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Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on evolution vs creationism

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    pr Wrote: It's sorta a joke Dutch - shows how dumb and easily mind controlled people are. I don't think the author believes in heaven or hell anymore than we do!
    Amen
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    There was one time in Philosophy class when we discussed "What is Reality"? When you come right down to it, the only way we can understand Reality is by our own brain. What sensory input we get from our own singular brain. To understand the world, we must go by what we perceive from what we see, hear, smell, feel, & imagine.

    So the exercise of brain function is to close your eyes & try to imagine a whole day or 2 without seeing. What do we learn about the world? It would all have to come from the sense of hearing, smelling, perceptual touch, & the brain's imagination (or interpretation).

    You have to be "serious" when you do this, -- allow your adult thoughts to rule, to get all the amazing results.

    One by one, mentally eliminate the other senses, Go through a whole day or two without hearing. What do we learn about the world this way?

    After going thru all the sensations we normally use as our "input" that tells us about the world, we finally reach the fact that our MAIN source of knowledge is our IMAGINATION. It interprets all the sights, sounds, feels (touch), & smells, & tells you what is going on.

    Then realize that if you were blind, deaf, lost your sense of smell, or touch, YOU would interpret the whole world through the power of your own imagination --- it would all be "in your own mind" --- since you had no REAL input from the "real world" -- IF it even exists!!

    Then go ONE STEP FURTHER. WHAT IF the Real World DOES NOT EXIST?? Maybe the whole enormous thing, Everything that we know or think we know, --- is purely our imagination, & there is really nothing else in the whole universe, but what WE have made up? Is there really a world out there? Are there really any people out there? Or did we simply imagine that there were? Maybe the only voices or Music we hear is only in our mind, & it does not actually exist? THEN, think - do WE actually exist? Maybe we are only one huge Mind, with no body at all?

    If you truly LET YOURSELF discover this final FACT, --- it is just mind-boggling. Then you think (maybe) that if you were one gigantic mind, who imagined the rest of the universe, but was alone out there, creating the universe as we thought of it, one planet after another. One world after another, one continent after another, all the trees, oceans, planets, sunshine, birds chirping etc. THEN we would be GOD. And we would realize that even if all powerful, we were ALONE. And would wish to create other beings to share this beautiful world/& universe with.

    But watching things unfold, it appeared that all beings we created on a planet only lived a short time & then DIED. And it was still very lonely, to see that all of that beautiful planet was only temporary. I want them to STAY & "remember me" -- their creator.

    But HOW TO DO THAT? Well, I could imagine a Resurrection from the dead, & I don't want all the evil ones to live forever, & keep on screwing up this new planet for all of us. So in the resurrection phase, ONLY THE GOOD, who pass a test, shall be born again. And that way, we will have a perfect planet, of all beautiful good things, & only share it with the best, who have tried hard to be good examples. Gee, I have just imagined HEAVEN. -- I might have to think of some extra things to add --- but Heck, I still have ETERNITY to do that.
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    eternal flame Wrote: There was one time in Philosophy class when we discussed "What is Reality"? When you come right down to it, the only way we can understand Reality is by our own brain. What sensory input we get from our own singular brain. To understand the world, we must go by what we perceive from what we see, hear, smell, feel, & imagine.

    So the exercise of brain function is to close your eyes & try to imagine a whole day or 2 without seeing. What do we learn about the world? It would all have to come from the sense of hearing, smelling, perceptual touch, & the brain's imagination (or interpretation).

    You have to be "serious" when you do this, -- allow your adult thoughts to rule, to get all the amazing results.

    One by one, mentally eliminate the other senses, Go through a whole day or two without hearing. What do we learn about the world this way?

    After going thru all the sensations we normally use as our "input" that tells us about the world, we finally reach the fact that our MAIN source of knowledge is our IMAGINATION. It interprets all the sights, sounds, feels (touch), & smells, & tells you what is going on.

    Then realize that if you were blind, deaf, lost your sense of smell, or touch, YOU would interpret the whole world through the power of your own imagination --- it would all be "in your own mind" --- since you had no REAL input from the "real world" -- IF it even exists!!

    Then go ONE STEP FURTHER. WHAT IF the Real World DOES NOT EXIST?? Maybe the whole enormous thing, Everything that we know or think we know, --- is purely our imagination, & there is really nothing else in the whole universe, but what WE have made up? Is there really a world out there? Are there really any people out there? Or did we simply imagine that there were? Maybe the only voices or Music we hear is only in our mind, & it does not actually exist? THEN, think - do WE actually exist? Maybe we are only one huge Mind, with no body at all?

    If you truly LET YOURSELF discover this final FACT, --- it is just mind-boggling. Then you think (maybe) that if you were one gigantic mind, who imagined the rest of the universe, but was alone out there, creating the universe as we thought of it, one planet after another. One world after another, one continent after another, all the trees, oceans, planets, sunshine, birds chirping etc. THEN we would be GOD. And we would realize that even if all powerful, we were ALONE. And would wish to create other beings to share this beautiful world/& universe with.

    But watching things unfold, it appeared that all beings we created on a planet only lived a short time & then DIED. And it was still very lonely, to see that all of that beautiful planet was only temporary. I want them to STAY & "remember me" -- their creator.

    But HOW TO DO THAT? Well, I could imagine a Resurrection from the dead, & I don't want all the evil ones to live forever, & keep on screwing up this new planet for all of us. So in the resurrection phase, ONLY THE GOOD, who pass a test, shall be born again. And that way, we will have a perfect planet, of all beautiful good things, & only share it with the best, who have tried hard to be good examples. Gee, I have just imagined HEAVEN. -- I might have to think of some extra things to add --- but Heck, I still have ETERNITY to do that.
    I guess you forgot to read my thread; HEAVEN does not exist! PROOF IT!!!! Resurrection does not exist either; only newborns replace the deceased; they may have the "genes" from their parents but are individuals.

    Herewith what I wrote: Think please.

    PGR, actually a poorly written piece; neither "hell" or "heaven" exists; "everything" including dead things stay on this globe; it is as simple as that. The only difference may be if an astronaut dies in space, then his remains will stay there. Nothing leaves a dead body; so "nothing" will stay "nothing" and can't go anywhere. I feel sorry for the believers that this "candy" is a total fake one. Let them ask any "doctor" or "scientist" if they have ever seen a so called "soul" leave a dead body; I guess you can't program "air" to contain all the brain data and personal info as well have a GPS steering to where to go, or has an energy sourse. Neither does "air" ; "soul" or "ghostly air" burn by itself or feel anything; it has no nerves or a brain who determines what the signal is; pain or something else. So what is the purpose of burning in "hell" if you don't feel pain because you no longer exist at all in any form whatsoever? ( Also of course the same applies for "heaven"; you know nothing you feel nothing; your dead brain and nerves stay behind; thus your "air" bubble does not contain this info for sure!!)
    So the answer is churches sell a lot of snake oil; to get power over the people.

    Your statement that people were "created" is wrong also; people came forth by evolution; "cell's, bacteria, virusses are more powerful then humans; it totally depends on how they come together and could determine a beginning or an end of life.
    But yeah if you are happy with what you belief; that is fine with me.
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    The whole article I wrote was discussing a PHILOSOPHY class I had decades ago. Where we were to think how dependent we all are on our "senses" (like seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching, & then perception of all those things). And then to eliminate each one of those, one by one, to finally realize that the WORLD is only the sum of our perceptions. At some point, you realize that we really have NO independent means to understand anything at all, about the world. ---- It is just a philosophical exercise for the mind. If you DO it right, it can really amaze you.
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    eternal flame Wrote: The whole article I wrote was discussing a PHILOSOPHY class I had decades ago. Where we were to think how dependent we all are on our "senses" (like seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching, & then perception of all those things). And then to eliminate each one of those, one by one, to finally realize that the WORLD is only the sum of our perceptions. At some point, you realize that we really have NO independent means to understand anything at all, about the world. ---- It is just a philosophical exercise for the mind. If you DO it right, it can really amaze you.
    Sure if you write about "philosophy" then that is also "human" analyses; what I tried to say is that all the things like "seeing...........etc. go away once you die; your eye balls stay here; your inner ear stays here; you won't smell because the sense nerve ends stay here; you can't touch anything, your arms stay here etc etc. So you can "imagine" anything if you like but reallity remains reallity; unless you can prove to me that your brains (which controls your whole body) and the data which it contains, in its complete form can be transferred to an unknown place without energy or a backup system.
    Also my "philosophy" is that my brain is "not programmed" not to feel, hear, talk, smell, move my arms head and legs, feel pain, absorb things in my surrounding etc etc. How do you think you can transfer all of these things without the actual alive body and brain itself ?
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