maybe he should have a talk with Ron Artest/Metta World Peace.

    He now has a history of an altercation with a fan which is likely to make him more of a target from now on with opposing players, coaches, and fans. I hope he takes this incident and becomes a stronger person mentally.

    His future seems promising, but only if he can control himself.
  • Democrat
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    What I find stupid in the media was "Bob" on FOX "The Five" saying "I'd take the kid out in the parking lot and shoot him". I believe I heard "Kid" in reference to the player and not the spectator in the stands that initiated the act. I mean to have Fox have that on public, may mean Bob is gone on the "The Five". There's something in society that teaches no respect for anybody.

    I remember one of my sons soccer tournaments in Tulsa, OK, where we drove for five hours to play many different teams, some local, some not. This one team that occupied the opposite side of the field came in old beat up trucks and appeared to be drinking. When our team took the field they were saying the "N" word to young black kids on our team. We beat the socks off that team, but it was a nasty hearing the calls and with the local referee not calling out the parents or fans of the other team. Them good ole boys had their day ridiculing some fine young men on our soccer team. I'm glad we taught them how to play soccer. That was 15 years ago. America hasn't learned a lot, but we did elect a black President....good.

    Tulsa is not far from the Texas border, so it appears the same type of spectator continues to call out racist remarks on players in sports. The bad thing of this media event is it's sad America stills has ignorant racists and that Bob may be forced to leave Fox. Bob was one of the only one on that show I liked. He just showed me his true color............extreme red around the neck.
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    Amc ..."Tulsa is not far from the Texas border."... I guess it depends on your perspective. It's not exactly a border town, Tulsa is much closer to Kansas, and probably closer to Missouri and Arkansas than to Texas. Tulsa is in the northeastern portion Of Oklahoma.

    I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, though, because there are racists in every state. People use the "N" word everywhere, although it may be more prevelant, and accepted, in West Texas which is where this incident took place. When I first lived in California, I was kind of surprised at the overt racism I encountered there. I had the mistaken idea that it wouldn't be as bad there, but it was pretty much the same as everywhere else.

    If Bob said "take the kid out in the parking lot and shoot him" then maybe HE deserves a three game, I mean a three show suspension. He shouldn't even make a joke using that kind of language. In our overly politically correct world of 2014 he knows, or SHOULD know that he shouldn't say things like that.